Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[devilalum]

I like the Earl Clark pick, does this proposal involve keeping him here?

NONE of the rumors involved him going anywhere.

 

[mojorizen7]

NONE of the rumors involved him going anywhere.

Thanks Devilalum

 

[Folster]

I've been stuck at work all night with only KTAR radio to keep me informed sporatically.
If possible could someone give me a brief on this supposed GS/SUNS trade?
I'd rather not read thru 80 posts of speculation from 6 hrs ago.
Please....

A couple hours prior to the draft word came down that Phoenix and Golden State were discussing a trade centered around Stoudemire and Beidrins. As the draft started ESPN reported the potential trade as Stoudemire for Beidrins, Wright, Belinelli, and the #7. Speculation grew as the #6 pick was announced as Johnny Flynn. According to KTAR the Suns war room erupted with cheers when Flynn was picked. Many assumed it meant that GS was picking for us at #7 and we would get Curry.

It seems as if GS is renegging now. Their GM has said that they are keeping him and that he was the guy they wanted all along. There have been reports that the Warriors want Amare extended prior to the trade and are perhaps balking at the amount he wants and they are trying to renegotiate the trade to keep Curry. Randolph has been absent from any of the rumored trades unfortunately.


Suns fans are pissed and think that Kerr is getting railroaded yet again. We are all in agreement that no Curry or Randolph = no Amare.

 

[cly2tw]

I think I'd rather have a Chicago package than a Curry-less/Randolph-less Golden State package. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't want either, but if I had to pick one...

Noah, Tyrus Thomas, filler, and the #16

or

Beidrins, Wright, and Belinelli

same here. position for position, the Chicago deal would be better, even though I don't like Tyrus at all.

 

[Sundance]

Ric Bucher's most recent Amare tweet:

For those who didn't watch the telecast - all freakin' 84 hours - the Amare trade is expected to get done after July 8, when FA period opens

From 45 minutes ago.

 

[mojorizen7]

A couple hours prior to the draft word came down that Phoenix and Golden State were discussing a trade centered around Stoudemire and Beidrins. As the draft started ESPN reported the potential trade as Stoudemire for Beidrins, Wright, Belinelli, and the #7. Speculation grew as the #6 pick was announced as Johnny Flynn. According to KTAR the Suns war room erupted with cheers when Flynn was picked. Many assumed it meant that GS was picking for us at #7 and we would get Curry.

It seems as if GS is renegging now. Their GM has said that they are keeping him and that he was the guy they wanted all along. There have been reports that the Warriors want Amare extended prior to the trade and are perhaps balking at the amount he wants and they are trying to renegotiate the trade to keep Curry. Randolph has been absent from any of the rumored trades unfortunately.


Suns fans are pissed and think that Kerr is getting railroaded yet again. We are all in agreement that no Curry or Randolph = no Amare.

Thanks Folster. Yeah, I liked the E. Clark pick alot at #14, then got confused about the GS deal thinking we were swapping #7(Curry) for #14(Clark) in addition to trading Amare for Beidrins/garbage etc..
You want Randolph included?
My head's spinning. It sounds to me like the SUNS still don't know WTF they're doing except that they're gonna build around a 36 yr old PG who can't guard anybody,dump salary,and expect to compete.
Missed you guys tonight btw.

 

[the_future23]

As long as we get Curry, Bean, and Wright I am happy. Throw in Buku and I am gonna be ecstatic.

 

[Mainstreet]

Perhaps the GS trade can't be completed until Wednesday per league rules and that is why it is hush, hush.

See article by Paul Coro dated June 25, 2009 from azcentral.

Golden State's selection of Davidson point guard Stephen Curry at No. 7 was likely made for the Suns as part of an Amaré Stoudemire trade that can't be completed until Wednesday. That is because Phoenix would be acquiring Warriors center Andris Biedrins, a base-year compensation player, as part of a Stoudemire deal that would include more Warriors players, possibly power forward Brandan Wright and/or shooting guard Marco Belinelli.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/06/25/20090625spt-sunsonline.html

 

[Michael]

Amare can't guard anyone, picks up pathetic fouls and becomes a non factor in many games. I'm done with the Amare love fest, dude's gotta go if we ever wanna see a championship.

And you don't have any hope that a defensive-minded center could cover some of this up?

 

[mojorizen7]

I even heard Azubuike's name brought up earlier in the night concerning this trade.
Nice player.

 

[Michael]

Well, both sides have to agree, of course. I suspect that Stoudemire would take a huge extension from the Suns if they offered it, but he might not. I certainly don't get the impression that he'd agree to a home-town discount.



NBA players need to be "in" their prime by 27, not "about to enter" it.

The first two players coming to my mind with regards to that statement: Steve Nash (hard to compare), Karl Malone (was a mega-athletic highlight-player and became a fantastic player with his mid-range jump-shot). Both of these guys had there best year well past the 27.

Not to some of us. If you compare video highlights of him pre- and post-surgery, there seems to be a pretty clear difference. And in any case, the pseudocartilage that microfracture creates is only a temporary fix. It isn't as durable as regular cartilage, and it is destined to break down.

The Suns' medical staff seems rather capable if bad comes to worse. I totally agree that his microfracture is a big concern, but I'd probably rather take the risk than giving up our best big man in history (ok, second best, Sir Charles...) for role-players.
I don't think you can win in the NBA without "star players" - no matter how deep your team is.

It's a tough call. If the Suns can't get good value for Stoudemire, they might as well keep him, at least for now.

Sounds good. If it doesn't work, trade him near the deadline. Or let him walk if he gets a better offer and use the cap room. With a good team still in place, we might actually interest a free agent to join the Suns.



(You forgot Dragic.) I agree, but we don't really know whether Wallace for Chandler is an option. Lots of rumors this time of year are bogus, and maybe that's one of them.

Good point. He showed some promises last year. Even better.

 

[jandaman]

Could be legality reasons, you dont want to be involved trading players when YOU CANT... so for that purpose... yeah, hopefully.. it goes through next week sometime...


Curry + Wright + Biedrins + Azuibuke is a GOOD trade for SUNS...

 

[arwillan]

Getting anything close to equal value for Amare at this point will be incredibly tough, especially considering they'll need a big in return.

 

[elindholm]

The first two players coming to my mind with regards to that statement: Steve Nash (hard to compare)

Definitely hard to compare.

Karl Malone (was a mega-athletic highlight-player and became a fantastic player with his mid-range jump-shot). Both of these guys had there best year well past the 27.

If you say so. Malone won his MVPs after age 27, but that was sort of by default during Jordan's first retirement. Statistically, Malone's peak was 1987-95, ages 24-32, with the very best years right in the middle of that band.

But in any case, Malone's game wasn't based on athleticism nearly so much as Stoudemire's. (That's part of the reason he was never hurt.) If the main thing you do is jump around like a spring chicken, it's silly to expect to keep your peak game into your mid-30s.

I don't think you can win in the NBA without "star players" - no matter how deep your team is.

No, definitely not. But you also can't win with a second-tier player chewing up 1/3 of your payroll.

 

[mojorizen7]

Could be legality reasons, you dont want to be involved trading players when YOU CANT... so for that purpose... yeah, hopefully.. it goes through next week sometime...


Curry + Wright + Biedrins + Azuibuke is a GOOD trade for SUNS...

Yes it is....I would have to agree.....but we've still got Steve Nash multitasking as our PG of the future/GM/head coach.
Sorry, just feel that we're moving out the wrong pillars.

 

[the_future23]

Coro posted a new article. Says the deal WILL NOT be made without Curry.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/06/25/20090625spt-sunsdraft.html

Mentions a

Curry + Beans + Wright + Bellinelli for Amare.

 

[dodie53]

sub azubuki for bellineli please

 

[Michael]

Coro posted a new article. Says the deal WILL NOT be made without Curry.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/06/25/20090625spt-sunsdraft.html

Mentions a

Curry + Beans + Wright + Bellinelli for Amare.

If I don't see Curry + Biedrins + Wright + xxx, I wouldn't agree to the deal. Amundson (as much as I like his hustle play) and Lopez as our starting 4 and 5...

 

[mojorizen7]

I don't mean to sound like a goober but according to the infamous ESPN trade machine the numbers aren't even close to adding up for:
Amare
for
Beidrins
Bellini
Wright
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mkyj9v

Am i missing something? Stephen Curry's rookie contract maybe?
If Azubuike is added it comes extremely close.
Elindholm....are you still awake? LOL

 

[binkar]

I think it has something to do with Beidrins numbers changing next Wednesday and that's what makes it all work.

 

[mojorizen7]

I think it has something to do with Beidrins numbers changing next Wednesday and that's what makes it all work.

Ok, you may be right on that.

 

[Michael]

Definitely hard to compare.



If you say so. Malone won his MVPs after age 27, but that was sort of by default during Jordan's first retirement. Statistically, Malone's peak was 1987-95, ages 24-32, with the very best years right in the middle of that band.

But in any case, Malone's game wasn't based on athleticism nearly so much as Stoudemire's. (That's part of the reason he was never hurt.) If the main thing you do is jump around like a spring chicken, it's silly to expect to keep your peak game into your mid-30s.



No, definitely not. But you also can't win with a second-tier player chewing up 1/3 of your payroll.

True. But I tend to disagree calling Amar'e "second-tier". If you look at how many max deals there are, I'd say Stoudemire belongs to the ones more deserving the max.
He is certainly not in the LeBron/Howard/Bryant- league, but there ain't too many big man I'd rather have on my team than Amar'e.

 

[KloD]

I don't mean to sound like a goober but according to the infamous ESPN trade machine the numbers aren't even close to adding up for:
Amare
for
Beidrins
Bellini
Wright
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mkyj9v

Am i missing something? Stephen Curry's rookie contract maybe?
If Azubuike is added it comes extremely close.
Elindholm....are you still awake? LOL

It's because Beidrins is still in his BYC year. Next week his number will be 9mil even. I've heard it ends July 1, but you can't sign until the 8th so I think that's the real date. Either way, if this trade is going to happen, it won't be for a week.. maybe two.

 

[cly2tw]

True. But I tend to disagree calling Amar'e "second-tier". If you look at how many max deals there are, I'd say Stoudemire belongs to the ones more deserving the max.
He is certainly not in the LeBron/Howard/Bryant- league, but there ain't too many big man I'd rather have on my team than Amar'e.

Agree. Given this, Amare with a max is a good trading asset if we choose so, unlike Lewis, barring injury problems.

 

[leclerc]

I think I'd be okay with

Amare for Biedrins, Randolph, Azubuike/Morrow/Wright
Amare for Biedrins, Curry, Azubuike (maybe)
Amare, Clark/Barbosa for Biedrins, Randolph, Curry, Azubuike/Morrow/Wright

Maybe we can throw in Jason Richardson some how? That would be killer. I really really want Randolph though...

Good time to learn how to spell Bie-drins and Azu-buike

I think Amare will play hard and put up amazing numbers next season so his trade value will probably increase from what it is now. I hope the little dudes in the front office stay calm!!