Rumor: Phx is considering offering Gordon max deal (4 years, $58 million)

[mojorizen7]

Gortat is so dependant on Nash, trade him before he gets exposed as the average center he is.

Every player who plays with Nash is dependant on Nash. Why trade the one guy who can actually play basketball in the paint?

 

[Joe Mama]

Lopez isn't terrible. Why doesn't someone compare him to every other #2 center in the league -- not PFs who play some backup center, but actual #2 centers -- and see how he fares.

Amen to that. Robin Lopez is a good backup center. I also expect him to keep improving as long as we can keep them healthy. Don't get me wrong. He's not going to be a star or anything like that, but he's at least a good center off the bench.

Every player who plays with Nash is dependant on Nash. Why trade the one guy who can actually play basketball in the paint?

I'm not sure I want to trade him unless we get something great in return, but I do understand where slin is saying. Gortat's strength is the pick and roll and he looked great running it with one of the best pick and roll point guards of all time for the last year. Whose value should be at an all-time high right now. I'll be shocked if he looks as good or better next season no matter who re-sign this summer. That said, I don't think his actual value is going to reflect exactly the season he just had because I'm sure about every GM out there knows that he's not going to look as good without Steve Nash. I seriously doubt people are beating down our door for Gortat. While every player was somewhat dependent on Steve Nash, Gortat was especially so.

Now somebody go find some stats for Gortat last year with/without Steve Nash in the game.

Joe

 

[AsUdUdE]

It would make sense if NO really will only do a S&T for Gordan to flip one or both picks we are getting from the Lakers to the Hornets and move on....

 

[Town Drunk]

David Aldridge is reporting that the Hornets will indeed match the Suns max offer to free agent shooting guard Eric Gordon.
Gordon said recently that his "heart is in Phoenix," but the Hornets are not prepared to let him get away. It remains to be seen if Gordon will ever be able to stay healthy for an entire season, as his games played number has declined each year, sinking to just nine of them last year due to knee and back injuries. In any case, there's a great chance Gordon will play for the Hornets again next season.
Related: Suns
Source: David Aldridge on Twitter
Jul 4 - 10:56 PM

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm not sure I want to trade him unless we get something great in return, but I do understand where slin is saying. Gortat's strength is the pick and roll and he looked great running it with one of the best pick and roll point guards of all time for the last year. Whose value should be at an all-time high right now. I'll be shocked if he looks as good or better next season no matter who re-sign this summer. That said, I don't think his actual value is going to reflect exactly the season he just had because I'm sure about every GM out there knows that he's not going to look as good without Steve Nash. I seriously doubt people are beating down our door for Gortat. While every player was somewhat dependent on Steve Nash, Gortat was especially so.

Now somebody go find some stats for Gortat last year with/without Steve Nash in the game.

Joe

We're actually in agreement here Joe. I expect Gortat to get moved....just not right now.

 

[jagu]

Only hope as a Suns fan is Kendall Marshall plays like a real PG. Other than that... it's pretty depressing times.

 

[Covert Rain]

Lopez isn't terrible. Why doesn't someone compare him to every other #2 center in the league -- not PFs who play some backup center, but actual #2 centers -- and see how he fares.

OK...but #2 centers are nothing more then meant to pop in grab a couple of quick fouls and give your starter a rest.

Lopez is that bad. He is terrible. One of the worst rebounders bar none for centers and guys his size. Ranked the 70th best rebounder and Ranked 62 in FG%. Does it get much worse?

He is completely replaceable with about any other backup stiff in the NBA.

We can only hope that Gordon accepting means we are out of the race for Dragic.

Paying 25M$ per year to a backcourt of 2 below allstar caliber players is just a stupid way to build a team. Even worse considering one guy is chronically injured and undersized and the other erratic and wants to be paid based on only the last 2 months of his 3-year career.

We would be better off taking the rest of our money elsewhere and not block Marshall's future with Dragic.

So, why the hell would you give up a legit center for a chronically injured, undersized and erratic player?

Stupid.

 

[SirStefan32]

OK...but #2 centers are nothing more then meant to pop in grab a couple of quick fouls and give your starter a rest.

Lopez is that bad. He is terrible. I have posted pages of stats on the guy. One of the worst rebounders bar none for centers and guys his size.

Right- all backup Centers are terrible. Most starting Centers are terrible. I agree that Lopez is terrible, but you have to accept that he is what he is (a backup center.)

 

[Covert Rain]

Right- all backup Centers are terrible. Most starting Centers are terrible. I agree that Lopez is terrible, but you have to accept that he is what he is (a backup center.)

Not a very good one at that. I am just saying even for a backup center he is bad and replaceable. There is no reason to go out of your way to resign the guy.

 

[SweetD]

Not a very good one at that. I am just saying even for a backup center he is bad and replaceable. There is no reason to go out of your way to resign the guy.

What other backup Centers are out there, that could come in and play in this system? Many of the Bigmen take years to develop, Lopez knows the system. Right now he is only going to make 4mil a year if no one offers him a contract. Or the Suns can get him to sign a 2-4 year deal for less per year. Would you have rather paid Asik?

 

[slinslin]

Now somebody go find some stats for Gortat last year with/without Steve Nash in the game.

Joe

I already posted that line in another thread a few days ago, it is on nba.com statscube.

Gortat shot 45% without Nash in the game, 55% with Nash in the game. He also pulled down 2 less rebounds per 36 minutes without Nash in the game and averaged only 2.6FTA per 36 without Nash compared to almost 5 with Nash.

Jared Dudley btw averaged almost the exact same numbers with or without Nash in the game.

 

[slinslin]

Every player who plays with Nash is dependant on Nash. Why trade the one guy who can actually play basketball in the paint?

Dudley put up the same numbers without Nash.

Gortat does not play basketball in the paint at all. He is bad in the post, he is bad at help defense. His offense was 80% pick and roll fed by Nash and the rest were medium range jumpers. Playing with his back to the baskets is not really in his repertoire.

 

[SweetD]

Dudley put up the same numbers without Nash.

Gortat does not play basketball in the paint at all. He is bad in the post, he is bad at help defense. His offense was 80% pick and roll fed by Nash and the rest were medium range jumpers. Playing with his back to the baskets is not really in his repertoire.

So who then? Someone that plays in the pain can't hit a mid range shot or play pick and roll?

 

[Cheesebeef]

What other backup Centers are out there, that could come in and play in this system? Many of the Bigmen take years to develop, Lopez knows the system.

what system? seriously, people keep referring to our system. can someone tell me what the hell it is?

 

[slinslin]

what system? seriously, people keep referring to our system. can someone tell me what the hell it is?

settings tons of picks and screens

 

[Griffin]

Someone suggested in an article that if NO can't convince Gordon to want to play there, they should demand Gortat, Marshall, and the Suns' unprotected future first-rounder in a S&T. That would make this a ridiculous trade for the Suns. They would be much better off forgetting about Gordon and signing Mayo.

I would say, anything more than the single Lakers/Heat first-rounder and maybe a second-round pick is too much. I would not trade them any players unless they want Childress, Warrick or Telfair.

 

[Bufalay]

what system? seriously, people keep referring to our system. can someone tell me what the hell it is?

This is the Suns' system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWjQ7nZTkI

 

[Phrazbit]

Lopez knowing the system is a reason to keep him? Wow... I cant imagine how bad he would be if he didnt know the system.

They wanna sign Lopez to a one year deal for a few mil, fine, but there is no reason to go out of our way to keep him. We've seen him in our "system" (or whats left of it) and he sucks.

Slinslin's continued obsession with dumping Gortat for beans slays me, even after commenting on how bad this team is going to be on the glass and with Gortat as the ONLY decent rebounder on the squad.

 

[JS22]

Gordon is a B+ player. I could stomach giving the max because we need something here to attract other players and the max is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. But there is no way we can justify giving him a max deal and sending assets to NOLA.

Exactly. The Gordon max is nothing like the JJ max. Hell, 5 years ago it would have been considered a pretty decent contract.

 

[Joe Mama]

Someone suggested in an article that if NO can't convince Gordon to want to play there, they should demand Gortat, Marshall, and the Suns' unprotected future first-rounder in a S&T. That would make this a ridiculous trade for the Suns. They would be much better off forgetting about Gordon and signing Mayo.

I would say, anything more than the single Lakers/Heat first-rounder and maybe a second-round pick is too much. I would not trade them any players unless they want Childress, Warrick or Telfair.

I've been threatening to give up on this team quite often lately, but I really might do it if they gave up anything like that package for Eric Gordon. I don't want him in the first place but if they give anything more than the 2013 Lakers pick I will be livid.

Joe

 

[Bufalay]

Exactly. The Gordon max is nothing like the JJ max. Hell, 5 years ago it would have been considered a pretty decent contract.

~5 years ago the Suns refused to give JJ that same contract.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Someone suggested in an article that if NO can't convince Gordon to want to play there, they should demand Gortat, Marshall, and the Suns' unprotected future first-rounder in a S&T. That would make this a ridiculous trade for the Suns. They would be much better off forgetting about Gordon and signing Mayo.

I would say, anything more than the single Lakers/Heat first-rounder and maybe a second-round pick is too much. I would not trade them any players unless they want Childress, Warrick or Telfair.

This article states that NO can't do a sign and trade for Gordon since he is a restricted FA. Either they match, or he walks with nothing in return.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/07/under_nba_rules_new_orleans_ho.html

The New Orleans Hornets will have to either match the Phoenix Suns' four-year, $58 million contract offer to Eric Gordon or let him go without receiving compensation. Under NBA rules, the New Orleans Hornets are not permitted to work out a sign-and-trade deal with the Suns because Gordon is a restricted free agent.
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Gordon, 23, agreed to Suns' offer late Tuesday night and said in a prepared statement released by his agent, Rob Pelinka, that his heart is in Phoenix. Gordon is expected to sign the Suns' offer on July 11 and the Hornets will have three days to match. Sources say the Hornets will match the Suns' offer. Hornets Coach Monty Williams said Gordon is their best player on the roster.

So, does anyone here honestly think NO is going to let their best player walk?

 

[slinslin]

That article is wrong.

The Suns can't sign and trade Brooks because he did not play for them last year. Gordon played for New Orleans.

The Hornets can't sign and trade him once he signed our offer sheet.

Also after matching that offer sheet they can't trade him for a full year to anyone I think.

 

[95pro]

aren't signings until the 11th?

 

[SunsTzu]

aren't signings until the 11th?

Yes, all that has happened so far is verbal agreements. So it's theoretical the Suns could get Salmons'd out of any or all their free agents(this would be the best case scenario for me but has basically 0% chance of happening).