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[slinslin]

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He doesn't look as skinny as I though, maybe I am wrong for writing him off as a sure bust. I guess I won't be disappointed if the Suns risk a pick on him but not really excited either.

 

[jenna2891]

 

[pokerface]

What do you know about him to write him off as a bust?

 

[slinslin]

What do you know about him to write him off as a bust?

That he is pretty much a nobody even where he is playing now. A feeling... What about Soumalia Samaka, Mamadou N'Diaye etc etc?

 

[slinslin]

He is averaging 4 ppg 5rpg 1bpg 12mpg in the Belgian league doesn't he? I can't see how that translates into being a NBA player.

 

[Gaddabout]

He weighed in at approximately 240 lbs. In this offense, that's about right for a 7-footer, if just on the slim side of things.

I still don't know what the Suns would see in a center with zero perimeter skills and questionable hands. Sene would have to be on the roster this year, so the only place for him to develop would be in practice.

If the Suns are really interested in him, I can only assume they've seen something very unique that's not listed in the public scouting reports. My personal guess, based on how the Suns have operated since Colangelo took ownership, is it's a feign of interest to possibly push another player they really like their direction. Sefalosha? He makes much more sense, considering he's like a shorter Diaw.

 

[slinslin]

If he was there at #27 I would take a chance

If we got a high lottery pick only Aldridge should be an option for us really although Marcus Williams, Brandon Roy, Tyrus Thomas might make sense as well.

If we got a pick in the 10-16 range I would not take Sene. Carney, Rondo, Farmar, Rodriguez, Brewer, Armstrong, O'Bryant, Simmons, Sefolosha would be options.

At #21 I think there will be Farmar, Rodriguez or Rondo on the board and maybe Armstrong. I wouldn't pick Sene over them.

At #27 I would take the risk but I have logged in James White as my pick at #27. Maybe even at #21.

 

[SunsTzu]

I haven't seen Sene play even in short clips but the thing I'm worried about with him is when listing his strengths it's basically all physical attributes and when listing his weaknesses it's all basketball skills. I like the fact that his coaching staff says he's really motivated, hard working and coachable but I would really prefer an actual basketball player.

 

[devilalum]

If he was there at #27 I would take a chance

If we got a high lottery pick only Aldridge should be an option for us really although Marcus Williams, Brandon Roy, Tyrus Thomas might make sense as well.

If we got a pick in the 10-16 range I would not take Sene. Carney, Rondo, Farmar, Rodriguez, Brewer, Armstrong, O'Bryant, Simmons, Sefolosha would be options.

At #21 I think there will be Farmar, Rodriguez or Rondo on the board and maybe Armstrong. I wouldn't pick Sene over them.

At #27 I would take the risk but I have logged in James White as my pick at #27. Maybe even at #21.

The Suns will not pick at 21 and 27. No way! Not gonna happen.

 

[NastyOne]

I haven't seen Sene play even in short clips but the thing I'm worried about with him is when listing his strengths it's basically all physical attributes and when listing his weaknesses it's all basketball skills. I like the fact that his coaching staff says he's really motivated, hard working and coachable but I would really prefer an actual basketball player.

Same was said about Amare coming out of HighSchool.

You can't teach athletic ability and size, but if the player is willing to learn you can teach him the fundamentals of basketball.And the Suns have some great teachers on their coaching staff.

But still the big difference between him and those other african centers is they were tall stiffs, but everything people are saying about him is that he has jaw dropping physical and athletic attributes.

We could just throw him in the NBDL for a year and let him develope.

 

[Gaddabout]

We could just throw him in the NBDL for a year and let him develope.

His salary, although minimal in comparison to others, would pretty much demand he perform on the NBA roster right now. The NBDL is the home of second-round picks and undrafted rookies (and at least one former construction worker) -- guys who aren't going to cost you a position on your depth chart because of the salary cap.

 

[Phill11]

He is averaging 4 ppg 5rpg 1bpg 12mpg in the Belgian league doesn't he? I can't see how that translates into being a NBA player.

He's only playing 12 minutes a game. Maybe if he had more consistent minutes he could be a 15 PPG, 12 RPG, 2 BPG kinda guy. (That's in the Belgian league)

He's got the body and height to work with but I can't see him fitting into the Suns system. Anyone know anything about his speed?

 

[SunsTzu]

Again I haven't seen this guy play at all and it's possible the scouting reports are wrong. I did see Amare play some before entering the draft and thought his offense was greatly underrated, especially his ball handling and ability to get his own shot. Amare also dominated 3 guys who were drafted in the top 5the year before.

Last year Sene played 12mpg in a Belgain league I'd never heard of before, when Amare was his age he won NBA ROY.

Big difference between him and those other african centers is they were tall stiffs

Which guys do you mean? I don't recall N'Diaye or Cisse bombing out because they were stiffs, they just weren't basketball players.

Having not seen Sene play I don't see how anyone can be for or against him. Though all indications are the Suns are looking for someone who can come in and contribute and that doesn't sound like Sene.

 

[NastyOne]

Jazz Article on Sene

http://story.utahindependent.com/p.x/ct/9/id/a1ecfdde1cf511be/cid/bcecd7f88c90b7a3/

Seems like they may be willing to use the 14th pick on him.

I really hope they pass on him, cause with his size and quickness hes going to be the best shotblocker in the NBA as he gets used to his body and the NBA.

in 5 years when he turns 24 years old, i can see him averaging 10ppg/12rpg/4bpg.

Whatever team that gets him just needs to teach him how to use his body and athletic ability to dominate games on defense.Cause if the teaching is there he will learn, cause all the reports say that he has a Amare like work ethic.

Could be another Dikembe Mutombo when all is said and done.

 

[SunsTzu]

He's got the body and height to work with but I can't see him fitting into the Suns system. Anyone know anything about his speed?

His body is imperssive and it looks like he could add quite a bit of muscle without slowing down much. He ran 3.38 in 3/4 court sprint which is pretty fast for a guy over 6'10. His lane agility was one of the worst at the workouts though. I remember reading a few years back the Suns have their own type of speed and agility tests though so who knows how he did on those.

 

[NastyOne]

Again I haven't seen this guy play at all and it's possible the scouting reports are wrong. I did see Amare play some before entering the draft and thought his offense was greatly underrated, especially his ball handling and ability to get his own shot. Amare also dominated 3 guys who were drafted in the top 5the year before.

Last year Sene played 12mpg in a Belgain league I'd never heard of before, when Amare was his age he won NBA ROY.



Which guys do you mean? I don't recall N'Diaye or Cisse bombing out because they were stiffs, they just weren't basketball players.

Having not seen Sene play I don't see how anyone can be for or against him. Though all indications are the Suns are looking for someone who can come in and contribute and that doesn't sound like Sene.

Reports are that Sene is 19years old, And Amare left highschool late and started the seaon at 19years old but turned 20yo during the season when he won ROY.

And guys like Diop,N'Diaye,Petro,MBenga,Badiane and many others were all smaller than Sene and never were scouted as having jaw dropping athletic abilities(Except Badiane), plus they all had questionable work ethics.

The Last one to be mentioned with such high praise was Samuel Dalembert and hes doing pretty damn good in Phiily.

Look at Dalemberts draft profile

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/samueldalembert.htm

Very similar to Sene's.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

His salary, although minimal in comparison to others, would pretty much demand he perform on the NBA roster right now. The NBDL is the home of second-round picks and undrafted rookies (and at least one former construction worker) -- guys who aren't going to cost you a position on your depth chart because of the salary cap.

that's not accurate. gerald green, a first round selection last year, spent time in the nbdl.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Reports are that Sene is 19years old, And Amare left highschool late and started the seaon at 19years old but turned 20yo during the season when he won ROY.

And guys like Diop,N'Diaye,Petro,MBenga,Badiane and many others were all smaller than Sene and never were scouted as having jaw dropping athletic abilities(Except Badiane), plus they all had questionable work ethics.

The Last one to be mentioned with such high praise was Samuel Dalembert and hes doing pretty damn good in Phiily.

Look at Dalemberts draft profile

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/samueldalembert.htm

Very similar to Sene's.

dalembert also played bigtime division one college hoops ('nova i think). that makes a tremendous difference.

 

[NastyOne]

dalembert also played bigtime division one college hoops ('nova i think). that makes a tremendous difference.

He played 2 years at Seton Hall.

But still, its very rare to find someone this size with his great athletic ability and top notch work ethic.

N'diaye: Great size, decent athlete, Poor work ethic

Cisse: Small and not a good athlete

Samake: Great size but poor athlete and very poor work ehtic

Diop: Lazy, decent athlete with size

MBenga: ^^^

Badiane: I was hyped with this kid, but he just didnt have the head for the game and it killed his draft stock.Hasnt even played a minute in the NBA and hes very talented.

All of the above have something lacking in them, but Sene has the athletic ability and size to succeed.And the best part is his will to try and get better all the time.That is the main thing scouts are talking about with him.

You don't find that in many african prospects.

 

[SunsTzu]

Actually reports are Sene just turned 20 but he could be as old as 23. I'd trade the rights to Sene for Petro in a second and I don't get how you can say he lacks jaw dropping physical attributes he also is bigger than Sene. Petro also has a very nice offensive game to go with his rebounding and defensive potential, so much so the Sonics plan on giving him time at PF next year.

Diop's profile:

Strengths: Sagana Diop is a very athletic big man. he's close to 300 pounds and runs the floor like a small forward. he's very fast. coming from senegal, africa, he's only been playing competitive basketball for a few years so he figures to get a lot better. right now his best asset is his defense. he can hold opposing centers virtually scoreless with his smothering style of defense. he is a very good shot blocker, and can also help out and block other opposing players shots

Without seeing him play I don't see how you can make predictions one way or another about him. You can't go just off write-ups because thats how you get things like Amare=Ben Wallace or Skita=KG+Dirk. The guy who runs draftexpress says he has 8min of video on Sene and while thats pretty limited I would be intrested in seeing it.

 

[NastyOne]

Actually reports are Sene just turned 20 but he could be as old as 23. I'd trade the rights to Sene for Petro in a second and I don't get how you can say he lacks jaw dropping physical attributes he also is bigger than Sene. Petro also has a very nice offensive game to go with his rebounding and defensive potential, so much so the Sonics plan on giving him time at PF next year.

Diop's profile:


Without seeing him play I don't see how you can make predictions one way or another about him. You can't go just off write-ups because thats how you get things like Amare=Ben Wallace or Skita=KG+Dirk. The guy who runs draftexpress says he has 8min of video on Sene and while thats pretty limited I would be intrested in seeing it.

He did play at the 2006 Nike hoop Summit where he dominated on defense with 9 blocks.

And with most of these african prospects the main thing is their work ethic and if they have the head for the game.

Most of them are very gifted athletes, but lack the mental aspect cause either they're stupid or lazy, but everyone that has seen Sene or talked with him love his passion for the game and work ethic.

Thats the reason i want him, the great athletic ability and 7-9 wingspan is a bonus

 

[panfolk]

My only concern is whether he could catch a pass better than Burke. Otherwise I say draft him in the 20s but don't trade up as the only player I really want them to trade up fpr is Aldridge.

 

[Gaddabout]

that's not accurate. gerald green, a first round selection last year, spent time in the nbdl.

I didn't say there weren't exceptions, but sending Green to the NBDL was not part of the plan. He was sent there mid-season after a disappointing start, and was bounced back and forth a couple of times because they couldn't always find minutes for him in the rotation until the season was already stale. This was a guy who drew comparisons to Tracy McGrady and he still couldn't break into the top 7 or 8 players on a mediocre team.

No team spends a first-round pick that comes with a guaranteed seven-figure salary to play in the NBDL. He counts against the cap, and for the Suns, it's seven figures that might be used to bolster a weak bench on a team with championship aspirations.

If the Suns do keep a draft pick, I'm certain they are looking for someone who can contribute at least a few minutes right now.

 

[SunsTzu]

DX posted the clip of him: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1358

You have to take a highlight reel with a grain of salt but looking past the plays on the ball he made I was impressed with his hustle and agressiveness. Looks like he learned to set picks by watching Jake Voskhul though.

I remain skeptical, though his coach saying his learning curve is sharp is encouraging(though again he could just be trying to increase his profile in hopes of attracting others to his club).

Edit- Says he is working out for the Suns on the 22nd, hope they put some clips on the site after the workout.

 

[panfolk]

Hoopshype says he already worked out for the Suns on the 9th. He will be the only call back. Smokescreen? Who knows. Anyways, after watching the video and seeing how he can run and block I don't see how him operating on the baseline would disrupt Amare from the elbow that much. Those of you with better analysis please show me the err of my ways. I'm guessing he'd get plenty of rebounds based on length and athleticism alone.

Honestly, aside from the goaltending, he didn't look as raw as I expected and I have been in favor of drafting him all along. And now I am pretty sure I'd be happy with them trading up to get him (as long as they then trade for a second round pick to get Halperin).