SHUT UP, Kurt

[Cheesebeef]

NO Kody. WE are the best teamin the NFL. When, we play our game, and, don't make stupid mistakes. As we certainly did on Special team coverage and tackling.

since we continually make those mistakes I think it's a bit of a stretch to say "we are the best team in the NFL." Most playoff teams when they play their game and don't make stupid mistakes are unbeatable, difference is so far this season, there only looks like one team who's able to do that week in and week out - the Giants.

 

[jw7]

DVL, I think everyone here respects your opinion given how much of a fan you are. We just want to find a link that you are referencing to better understand your frustration.

This is the only one from the Republic that I found. Is it something else?

 

[jstadvl]

Sorry Moke, the numbers are great. But WHY? Is it K.W. or a great receiving corps?
My only point, to all of this, is any time it doesn't go right (Win), Warner does not pony up and take any responsibility. BUT, have a good game,(thanks to a very superior supporting cast), and he's all about him.
Sorry y'all, maybe it just happens so much, it finally got under my skin.
Just look at the whole picture, including the running game. He wouldn't even be in the MVP picture, if it were any other team. (please put as abysmal as we've previously been)
Is he working the O? When it goes his way. Sometimes, he's a deer in headlights. IMHO, that's unacceptable, without taking ownership.
Which, IMHO, he did not, in his latest "TREE" interview.

 

[moklerman]

sure, you can throw in those "dropped TD passes" even though one of them was knocked out of Fitz's hand on a great play by the DB, but you also fail to mention that one of his TDs was a tipped pass/broken play that Boldin stole out of the air and then bowled over a couple guys to score and that G-Men dropped at least two other picks. Playing the what-if game only counts if you count the positive and negative what-ifs and in the course of a game, they usually balance out. Your stats are usually indicative of how you've played.

I agree but I don't think much balanced out for Warner in this game. He'll get 'em back down the line but the bounces didn't go the Cardinals way on this day in many aspects. My point was that it's easy to pick two plays that can change the whole perception of the conversation.

I would argue that DB's are constantly dropping "sure" interceptions while Fitz rarely does so with two hands on the ball standing in the end zone.

 

[Mulli]

Another game tomorrow. Why not discuss that one?

 

[jstadvl]

Beef, exactly my popint. The difference is, when the leaders of, so called elite teams, lose, they take he resposibility. Warner does not, and Whiz, rides with it. Scarey, IMO.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Beef, exactly my popint. The difference is, when the leaders of, so called elite teams, lose, they take he resposibility. Warner does not, and Whiz, rides with it. Scarey, IMO.

now I understand what you're saying.

 

[moklerman]

...and he's all about him.

This seems inaccurate to me but I don't have the quotes to back it up. I do think that Warner has commented on things in a way that acknowledges the perception that he was washed up. But I don't think he's ever come across as all of this is just about him.

Even the Bertrand Berry show had him talking about the stat's and accolades being secondary to winning games and more to the point championships. He's called Q, multiple times, the leader of the team. He's admitted that he had a lot of work to do to try and overcome his shortcomings, etc.

His vanity will peak out every once in a while but I think it might actually be pride. He's got a lot to be proud of and I think he gets frustrated about having to defend his abilities/game.

I don't know, I thought that he'd been doing pretty good as far as saying and doing the right things in the press. Maybe I missed something.

 

[jstadvl]

Bob, sorry, it was MY reading of his quotes in the republic today. And, what I've heard all year long. Granted, the game planning was confusing. Clancy didn't pour it on. The offensive game calling was abysmal. But, if Kurt is going to be "the man", then quit the excusing of yourself, take the blame for stupid mistakes, and THEN, move on.
Lead by example, "OH Captain, my captain". The others will follow in suit,. anmd play beyond anyone's expectations or hopes.
No one can deny, the fumble and INT. were most inopportune. Not one mention opf them. They were both HIS fault.
does that take away from the rest of his year? Of course not. However, didn't anyone see a step backwards Sun.? It should have been a step UP!
As for the D. How admirable to keep it that close when your defending from your own turf most of the day.l

 

[moklerman]

“You can’t beat yourself up every week,” quarterback Kurt Warner said. “You have to take something from it and build off of it.”

Found this quote on the official site from the various write-up's on the Giants game. Maybe it will help in this conversation.


EDIT: Jstadvl, would you mind posting a link to the Republic article. I went to the site but have no idea which one you are referencing.

 

[slanidrac16]

In this game, players need to pick each other up because nobody is going to be perfect. Warner has picked up his teammates quite a bit this year.

I think Warner was pressured more last Sunday than in any game this year. He still trhew for over 300 yards, 1 td, 1 pick, and 1 fumble. Yes, we could have done without 1 of those turnovers , but Sundays loss fall directly on the shoulders of the special teams.

 

[jstadvl]

Moke. I really have alot of respect and admiration for his talent. But, he has been out to prove, ever since signing, that he is better than anyone else we have. Proud, yes, we ALL should be, of ourselves. But, part of pride, is humility, IMO, he has not shown that, in losses. His Q comments? Take into consideration, when and where they were made.
Look, I like Warner. I think he's doing a great job. But, when you blow it, and you know you blew it, pony up.
That's my point.

 

[moklerman]

Look, I like Warner. I think he's doing a great job. But, when you blow it, and you know you blew it, pony up.
That's my point.

I guess it depends on one's definition of "blowing it" then. I'm sure he's aware that he made a couple of mistakes but I'm not sure what would be appropriate "pony'ing up".

I don't know if you saw my last request to provide a link to the Republic article but I'd like to see what you're reading and see what my perception of it is.

But, as a disclaimer, I agree that Warner can say the wrong things at times and he gets a little high on faith and praise when things are going good but I didn't think that was the case this year or that his comments were above the team in nature.

 

[jstadvl]

I'm not really good at that. In todays Rep. And possibly, even a partial interview.
I do apologize. Lapses happen more often than I'd like. I reserve, the personal right, not to explain why, until the time is correct for all of you. I promise, I will, at that point.
I respect all of you. I know WE ARE THE RED SEA RISING together.
DVL

 

[azsouthendzone]

Yep, Jstadvl has earned the right to post such things if he wants to without people getting all crazy.

Haha, I jumped on late. I respectfully disagree with the basis of this thread.

 

[moklerman]

"You have to leave this game saying, 'I know we made some mistakes, but if we eliminate those mistakes and play our game, we can play with anyone in the league,' " quarterback Kurt Warner said.

"I know how hard it is to throw 50 times a game," Warner said. "It's tough to do against good football teams and not have turnovers."

Are these the quotes, Jstadvl?

 

[jstadvl]

Yes. But, be more specific Kurt. YOUR mistakes, were considerably untimely. The special team mistakes were an atrocitiy.
But, think back to every interview. I know it's hard, especially for me. I just don't ever hear him taking the burden for lapses. HE CA'NT do that now. Get rid of it, tuyck it, Play smart. Don't think just because you have thje best receiving corps in football, that you don't have to think anmd feel. like a rook sometimes.
WOW! This is the longest thread I've been on for yuears. I hope I've helped y'all to hthink a bit. You all, have certainly made me do so.
Oh, Mulli and Endzone, please feel as free as you'd to get as crazy as you like. NOT disrespectfull.
Peace
DVL

 

[jstadvl]

OH yeah Moke, I believe I stated earlier, that IMO we are the best team in the NFL. IF we eliminate mistakes, and can avoid injury.
Hood would have made a big ifference in that game, if at full speed.

 

[moklerman]

I guess I would have to re-read some of his quotes from games where he was the literal cause of the loss, a la the Rams game a couple of years ago. The above quotes just sound like "player speak" to me. I guess he could have fallen on his proverbial sword and taken responsibility for the loss like Brady Quinn a couple of weeks ago but I really don't think that's what Whis wants as an overall approach.

Talk team and learn from the mistakes seems more on point than making statements about "I cost the team" or whatever.

The best team in the NFL might be a little lofty but the Cardinals certainly have a chance to beat any team in the league right now. Even on an off day they stood toe-to-toe with the reigning champs. Not bad at all.

 

[jstadvl]

Take away the short field, all day long, and the untimely mistakes, and we crush the Giants.
Agree with the "team" attitude and the "we do this together" theme. There are times though, when the leader of the team MUST take his responsibilty. I just don't see it in him.
Trust me when I say, I know he will lead us to the division title. But,. his leadership must be shown, in losing as well as winning.
Let us not forget, if it weren't for the weapons he has, he'd be close to through.
Let's get on the same page. GO CARDS! The division is ours tomorrow night.

 

[MrYeahBut]

A small item to add to DVL's point. I just listened to a clip from Warner on Total Access talking about how 'tough' it is to play on Thurs, travel across country, short prep time, etc, etc.

I appreciate what Kurt has done to help this team, but there is just some whiney/snivel tone to his remarks sometimes that also rub me the wrong way.

Dude, just suck it up. All of us work for a living. There are days we feel like crap and don't want to do it, but we do it without crying our butts off about how tough everything is.

JMHO

 

[Cheesebeef]

Take away the short field, all day long, and the untimely mistakes, and we crush the Giants.

couldn't you say the same thing about the Giants? They didn't exactly play a great game either. They had their greatest strength taken away (the run - with their best RB on the bench), they had 9 penalities, gave up 1 really long KR to their 40, then had to kickoff from their own 20, giving up another KR to their 48 and they were down their best WR and Fred Robbins went out of the game as well... and they still beat us in our house without ever having faced one drive where we could have tied or taken the lead in the second half.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Take away the short field, all day long, and the untimely mistakes, and we crush the Giants.
Agree with the "team" attitude and the "we do this together" theme. There are times though, when the leader of the team MUST take his responsibilty. I just don't see it in him.
Trust me when I say, I know he will lead us to the division title. But,. his leadership must be shown, in losing as well as winning.
Let us not forget, if it weren't for the weapons he has, he'd be close to through.
Let's get on the same page. GO CARDS! The division is ours tomorrow night.

Dude, you are attacking Warner for being a "all about me" guy? Someone who can't take on his share of responsibility and accountability?
Honestly, when have you ever hear anyone, anywhere - players, coaches or commentators, ever make such a claim?
To suggest you are offbase here would be to suggest Q & Fitz are only having Pro Bowl seasons because of Kurt Warner...

 

[jstadvl]

Beef, you have a point. But, I still think we had this game. Anyone watch Kurt's body language(if there is such a thing)? Plain defeat, head down, confused. IF, he can audible, which I believe he himself has said, call something way different. Even if it doesn't work, it makes them think.
Next, Q, Fitz, Breaston, Urban, Could make my mom look good.
Look, I'm not saying, I've got this nailed. He just doesn't sound right. Let me ask you something. You go to work. The boss, your immediate boss, makes a call for some odd job, ok? It goes wrong, not terribly, but bad enough. When he explains it, he blames circumstances, not the right place right time. Do you have more respect and try harder for him, or the guy who ponies up and says; it had alot to do with my mistakes. If I had done some things different, the crew would have had a better chance of getting the job done. See my point? I'm not blaming Kurt for all of our woes last game, he's not stepping up though.
Look, I honestly believe we're going to win with him. I'm just saying, he shouldn't be making some of those mistakes, in a game like that, and when he does, admit it.
didn't mean to cause such a division amongst us. Sorry y'all. I just think he's better than what I've heard him say. AND I think this team is as good as any in the NFL.
Your an MVP QB, exploit their weaknesses. When you don't, if you have the reigns, it's on you.
Very good food for thought by all. Thanks.
Happy Thanksgiving and I'm sure, I'll be eating some humble pie when we clinch tomorrow night.
Peace,
DVL

 

[Rats]

Happy Thanksgiving DVL...Got to roll with the boys that got ya there...Kurt Warner and the Weapons of Mass Destruction. Playoff time after 10 years. Didn't see this coming. He really has only had a couple of bad games this year and some throws he makes have your jaw dropping. Without him I don't think this O would be near as good with no running game to speak of. I will take Kurt for a couple more years please. Top 3 Qb playing right now...can't argue with success he has been having and Qb rating and completion percentage....He has been above and beyond on the field. You might have a point off the field...but we are ******...JUST Shut up and WIN and take us to the Playoffs.