Sixers holding up Amare Deal - Per ESPN

[Divide Et Impera]

The funny thing about this all is that I would take David Lee at $10m over Amare at $8m. To me, there is a HUGE premium for players who give it up for the game. In a way, seeing Shaq jump over the courtside seats to get a loose ball is what I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

 

[devilalum]

The funny thing about this all is that I would take David Lee at $10m over Amare at $8m. To me, there is a HUGE premium for players who give it up for the game. In a way, seeing Shaq jump over the courtside seats to get a loose ball is what I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

Like Eric Byrnes.

 

[Bufalay]

The funny thing about this all is that I would take David Lee at $10m over Amare at $8m. To me, there is a HUGE premium for players who give it up for the game. In a way, seeing Shaq jump over the courtside seats to get a loose ball is what I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

Why not fill the team with a bunch of Lou Amundson's and see how well they do.

 

[Chaplin]

The funny thing about this all is that I would take David Lee at $10m over Amare at $8m. To me, there is a HUGE premium for players who give it up for the game. In a way, seeing Shaq jump over the courtside seats to get a loose ball is what I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

Get real. I'm as critical of Amare as the next guy, but preferring David Lee at a higher salary is insane.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Get real. I'm as critical of Amare as the next guy, but preferring David Lee at a higher salary is insane.

Hmmm. I guess you just didn't see this:

The funny thing about this all is that I would take David Lee at $10m over Amare at $8m. To me, there is a HUGE premium for players who give it up for the game. In a way, seeing Shaq jump over the courtside seats to get a loose ball is what I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

Carry on....

 

[Covert Rain]

Get real. I'm as critical of Amare as the next guy, but preferring David Lee at a higher salary is insane.

Especially since I have posted Lee's defensive #'s and he doesn't play any defense. So you trade Amare for Lee. Your rebounding stabilizes a bit, you replace SOME of the offense you lost in Amare but your defense is no better.

Oh....and you pay a higher salary. No thanks. If you trade Amare you do it for someone who plays defense.

 

[devilalum]

Amare's Bluffing!

Does it really make sense that Amare would punish the Sixers for acquiring him by picking up the option and being stuck in Philly for another year? He said he doesn't want to play for a bad team but he's going to turn around and choose to do so when 2010 might be his last chance to get a big extension?

No way!!!

 

[TucsonDevil]

Its really a shame that Amare isn't a motivated player. If he was, all of his/our dreams would come true. The Suns would improve astronomically, and he would get paid $$.

I just laugh/cry when I see him lost on defense, when a rebound goes over his head, or when a quick(or slow) small forward runs around him for an offensive put back.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Or when Tony Parker prevents him from backing down in the post....

 

[JoRain]

Exactly, there is absolutely no reason why we'd want Igoudala with his contract, or Dalembert for that matter. Iggy is decent, but certainly not worth 12-16 mil per, especially considering that the cap will go down. Dalembert is a poor fit for the system and would only take minutes away from Lopez. Young talent or high draft picks should be the only trades we consider.

completely agree. This is Chad Ford's rumor and according to him Amar'e threats to opt in for next year scared Philly. Then he says Suns is cost conscious themselves and that's why they want dump Amar'e. If Suns are so cost conscious - why in gods name they would take back horrible contracts of Iggy (12 to 14 mil per + player option for 2014) and Dalember, who's owned 12 mil for next season?
and who is going to play PF after this trade? Griffin?
only way this happens if Philly includes Speights - another offensive minded big man who doesn't rebound or play defense.

 

[slinslin]

This whole Philly rumor really doesn't make sense when you think about it..

Iggy makes:
12.3M$ in 2011
13.5M$ in 2012
14.7M$ in 2013
15.9M$ in 2014

Why the heck would we want that? We likely won't even offer Amare that much. Gambo expect the Suns to offer something around 13M$/per season for Amare in an extension.

Iggy makes like 14.5M$ per season. We would be much better off extending Amare for 16-17M$ per season than taking on Iggy.

 

[Griffin]

An NBA source told CSN Philly that "Phoenix desperately wants Andre. They are pushing this. That I know for a fact."

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...05/source_suns_desperately_want_iguodala/el/#

 

[jandaman]

Suns should trade with Nets.

Because as Slin stated, Iguadala, as good as he is.... making 15 million a year as a second tier/option player will be OVERPAID severely likely to be around 200% overpaid when the new CBA comes around.

Nets can give these players.

Yi + 2011 pick (top 3 protected), if it is a top 3 pick, it becomes unprotected in 2012 + Simmons (expiring) + Lee OR T.Williams (prospects)

If the Nets a re holding back with T.Wiiliams then, Suns can loosen up the protection to top 5 protected for 2011 and top 3 protected in 2012 (if 2011 becomes top 5).



Yi at this POINT in time, is a poor man's Barganani, a very poor man's Dirk. But more athletic and still has room to grow than both.


Look at this potential "under 25" line-up come 2011-2012 season.

C: Lopez
PF: Yi
SF: Clark
SG: T.Williams/Lee
PG: Dragic

No superstar, but you have to factor the Suns will have 2 lottery picks concecutive years in 2011 and 2012, potential 2 top 10s.

Nash expires + J.Rich expires etc.

You have about 20 Million expiring, which I think 8-9 Million free to sign a "star".

Plus Nash can sign a 2 year for minimum to retire as a Sun and join coaching staff (shooting and offense coach)

 

[slinslin]

And I am actually an Iggy fan and would like to see him on my team but I don't see how that trade makes sense for us unless we get a pick.

We'd have to find a 3rd team that wants to give up picks and equally long contracts for Dalembert, since I wouldn't want him to steal minutes from Robin.

 

[tobiazz]

Dalembert leads the Sixers in in FT% this season at 84%!

 

[jagu]

Iguadala?? Really? How does this make the Suns better? Stupid deal, but I guess we can get a guy back who can be of use with Iggy and Dalembert so I can see why the Suns would do it.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I think Iguodala would be a Joe Johnson (in ATL) level star here in Phoenix. People on this board are underatting how good he is. He just gets lost on the Sixers but he is athletic, he is clutch, he can handle, and he can pass. He is a better shooter then he is given credit for too.

Nash would make him a 25ppg guy easy.

 

[Chaplin]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wi...05/source_suns_desperately_want_iguodala/el/#

Well if an NBA source says it, it must be true.

 

[joshstmarie]

This whole Philly rumor really doesn't make sense when you think about it..

Iggy makes:
12.3M$ in 2011
13.5M$ in 2012
14.7M$ in 2013
15.9M$ in 2014

Why the heck would we want that? We likely won't even offer Amare that much. Gambo expect the Suns to offer something around 13M$/per season for Amare in an extension.

Iggy makes like 14.5M$ per season. We would be much better off extending Amare for 16-17M$ per season than taking on Iggy.

It makes plenty of sense. Sarver and Co dont want to build from scratch. They would rather reload. Its not like we couldnt get rid of iggy if we wanted to down the road, a player like him regardless of the contract is always going to be in demand as long as hes healthy.

 

[TucsonDevil]

...Its not like we couldnt get rid of iggy if we wanted to down the road, a player like him regardless of the contract is always going to be in demand as long as hes healthy.

Isn't J-Rich a 'player like him'? I don't see anyone looking to take him...

 

[slinslin]

It makes plenty of sense. Sarver and Co dont want to build from scratch. They would rather reload. Its not like we couldnt get rid of iggy if we wanted to down the road, a player like him regardless of the contract is always going to be in demand as long as hes healthy.

Not really, you could have said the same thing about Richardson a year ago. Nobody will want to touch Iguodala's contract with a 10 foot pole once the new CBA is done.

Iguodala is very overpaid, the Suns would be stupid to take on his contract. If they did that they might as well re-sign Amare for a lot of money because Amare is by far the better and more valueable player.

 

[devilalum]

Isn't J-Rich a 'player like him'? I don't see anyone looking to take him...

If the Suns made this deal they would have 4 shooting guards, non of which really play the point that well.

Barbosa
Dragic
JRich
Iggy

One of these guys would have to be involved in the deal or the Suns would have to make a second move, at least before next season.

 

[overseascardfan]

The Iggy/Daly contracts plus the fact that Lopez is starting to play well makes this deal pointless. I feel a MIA offering of O'Neal, Beasley & their 2 first rounders would be a better deal. O'Neal expires after this year but he along with Beasley will keep us competive enough to screw OKC into a late first rounder. The first rounders give us an opportunity to rebuild with some good young players. MIA will not need their picks as they would still have Chalmers, Cook to go along with Amare, Haslem & Wade. It could help them land LeBron if he sees 2 All-Stars in their prime in place.

 

[Sunburn]

The Iggy/Daly contracts plus the fact that Lopez is starting to play well makes this deal pointless. I feel a MIA offering of O'Neal, Beasley & their 2 first rounders would be a better deal. O'Neal expires after this year but he along with Beasley will keep us competive enough to screw OKC into a late first rounder. The first rounders give us an opportunity to rebuild with some good young players. MIA will not need their picks as they would still have Chalmers, Cook to go along with Amare, Haslem & Wade. It could help them land LeBron if he sees 2 All-Stars in their prime in place.

Best deal I've heard. Is this for real?

 

[Sunburn]

Not really, you could have said the same thing about Richardson a year ago. Nobody will want to touch Iguodala's contract with a 10 foot pole once the new CBA is done.

Iguodala is very overpaid, the Suns would be stupid to take on his contract. If they did that they might as well re-sign Amare for a lot of money because Amare is by far the better and more valueable player.

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