Skelton

[az1965]

I think you have selective memory..

I don't... I'm quoting stats for incompletions when Kolb was the QB.

I remember the sack/fumble by Kolb and don't have time to do the research but it was in the last three games or perhaps the Miami game.

Both QB's are not good... that is a problem we have to address #1 next year but people are over reacting right now obviously due to the bitter loss of otherwise very winnable game.

 

[az1965]

Look at Powell's stats last week.

Not saying our line is good or even adequate, just saying it wouldn't matter even if these guys were all Pro Bowlers considering how bad our QB's are.

Sorry... the OL is the main problem. Several of the mistakes both QB's made were because they are rushing their throws as they know they are going to get hit in 3 seconds.

 

[Shaggy]

I don't... I'm quoting stats for incompletions when Kolb was the QB.

I remember the sack/fumble by Kolb and don't have time to do the research but it was in the last three games or perhaps the Miami game.

Both QB's are not good... that is a problem we have to address #1 next year but people are over reacting right now obviously due to the bitter loss of otherwise very winnable game.

Our #1 goal is to get better players for our OL. Doesn't matter how good of a QB we get if they don't have time to throw.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No we're not over reacting. It's not just the TOs it's where the TOs occurred. It's his throws right at the feet of WRs on key 3rd downs. It's missing a wide open Fitz 10 yards out of bounds when he's wide open and you have all day to throw.

He's awful.

Are we talking about kolb's AWFUL pick in the endzone against Miami that would have killed that game if not for a defensive miracle at the end of the game... Or Kolb missing four wide open touchdown passes against the rams... Or KOlb's killer INT against buffalo late in the fourth quarter driving to tie the game?

Or we talking about Skelton? Kolb was pretty awful the last three games he was in there too guys. What's concerning about tht is its the same pattern we saw T the beginning of last year. First couple games, Kolb looked all right, then went in the tank... Then got injured.

Now, all that being said, Skelton SUCKS, but can his team really go with Kolb next year and hope three time's the charm? Lord, I hope not.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Aside from AP going bonkers, D did their job and kept the team in the game.

Ponder looked like a rookie out there.


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[Russ Smith]

Are we talking about kolb's AWFUL pick in the endzone against Miami that would have killed that game if not for a defensive miracle at the end of the game... Or Kolb missing four wide open touchdown passes against the rams... Or KOlb's killer INT against buffalo late in the fourth quarter driving to tie the game?

Or we talking about Skelton? Kolb was pretty awful the last three games he was in there too guys. What's concerning about tht is its the same pattern we saw T the beginning of last year. First couple games, Kolb looked all right, then went in the tank... Then got injured.

Now, all that being said, Skelton SUCKS, but can his team really go with Kolb next year and hope three time's the charm? Lord, I hope not.

Oh agreed Kolb was not playing well either but he was missing passes 15 yards downfield, Skelton was missing 5 yard passes. There's no question Kolb is more accurate but he's still not good enough.

We absolutely need a better QB.

 

[az1965]

Oh agreed Kolb was not playing well either but he was missing passes 15 yards downfield, Skelton was missing 5 yard passes. There's no question Kolb is more accurate but he's still not good enough.

We absolutely need a better QB.

To be honest... two of these were drops by Doucet.

 

[Chopper0080]

If you think their is a quality NFL QB in this roster, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Duckjake]

The Cards have lost 2 games in the last 3 weeks to teams whose QBs completed 7 and 8 passes respectively. The Cards just suck period. All 53 of them and the coaches too. Back to the same old Cardinals taking turns messing up and finding ways to lose.

 

[PJ1]

Sorry... the OL is the main problem. Several of the mistakes both QB's made were because they are rushing their throws as they know they are going to get hit in 3 seconds.

Skelton had time until the 4th quarter when down by 14 we have to throw and they know it. The OL played well enough today for us to win.

 

[PACardsFan]

A few more losses and its times to play the rookies at Qb!

 

[Chopper0080]

A few more losses and its times to play the rookies at Qb!

Nope. This team wants to win and Lindley would have to really show something in order for them to make a move. (or I guess Skelton could continue playing like he did today)

 

[Buckybird]

So it's just a complete coincidence again that our line play improves two years in a row when Skelton is in there?

When Kolb backpedals on almost every play and allows those easy angles then him getting less time is on him. Kolb sucks, Skelton is atrocious. Why can't people see this?

We changed the offense we're running all short pass plays.

I agree Skelton is calmer in the pocket but he's killing us holding the ball too long on short drops

Not like this though we threw so many short
passes today it was funny.

Thats why Ryan kept saying the ball has to come out quickly , if it doesn't it's going to be a sack and Skelton kept holding it

Skelton made Matty check downs throws look the greatest show on turf today.
Good game plan, but Bones still couldn't take advantage. Kolb isn't a stud, but he's got more talent in his pinkie finger than Bones does in his entire body throwing the football.Skelton is trash!!!

 

[az1965]

Skelton had time until the 4th quarter when down by 14 we have to throw and they know it. The OL played well enough today for us to win.

So, that's why we had 7 sacks today and several hits?

When OL played well, Skelton also delivered 262 yards on 25/36 (69% completion).

 

[az1965]

Skelton made Matty check downs throws look the greatest show on turf today.
Good game plan, but Bones still couldn't take advantage. Kolb isn't a stud, but he's got more talent in his pinkie finger than Bones does in his entire body throwing the football.Skelton is trash!!!

Talk about a gross overstatement. Over reaction at its peak.

 

[Shane]

Talk about a gross overstatement. Over reaction at its peak.

No actually pretty darn accurate.

 

[Buckybird]

Talk about a gross overstatement. Over reaction at its peak.

Rewatch the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

To be honest... two of these were drops by Doucet.

Yes but again, even one of those was a bad throw. He should have caught it but bad throw, adn Doucet rescued Skelton at least twice catching very inaccurate throws that got very little YAC because of that.

 

[PJ1]

So, that's why we had 7 sacks today and several hits?

When OL played well, Skelton also delivered 262 yards on 25/36 (69% completion).

So he didn't hold the ball too long on any of them? The Allen sack he could have easily thrown away but didn't. He had a running game also.

This game was not on the OL. Skelton was terriible.

 

[az1965]

Skelton made Matty check downs throws look the greatest show on turf today.
Good game plan, but Bones still couldn't take advantage. Kolb isn't a stud, but he's got more talent in his pinkie finger than Bones does in his entire body throwing the football.Skelton is trash!!!

Here are Kolb's talented pinky finger gems:

NE: 15/27 (55.6%); 140 yards; 5.2 avg; TD 1; Int 0, Rtg 82.3
PHI: 17/24 (70.8%); 222 yards; 9.3 avg; TD 2; Int 0; Rtg 127.4
MIA: 29/48 (60.4%) 324 yards (it took 48 throws inc OT!); 6.8 avg; TD 3; Int 2; Rtg 84.0
STL: 28/50 (56.0%); 289 yards (it took 50 throws!); 5.8 avg; TD 0; Int 0; Rtg 72.8
BUF: 14/26 (53.8%); 128 yards (thru 3+ quarters); 4.9 avg; TD 1; Int 1; Rtg 64.3

 

[Buckybird]

The other thing that really bothers me about Skelton is that he seems to generally struggle when his first read is covered. I know many QBs generally know at the line pretty much where the throw is going presnap, but IMO Bones really struggles at this part of his game...IMO a measure of how good a QB can ultimately be.

 

[az1965]

So he didn't hold the ball too long on any of them? The Allen sack he could have easily thrown away but didn't. He had a running game also.

This game was not on the OL. Skelton was terriible.

No one's denying some of the issues he had... The problem is when people are going overboard with the comparison calling Skelton "dog poop", "trash", "but he's got more talent in his pinkie finger than Bones"...

That IS over reaction.

 

[Buckybird]

Here are Kolb's talented pinky finger gems:

NE: 15/27 (55.6%); 140 yards; 5.2 avg; TD 1; Int 0, Rtg 82.3
PHI: 17/24 (70.8%); 222 yards; 9.3 avg; TD 2; Int 0; Rtg 127.4
MIA: 29/48 (60.4%) 324 yards (it took 48 throws inc OT!); 6.8 avg; TD 3; Int 2; Rtg 84.0
STL: 28/50 (56.0%); 289 yards (it took 50 throws!); 5.8 avg; TD 0; Int 0; Rtg 72.8
BUF: 14/26 (53.8%); 128 yards (thru 3+ quarters); 4.9 avg; TD 1; Int 1; Rtg 64.3

Put the whole package together of BOTH players since they started in Arizona last year! Not even close dude!!! The stats as you show, say so! Again, Kolb isn't a stud, but he's light years better than Skelton!!! Always will be.

 

[az1965]

The other thing that really bothers me about Skelton is that he seems to generally struggle when his first read is covered. I know many QBs generally know at the line pretty much where the throw is going presnap, but IMO Bones really struggles at this part of his game...IMO a measure of how good a QB can ultimately be.

That's funny because that's exactly what Skelton was better at as he replaced Kolb last year and suddenly we rediscovered Andre Roberts and Doucet... Skelton was distributing the ball while Kolb was locking in on Larry. Kolb seemed to improve this year in this regard but reverted to some of the same problems during the two game losing streak.

 

[az1965]

Put the whole package together of BOTH players since they started in Arizona last year! Not even close dude!!! The stats as you show, say so! Again, Kolb isn't a stud, but he's light years better than Skelton!!! Always will be.

I'm looking at this year when both QB's had full off season to work with.