So what is accomplished by firing Whis?

[Crazy Canuck]

Pity. The smartest posters on this board are all women.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Whis could've gotten:
Chad Henne
Matt Hasselback
David Garrard
Alex Smith
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb (yes, I'm willing to say that Donne McNabb would be better than this turd-sandwich that I've seen the last two years)
Byron Leftwich
Jason Campbell
Kyle Boller

Any of these guys would have been superior to any of the QBs we've been privileged to watch except maybe Kolb and Anderson.

If you have six consecutive girlfriends cheat on you, you can continue to blame your girlfriends, but at some point you have to look in the mirror.

Firing Whis accomplishes nothing if we do it at the end of the year. Transitioning this roster makes no sense; so many players are locked into long-term deals, we'd have to take two steps back to take one step forward.

By the way, this is the same case for those of you who want to see two rookie lineman starting again next year. No matter how highly they're drafted, they're not going to be as good right away as the veterans we have. So I hope you're willing to sacrifice 2013 on the altar of hoping that you can draft 2 offensive linemen and have them both work out.

Hell Josh McCown is better than these characters. Vince Young is sitting at home broke and begging for any work. Donovan McNabb is on his couch about five miles away from Warner/Hardy waiting for someone to call. I bet we could roll Jake Plummer off his couch in Idaho during his weed nap and he'd outperform Skelton and Lindley tomorrow.

Not suggesting any of these guys would be the answer of course, but the last few weeks have been some of the most embarrassing in Cardinal history and we all know that is saying something.

 

[kerouac9]

Hell Josh McCown is better than these characters. Vince Young is sitting at home broke and begging for any work. Donovan McNabb is on his couch about five miles away from Warner/Hardy waiting for someone to call. I bet we could roll Jake Plummer off his couch in Idaho during his weed nap and he'd outperform Skelton and Lindley tomorrow.

Not suggesting any of these guys would be the answer of course, but the last few weeks have been some of the most embarrassing in Cardinal history and we all know that is saying something.

Yup. I have no idea why Whis wouldn't bring in veteran quarterbacks who at least have shown that they can compete in the NFL after failing over and over and over again with young QBs. I get that you have to go to war with the guys that you bring to camp, but it's ridiculous.

If there's one place where I think the front office outside of Whis deserves real criticism, it's going into training camp with only Bartel, Lindley, Skelton, and Kolb. I get that the staff liked Bartel and didn't know what they had in Lindley, but it wouldn't have taken much of a guarantee to bring in a veteran retread that would've given us a better chance than we have right now.

 

[52brandon]

We keep our D coordinator

exactly my thoughts

If Whiz is going to preach accountability...... Then he himself must be held accountable.

Kolb benched for Skelton
Skelton benched for Lindley
Floyd moving past Byrd, and Early
Potter moving past Batiste
Scho moving past Haggans

Whiz deserves no more sympathy from us.

first 2 I agree. at WR, I'm not sure. Potter IS better than Batiste. And Scho IS better than Haggans

 

[Chopper0080]

Sooo... Who are these coaches? Because they're not the six guys you named. They all had success without special QBs.



They weren't starting for other teams because there were better/younger QBs in front of them. The Cards didn't have either. They probably have the two worst backup QBs in football. The fact that perhaps half of the #2 quarterbacks in the NFL could start for us--at the beginning of the season and without injury--is pretty damning of Whis's inability to judge or recruit talent at the quarterback position.

I really don't understand why he keeps chasing young guys. The only success that he's had is with a veteran in Warner. Why doesn't he bring in three mediocre veterans and see if "the system" can take them to the next level?

I have a hard time believing that you're not being hardheaded to say that you wouldn't rather have ANY of those guys than John Skelton.

Mike Smith-Matt Ryan
Mike Tomlin has only had Roethlisberger so
John Harbaugh - Joe Flacco
Marvin Lewis - Carson Palmer & Andy Dalton
John Fox - Jake Delhomme (before he went south) & Peyton Manning

that is all I can think of right now...all coaches (other than Tomlin) who I would group with Whis as far as head coaching ability.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yup. I have no idea why Whis wouldn't bring in veteran quarterbacks who at least have shown that they can compete in the NFL after failing over and over and over again with young QBs. I get that you have to go to war with the guys that you bring to camp, but it's ridiculous

We should have at the very worst brought one in when Kolb got hurt. There were rumors about VY and Matt Moore but of course nothing came of it. Somebody should have seen enough in practice and workouts to determine that Skelton and Lindley couldn't even be serviceable.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yup. I have no idea why Whis wouldn't bring in veteran quarterbacks who at least have shown that they can compete in the NFL after failing over and over and over again with young QBs. I get that you have to go to war with the guys that you bring to camp, but it's ridiculous.

If there's one place where I think the front office outside of Whis deserves real criticism, it's going into training camp with only Bartel, Lindley, Skelton, and Kolb. I get that the staff liked Bartel and didn't know what they had in Lindley, but it wouldn't have taken much of a guarantee to bring in a veteran retread that would've given us a better chance than we have right now.

I was shocked they didn't bring in Chad Henne this offseason as he seems to fit the Whis mold.

I agree that the organization keeps putting itself in situations where these young QBs end up having to start. This is why I am totally in for trading for Rivers (who I think is more available than Romo). We haven't shown we can develop a young QB so why go back to that well in a pivitol year. Better to trade for a vet, get back some equity through winning and then try the young route again.

 

[kerouac9]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

 

[Mulli]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

Makes sense. Like someone else posted, Whiz won't get fired unless he votes for himself to be fired.

 

[desertdawg]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

YUP, that's what I was saying yesterday. Playing for draft picks and not worried about his job, that's the only way you keep Lindley in. I also have my hunch that Whiz tried to land a VET QB right before the deadline because he wasn't happy with Skelton at all. Maybe the org said look, play what you got, you won't lose your job over it. Maybe???

 

[CtCardinals78]

YUP, that's what I was saying yesterday. Playing for draft picks and not worried about his job, that's the only way you keep Lindley in. I also have my hunch that Whiz tried to land a VET QB right before the deadline because he wasn't happy with Skelton at all. Maybe the org said look, play what you got, you won't lose your job over it. Maybe???

I don't know and risk losing the locker room. How pissed do you think those defensive players were when they played their hearts out for the 12th game in a row only to be told Lindley was their best chance to win?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

Well the good news is that Whiz will get two or even three chances to find his QB instead of one. I can't imagine Lindley or Skelton being on the roster and Kolb is going to have take a paycut to be here. I suppose that's better odds of a blind squirrel finding the proverbial nut.

 

[desertdawg]

I don't know and risk losing the locker room. How pissed do you think those defensive players were when they played their hearts out for the 12th game in a row only to be told Lindley was their best chance to win?

I feel you, it's just hard to figure how/why Whiz would leave that baby in the microwave.

A. He is pissed at Skelton, and is doing that stubborn FTW thing he does by staying with Lindley.

B. He has been guarantedd a 2013, and is whinning about not getting a vet QB in here after Kolb went down, showing the FO how bad he has it, eventhough he picks all these late round busts.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I don't know and risk losing the locker room. How pissed do you think those defensive players were when they played their hearts out for the 12th game in a row only to be told Lindley was their best chance to win?

I think it's likely a combo of:

1. Whis being guaranteed that he will get the 2013 season to right the ship
2. Knowing for 100% fact Skelton will be cut during the offseason
3. Training staff thinking Kolb is going to come back in the next couple weeks
4. Organization not being overly upset were the team's draft stock to improve

 

[football karma]

its all part of the master plan

who is going to complain about Kevin Kolb now?

 

[jefftheshark]

its all part of the master plan

who is going to complain about Kevin Kolb now?

So we now have a quarterback controversy in reverse - they all suck so bad we don't want any of them playing.

You gotta hand it to the Cards - they might stink, but they keep on finding new and interesting ways to suck in style.

JTS

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

its all part of the master plan

who is going to complain about Kevin Kolb now?

Ugh, sadly you may be right.

Although if we go into 2013 with Kolb as our starting QB you can count on me not renewing my season tickets. Or more likely dropping down to the $25 per ticket package.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

I posted that I thought something like that had to be in place. That either one way or the other, Whiz knows his fate for next year. Otherwise keeping Lindley in there, even after the Atlanta debacle, was mind boggling.

 

[Chopper0080]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

I agree with Kemp.

 

[conraddobler]

So we now have a quarterback controversy in reverse - they all suck so bad we don't want any of them playing.

You gotta hand it to the Cards - they might stink, but they keep on finding new and interesting ways to suck in style.

JTS

He's conditioning us to HATE backup QB's.

Brilliant!

 

[cardsfanmd]

It would make the idiots on this board happy until they wake up tomorrow and have something else to bitch about. Firing Whiz right now would be utterly moronic. That's why so many people in here are in favor of it.

 

[Mulli]

It would make the idiots on this board happy until they wake up tomorrow and have something else to bitch about. Firing Whiz right now would be utterly moronic. That's why so many people in here are in favor of it.

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[conraddobler]

It would make the idiots on this board happy until they wake up tomorrow and have something else to bitch about. Firing Whiz right now would be utterly moronic. That's why so many people in here are in favor of it.

This post is just full of sunshine and skittles, what's not to like here?

 

[NWCardFan]

We have tried to find a QB. From all accounts Whiz has been very much involved in this process. It has failed.

Need new GM and new HC.

This is right on the point. Simple and concise. In order for this organization to improve, from a fan's perspective, we need to start with Rod Graves and let the new GM decide who to hire. I would love to retain Horton and would want him to be able to interview for the HC position. I want to hear when the season ends that Whis and Graves have been let go. Simple as that. I don't believe this opinion can change. I feel cheated by the coaching in the game versus the Jets.

 

[Dayman]

Listening to Bob Kemp right now. He believes that the only reason Whis didn't put Skelton in is because he's been assured by ownership that he's going to be back in 2013 regardless. The direct quote: "The only logical reason in my mind is because Whisenhunt has been assured he'll be back next year. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that he's been told he'll be returning next year."

I hope this isn't true. No coach should be guaranteed another year when they're in the middle of a losing streak that spans half of the season.