So what is accomplished by firing Whis?

[Chopper0080]

Sorry but based on this logic a team should never fire a coach. No company should ever fire an underperforming employee. We should never expect to improve because we might have to start over.

If you have a garbage roster, then you start over. If you have a QB and the coach can't make it work, then you start over. But you don't throw it all away because you can't find a suitable replacement for a Hall of Fame QB despite having a top 10 defense and an overall solid roster.

Whis has proven he can take a team to a Super Bowl, and not many head coaches can claim that. And please don't spout on about him riding Warner's coattails because that argument can be had for pretty much every head coach. Coughlin hasn't been to any Super Bowls without Manning, Macarthy without Rodgers, Belichick without Brady, Tomlin without Roethlisberger, or Dungy without Peyton Manning.

 

[kerouac9]

Anderson was horrible.

Yup. And yet here we are. I would rather watch Derek Anderson start games because at least I know what I'm getting from him. Kolb gets worse every week until he gets hurt. John Skelton waits around until we're down 4 to decide whether he brought his game. Ryan Lindley is the worst quarterback to start a regular-season football game since Max Hall--and it's close.

 

[CtCardinals78]

If you have a garbage roster, then you start over. If you have a QB and the coach can't make it work, then you start over. But you don't throw it all away because you can't find a suitable replacement for a Hall of Fame QB despite having a top 10 defense and an overall solid roster.

Whis has proven he can take a team to a Super Bowl, and not many head coaches can claim that. And please don't spout on about him riding Warner's coattails because that argument can be had for pretty much every head coach. Coughlin hasn't been to any Super Bowls without Manning, Macarthy without Rodgers, Belichick without Brady, Tomlin without Roethlisberger, or Dungy without Peyton Manning.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding that Whisenhunt had a large role in this roster? If this roster is garbage, which it is, it is because Whisenhunt had a large influence in making it that way.

He has also proven that he could take a Super Bowl caliber roster and dismantle it in two season and bring the team back to the cellar.

 

[kerouac9]

If you have a garbage roster, then you start over. If you have a QB and the coach can't make it work, then you start over. But you don't throw it all away because you can't find a suitable replacement for a Hall of Fame QB despite having a top 10 defense and an overall solid roster.

Whis has proven he can take a team to a Super Bowl, and not many head coaches can claim that. And please don't spout on about him riding Warner's coattails because that argument can be had for pretty much every head coach. Coughlin hasn't been to any Super Bowls without Manning, Macarthy without Rodgers, Belichick without Brady, Tomlin without Roethlisberger, or Dungy without Peyton Manning.

This isn't fair. The Super Bowl is too high a threshold.

Coughlin took the Jags to an AFC Championship game and a .531 overall record with an expansion franchise.

Mike McCarthy is in his first job, but he was 21-11 with "bad Favre" at the endish of his run.

Belichick won 10 games with Matt Cassel. He was also 36-44 with the Browns and lead them to the playoffs and to a playoff victory.

Tomlin's on his first job.

Tony Dungy was 54-42 with the Bucs, taking them to the playoffs four times in six seasons.

It's not really an apt comparison. If you're comparing Whis to these guys, he should definitely be fired.

 

[Chopper0080]

Whis could've gotten:
Chad Henne
Matt Hasselback
David Garrard
Alex Smith
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb (yes, I'm willing to say that Donne McNabb would be better than this turd-sandwich that I've seen the last two years)
Byron Leftwich
Jason Campbell
Kyle Boller

Any of these guys would have been superior to any of the QBs we've been privileged to watch except maybe Kolb and Anderson.

If you have six consecutive girlfriends cheat on you, you can continue to blame your girlfriends, but at some point you have to look in the mirror.

Firing Whis accomplishes nothing if we do it at the end of the year. Transitioning this roster makes no sense; so many players are locked into long-term deals, we'd have to take two steps back to take one step forward.

By the way, this is the same case for those of you who want to see two rookie lineman starting again next year. No matter how highly they're drafted, they're not going to be as good right away as the veterans we have. So I hope you're willing to sacrifice 2013 on the altar of hoping that you can draft 2 offensive linemen and have them both work out.

I agree that we had other options and Whis, in conjunction with the front office, made some very poor choices. However while they have been swinging and missing with QBs, they have also assembled a very talented roster of players.

Do I take blame away from the organization for missing on so many QBs since Warner? No. But if it is so easy to find a top 15 QB, less teams would have the issues at QB that they do. So yes, I will give Whis and the front office another offseason to try and strike gold at QB because they have assembled as talented of a roster, outside of the QB position, that I have ever seen as a Cardinal fan.

 

[Duckjake]

wow... Crazy Canuck's really going for it today.

Today? She's been the epitome of an internet Troll as long as she's been on the board. Ever remember her actually posting something about football? Me either. Just lurks and snipes at others posts.

Internet tough girl #1,308,879.

 

[Chopper0080]

This isn't fair. The Super Bowl is too high a threshold.

Coughlin took the Jags to an AFC Championship game and a .531 overall record with an expansion franchise.

Mike McCarthy is in his first job, but he was 21-11 with "bad Favre" at the endish of his run.

Belichick won 10 games with Matt Cassel. He was also 36-44 with the Browns and lead them to the playoffs and to a playoff victory.

Tomlin's on his first job.

Tony Dungy was 54-42 with the Bucs, taking them to the playoffs four times in six seasons.

It's not really an apt comparison. If you're comparing Whis to these guys, he should definitely be fired.

My point is that most coaches who head to the postseason and Super Bowl do so WITH a special QB so to say Whis is a terrible coach because he ONLY got their with Warner is rediculous.

 

[conraddobler]

I agree that we had other options and Whis, in conjunction with the front office, made some very poor choices. However while they have been swinging and missing with QBs, they have also assembled a very talented roster of players.

Do I take blame away from the organization for missing on so many QBs since Warner? No. But if it is so easy to find a top 15 QB, less teams would have the issues at QB that they do. So yes, I will give Whis and the front office another offseason to try and strike gold at QB because they have assembled as talented of a roster, outside of the QB position, that I have ever seen as a Cardinal fan.

The talent accumulated since Whiz has been here is massively tilted to the defensive side of the ball.

C, "the system works" KW has repeatedly failed to find a QB to execute it and then he gets pissy with the ones he has if they say anything and banishes them forever.

He's a tyrant, which would be fine, IF IT WAS WORKING!!!!

 

[CtCardinals78]

My point is that most coaches who head to the postseason and Super Bowl do so WITH a special QB so to say Whis is a terrible coach because he ONLY got their with Warner is rediculous.

You would think, but with each passing season that's looking more and more like the case. Warner and Denny's roster. It's really no different than when Gruden won the Super Bowl with Dungy's roster in Tampa Bay. Its just that Gruden is a better coach than Whiz. Much better.

 

[desertdawg]

I do enjoy the K9-Chopper stuff.

 

[Chopper0080]

Why do people have such a hard time understanding that Whisenhunt had a large role in this roster? If this roster is garbage, which it is, it is because Whisenhunt had a large influence in making it that way.

He has also proven that he could take a Super Bowl caliber roster and dismantle it in two season and bring the team back to the cellar.

How good was that roster before Whis was the head coach? It was terrible. So , if you want to give him credit for dismantling that talented roster and replacing it with garbage like Patrick Peterson, Daryl Washington, Sam Acho, Kerry Rhodes, Calais Campbell, Andre Roberts, and Rob Housler, then you have to give him credit for coaching it up in the first place.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Whis could've gotten:
Chad Henne
Matt Hasselback
David Garrard
Alex Smith
Kyle Orton
Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb (yes, I'm willing to say that Donne McNabb would be better than this turd-sandwich that I've seen the last two years)
Byron Leftwich
Jason Campbell
Kyle Boller

Other than Smith, at the beginning of the year, none of them are starting NFL QB's without injury.
I'm not arguing, I'm just saying there hasn't been much for the Cards to choose from and why Kolb was generally considered the best option. Henne may have been a good option but I believe he was coming off some kind of injury, shoulder??, maybe. The other guys on the list I want nothing to do with. Albeit, they are all better than Lindley but that's a pretty low bar he's set.

 

[Chopper0080]

The talent accumulated since Whiz has been here is massively tilted to the defensive side of the ball.

C, "the system works" KW has repeatedly failed to find a QB to execute it and then he gets pissy with the ones he has if they say anything and banishes them forever.

He's a tyrant, which would be fine, IF IT WAS WORKING!!!!

Which was our biggest issue while Warner was here. I get that Whis and the organization has not been great, but they have shown the ABILITY to get us to the highest level when they do hit. So we were very offensive dominant, and are now very defensively dominant. My point is that it only takes a little bit of offense, with this defense, to turn these losses into wins. Whis isn't Norv Turner who took a very good roster and depleted all the while having a top 10 NFL QB.

 

[CtCardinals78]

How good was that roster before Whis was the head coach? It was terrible. So , if you want to give him credit for dismantling that talented roster and replacing it with garbage like Patrick Peterson, Daryl Washington, Sam Acho, Kerry Rhodes, Calais Campbell, Andre Roberts, and Rob Housler, then you have to give him credit for coaching it up in the first place.

Oh I'll give credit. His did an excellent job his first two and a half seasons here, no doubt.

As good as he was his first two years he has been as bad or worse since. I'm not going to give him a pass for the job he did four years ago. Sorry. I saw this coming two years ago and am thankful for this skid. It's one loss closer to Whiz getting canned or changing his ridiculous ways. Either way the Cardinals can't move forward until one of those happens.

And BTW you are the one that called this roster garbage. Which it is. This is one of the worst put together rosters in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

I do enjoy the K9-Chopper stuff.

That made me laugh.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Bottom line, we may have to do something drastic, but do so at our own peril. Tough call.

I vote we all pony up and buy the team away from the Bidwills. Seriously.

Want to know why the Rams are turning around? They've cleaned out all traces of Georgia Frontiere and the idiot named Shaw they had running things. She won the Super Bowl because she inherited the vestiges of a decent team and had the blessing named Kurt Warner. After that.... they went downhill. She's gone. It took a couple of years. They're turning back into the Rams.

I say we buy the Cardinals away from the Bidwills and change the organization to a WINNING culture.

Or turn Mr. B upside down to shake the millions he's raked in out of his pockets and buy some QUALITY players, coaching and FO.

One or the other. Right now it's all the same to me.

 

[desertdawg]

I vote we all pony up and buy the team away from the Bidwills. Seriously.

I have no dough to throw but I think I still have a couple hunnerd shares in Taco Corp.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I have no dough to throw but I think I still have a couple hunnerd shares in Taco Corp.

Done!

Now then..... who has a pension plan they don't need?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Today? She's been the epitome of an internet Troll as long as she's been on the board. Ever remember her actually posting something about football? Me either. Just lurks and snipes at others posts.

Internet tough girl #1,308,879.

oh trust me... i remember her comparing me to a hyena or a jackal or something like that who comes down from the hills and attacks people... she's just particularly on fire tonight.

the funny thing to me, is that the ultra positive people who constantly attack others never seem to face repercussions. has she ever been banned?

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I'm not.

Pity. The smartest posters on this board are all women.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Sorry. I saw this coming two years ago and am thankful for this skid.

Pretty much what I thought.

You would rather have the Cards lose to try and make you look like you were right about something than have them win and be successful.

Otherwise, why would you be thankful for a losing skid?

I rip constantly on Stewart Bradley(who, btw, now has UDFA rookie Zach Nash from Sacramneto St. getting more playing time than him) but I would love it he would have turned into a pro bowl player and been happy as hell.

I was about the biggest denouncer of Philip Rivers when he was drafted. I thought he'd be a supreme bust and wanted nothing to do with him. Now I want the Cards to trade a 1st round pick for him.

But at least you'll be happy as long as the Cards losing streak continues.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Pretty much what I thought.

You would rather have the Cards lose to try and make you look like you were right about something than have them win and be successful.

Otherwise, why would you be thankful for a losing skid?

I rip constantly on Stewart Bradley(who, btw, now has UDFA rookie Zach Nash from Sacramneto St. getting more playing time than him) but I would love it he would have turned into a pro bowl player and been happy as hell.

I was about the biggest denouncer of Philip Rivers when he was drafted. I thought he'd be a supreme bust and wanted nothing to do with him. Now I want the Cards to trade a 1st round pick for him.

But at least you'll be happy as long as the Cards losing streak continues.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote. Please show me where I said I want the Cards to lose out to make me look right. Ill help you out, nowhere. Again, some on here are wishing for the Cards to lose out for draft picks. I want them to lose out to force change on the organization, which is needed for them to be successful hopefully as early as next year and subsequent years. The current situation is untenable and needs to be remedied.

If the Cards win out and go 8-8 the fans, organization and FO will have the same blasé attitude as last year and use a strong finish as some some crowing achievement and as an indicator that nothing is wrong. Think about it, were you as upset at the end of last year as you were in the beginning? Probably not. We all felt good last year and had a false sense of security that all was well. It's not and it won't be until the HC is gone or changes his ways. Please don't put words in my mouth, I don't do that to you or anyone else and don't think because rooting for Stewart Bradley to do well makes you any better of a fan than I. I want to see this team do well as much as anyone else, but these problems need to be fixed.

 

[kerouac9]

My point is that most coaches who head to the postseason and Super Bowl do so WITH a special QB so to say Whis is a terrible coach because he ONLY got their with Warner is rediculous.

Sooo... Who are these coaches? Because they're not the six guys you named. They all had success without special QBs.

Other than Smith, at the beginning of the year, none of them are starting NFL QB's without injury.
I'm not arguing, I'm just saying there hasn't been much for the Cards to choose from and why Kolb was generally considered the best option. Henne may have been a good option but I believe he was coming off some kind of injury, shoulder??, maybe. The other guys on the list I want nothing to do with. Albeit, they are all better than Lindley but that's a pretty low bar he's set.

They weren't starting for other teams because there were better/younger QBs in front of them. The Cards didn't have either. They probably have the two worst backup QBs in football. The fact that perhaps half of the #2 quarterbacks in the NFL could start for us--at the beginning of the season and without injury--is pretty damning of Whis's inability to judge or recruit talent at the quarterback position.

I really don't understand why he keeps chasing young guys. The only success that he's had is with a veteran in Warner. Why doesn't he bring in three mediocre veterans and see if "the system" can take them to the next level?

I have a hard time believing that you're not being hardheaded to say that you wouldn't rather have ANY of those guys than John Skelton.

 

[machgman]

A new head coach provides us the unlimited possibilities of refusing to make the same stupid, stubborn, and uncreative mistakes Whisenhut have made, including his fantasy that he is a good judge of QB talent as well as his fantasy that he knows how to develop a QB. Roethlisberger says Whisenhut actually hindered his development and never helped. I would believe that Leinart, DA, Max Hall, Skelton, and other QBs would agree. Unless you were a college QB prodigy like Wilson, RGIII, or Luck, the other QBs need lots of time and study to properly develop before you dump them into real games. Whisenhut has always been willing to sacrifice young QBs who were not ready for prime time in order to hope and try to get a miracle QB to save the day for him.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Today? She's been the epitome of an internet Troll as long as she's been on the board. Ever remember her actually posting something about football? Me either. Just lurks and snipes at others posts.

Internet tough girl #1,308,879.

This from the Doofus who spends his days on this board and yet believes football is fixed.