Someone explain AJ Green to me?

[Russ Smith]

Don’t forget Arcega-Whiteside as well. Big bodied WRs from the PAC12? No thanks.

I’m sure cause Mike Evans was eating against good SEC secondaries.

JJ was good in college yes but he had a better QB situation and he averaged about 4.5 catches per game his last year, London was averaging ELEVEN catches a game when he got hurt. JJ had more TD's and a higher YPC but 11 catches a game is pretty impressive for a Team that's not an air raid type offense.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Counting a what? 4th round pick?

Guys that late don't really count at all.

But I was counting Wilson who was also a 4th. I’m counting all draft picks. If a guy can evaluate a position he can evaluate a position. If he can’t, he can’t. The packers used to draft and develop and trade QBs all the time during Favre’s tenure because they were good at it.

 

[Krangodnzr]

We've drafted far too many receivers and our current GM is no good at it. Go the FA route instead.

Yeah that's expensive if you want a good one. Kirk has been a solid 2nd rounder. Isabella not so much. Chad Williams not so much.

 

[Stout]

Yeah that's expensive if you want a good one. Kirk has been a solid 2nd rounder. Isabella not so much. Chad Williams not so much.

I'm not at all impressed with Rondale Moore thus far either. Not a good hit rate.

 

[slanidrac16]

I'm not at all impressed with Rondale Moore thus far either. Not a good hit rate.

Hard to say anything about Rondale. I think the bigger problem is throwing 1 yard passes and thinking he is going to run around professional players like he did in college.
Mismanaged or lack of knowing the playbook or routes?

 

[slanidrac16]

What would everyone think about going after Mike Williams and how much would he cost?

 

[SoonerLou]

What would everyone think about going after Mike Williams and how much would he cost?

Injury prone and probably too much.

Dont get me wrong he'd be the perfect guy opposite Hopkins. However, I just dont see it. As I've said I think now Gallup might be had for cheap. Just would have to hope his rehab goes well.

Maybe AJ will take a cheaper deal though.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Hard to say anything about Rondale. I think the bigger problem is throwing 1 yard passes and thinking he is going to run around professional players like he did in college.
Mismanaged or lack of knowing the playbook or routes?

It's where he is being used in the Air raid offense. He is playing the screen/motion into the backfield WR/RB role. In College it's an extremely effective role, but in the NFL this is one of the areas where the air raid will always fail.

Let's see him in the traditional slot. You can move on from Kirk and his sub 50% catch ratio, and spend the money on fixing the interior offensive line (less Hudson).

Green, was just so damn big and athletic, I don't believe he ever mastered footwork and route running to maintain his elite status. Of course he is older too but players like Adams and Hopkins will be able to delay their decline longer due to their skills coming off the ball and getting on top of their routes.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Hard to say anything about Rondale. I think the bigger problem is throwing 1 yard passes and thinking he is going to run around professional players like he did in college.
Mismanaged or lack of knowing the playbook or routes?

And isn't part of the problem also that he's fighting for reps that Kirk gets? Kirk is certainly one of the better slot receivers in the league. I think Kirk playing so well is keeping Moore off the field to some degree.

 

[SoonerLou]

Go after Wilson if Kirk's contract demands are too high? @DVontel

 

[kerouac9]

I think part of the problem is that Green is seeing NFL plays that Kyler isn’t.

Green sees the coverage and expects Kyler to go to the sure thing and instead he goes to the lower percentage/higher upside option that isn’t expected.

 

[ajcardfan]

I think part of the problem is that Green is seeing NFL plays that Kyler isn’t.

Green sees the coverage and expects Kyler to go to the sure thing and instead he goes to the lower percentage/higher upside option that isn’t expected.

I am not down on Green as much as some people are. Overall, he has been a good bit more asset than liability.

But one play Green does not see, and it is mystifying, is how when Murray is running and scrambling he doesn't make his way back towards the QB. In fact, he often just stops running altogether and just kind of stands around. A few times when this has happened Kyler has chucked the ball and Green has caught it for crucial plays.

It's almost like it is by design? But, I haven't seen anyone else do this like Green. Dhop doesn't do it. He either comes back or goes upfield.

 

[SoonerLou]

I think part of the problem is that Green is seeing NFL plays that Kyler isn’t.

Green sees the coverage and expects Kyler to go to the sure thing and instead he goes to the lower percentage/higher upside option that isn’t expected.

Maybe

The 4th down against the Colts the ball should have went to Ertz quickly for the first down. Green seemed to labor down the field on that 20 yard dig that they ended up not connecting on.

However, in terms of actual targets that hasnt been the major issue between them imo. His 60% catch rate is his best sine 2016. So I think they have been on the page more than not. Sometimes AJ's age just shows and cant save Kyler on some throws like Hopkins would.

 

[SoonerLou]

I am not down on Green as much as some people are. Overall, he has been a good bit more asset than liability.

But one play Green does not see, and it is mystifying, is how when Murray is running and scrambling he doesn't make his way back towards the QB. In fact, he often just stops running altogether and just kind of stands around. A few times when this has happened Kyler has chucked the ball and Green has caught it for crucial plays.

It's almost like it is by design? But, I haven't seen anyone else do this like Green. Dhop doesn't do it. He either comes back or goes upfield.

Probabaly the 1st real mobile QB he's played with. And even then he struggled with that with Joe Burrow last year. Just think its age although he's been much better here. Maybe a 2nd year will be even better. Although there is a Larry like question if he just cant run anymore one day.

I think as long as Hopkins is healthy then Green will be better. So thats why Im ok with him back next year.

 

[DVontel]

Go after Wilson if Kirk's contract demands are too high? @DVontel

Would be cool with it.

 

[SoonerLou]

Wouldnt be surprised if AJ's agent asked Schefter to tweet this.

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We'll see if Kyler/Kliff will do him this solid. Brady/Arians did what they could for AB last year. Obviously went off the deep end this year, but was a good gesture by them.

Edit: Kirk is also 61 yards from 1000. Wonder if he has a bonus setup in his contract. Obviously the goal is the win first, but curious how Kyler approaches this.

 

[Stout]

And isn't part of the problem also that he's fighting for reps that Kirk gets? Kirk is certainly one of the better slot receivers in the league. I think Kirk playing so well is keeping Moore off the field to some degree.

Or maybe he can't handle the playbook for the longer routes, or isn't good enough to be more than a gadget player. Either way, burning a 2nd-rounder on a gadget player catching passes behind the LOS is not good.

 

[TheCardFan]

Dude can't be on this team next year.

How many key drops did he have in this game alone?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude is the definition of a paycheck player.

And probably cost himself 250K today.

 

[Stout]

Wow. Just wow. If we weren't so shallow at the position right now, I'd cut him before the playoffs.

 

[Harry]

He certainly had a bad game but his numbers for the year are decent

 

[TheCardFan]

He certainly had a bad game but his numbers for the year are decent

Why do we not put AJ Green under the same scrutiny as K1, KK, and other players?

Jeez - what about our LT?

 

[Russ Smith]

Just to be clear I've been a huge AJ Green fan his whole career. Last year when he was rumored to be available I said we should trade for him if it wasn't going to take too much.

But I just don't get him now that I see him playing regularly for a veteran player he just seems lost so often.

 

[Dayman]

He really fell apart after Hopkins went down. But even before that, he made so many inexplicable mistakes and faded in the clutch. He and Kyler are also rarely on the same page.

 

[Russ Smith]

He really fell apart after Hopkins went down. But even before that, he made so many inexplicable mistakes and faded in the clutch. He and Kyler are also rarely on the same page.

Yeah the 3rd down play where we threw to AJ instead of running you could see how mad Kyler was. He wasn't mad at himself he was mad at the route AJ ran. He threw the ball to the outside figuring Green would just turn around catch it first down, instead AJ tried go downfield and it was actually a play that could have been a picksix if the CB saw it earlier.