Somers Reports That Leinart Is Still The Starter

[Longcolts]

I agree with the rest of what you said, but nobody knows more than Rooster Cogburn about anything manly, and football is definitely manly.

And Marion did play college football for? You guessed it! USC!

 

[Cheesebeef]

That is just about the least insightful and most ridiculous point I have read on ASFN over the years.

nah. I still think Mitch's stance that during the 2003 season that besides Priest Holmes, there wasn't another running back in the league he'd want more than Marcel Shipp takes the cake on that one.

I said this in previous threads - for once, I have no idea on what the Cards should do with the starting QB position. So, for the first time in my life, I'll lie on the "the coaches know more than me, any decision they make I'll be fine with" sword. It hurts me to do it, but I sure as hell couldn't make this decision.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Then dont read it. Talk about whiny, my god. Go fix yourself up a manpon or something, because I haven't written anything outrageous here at all tonight.

Tone it down fellas.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I actually support ESPN on this...they seem to have a better understanding of what it takes to move an offense and win football games than our own head coach.

Mitch I love your posts. You are passionate, articulate and bring a great deal to this board. You think outside the box and I love it. I can't support you here though. This post is crazy. The minute you start thinking pundits and "journalists" who get paid to stir crap up just for ratings think they know better than the team, you should sit back and take a deep breath to collect your thoughts. That's like saying Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity know how to run this country better.

I understand your angst, we all do. We all want to win. We suffered long enough.The double standard does suck, but this situation is week to week. It's just the pre-season though. Who gives a rat's ass who the starter is. I have the fullest confidence Wiz and company will put the best team on the field week 1. Not only that, the supporting cast on offense and this D is good enough now to overcome most hurdles that may arise in the QB position.

This has been an exciting albeit crappy month be be a Card fan. I don't think anyone in here should be beating up on each other or the team.


This is actually good advice for all of us. Before any of us post on here regarding this situation ask yourself three questions
1. If you're a parent ask youself "Would I want my kid to read this and if they do, would they think I am a moron?"
2. "Would I want my parents to read this and if they do, would they think I am a moron?"
3. "When I sobor up would I want to read this, and if I do would I think I am a complete and utter jackass?"

If you answered yes to 1,2, or 3 take a deep breath have a beer (or another) and rethink your post. If you answered no go for it! But this coming from a guy with 1,500 posts and 1,499 have been pure crap! Maybe I should follow my own advice.

CAN I GET A LETS GO CARDS!

 

[cardsfanmd]

self-banning for the night

 

[SuperSpck]

1. If you're a parent ask youself "Would I want my kid to read this and if they do, would they think I am a moron?"
2. "Would I want my parents to read this and if they do, would they think I am a moron?"
3. "When I sobor up would I want to read this, and if I do would I think I am a complete and utter jackass?"

If you answered yes to 1,2, or 3 take a deep breath have a beer (or another) and rethink your post. If you answered no go for it!
CAN I GET A LETS GO CARDS!

Let's go Cards.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Let's go Cards.

That's the spirit bro!

 

[MrYeahBut]

Why Whiz has allowed this to fester and perpetuate is absolutely mind-boggling to me. Quite frankly, I've lost some respect for Whiz in how he's handled this...and it would be alright with me if he and Leinart went elsewhere and Russ Grimm took over.

EGAD....Mitch thinks Whiz is Denny Green in whiteface

 

[Carddan]

Success in the NFL is measured in wins & losses. A team's record year-to-year may be viewed as a barometer for the success of a team and coaching staff. If the number of wins in a season goes UP from the previous year, that means that the coaching staff led the team to an improved performance over the previous season, which generally indicates improvement in the team's play.

Since the average NFL coach would, statistically, tend to coach a team to identical record as the year before (indicating no significant improvement or decline), then a coach that drives a team to an improved record may be called successful, above average, effective etc.

The Cardinals were 6-10 in '06. In '07, Whisenhunt's first season, they were 8-8. That is a two-game improvement. Therefore, so far, he is a successful NFL head coach.

Hilarious stuff.

Fact check: 06' Cards were 5-11

I agree with your post however. The key this year is to win 9 or more. No AZ coach, and there have been a few, has done as well or better in their second year.

Oh, and for CT, Lets Go Cards!

 

[CtCardinals78]

Fact check: 06' Cards were 5-11

I agree with your post however. The key this year is to win 9 or more. No AZ coach, and there have been a few, has done as well or better in their second year.

Oh, and for CT, Lets Go Cards!

See it's catchy Dan!

9's the key, but why settle when you can overachieve.

 

[Carddan]

See it's catchy Dan!

9's the key, but why settle when you can overachieve.

9 is the minimum for improvement. I want the NFC West and 1st round homefield playoff game, so I won't be really happy at less than 10. If we improve this year, from then on it's all about the Super Bowl.

 

[TruColor]

Fact check: 06' Cards were 5-11

I agree with your post however. The key this year is to win 9 or more. No AZ coach, and there have been a few, has done as well or better in their second year.

Oh, and for CT, Lets Go Cards!

Going back to the St. Louis days, you had Don Coryell who went from 4-9-1 to 10-4-0 in his second season.

I'd settle for a 5 1/2 game improvement!

 

[Totally_Red]

After reading the entire eight pages of posts on this subject, here's my two cents worth...

1. Ken Whisenhunt and Todd Haley are in THE very best position to determine which quarterback gives the Arizona Cardinals football team the very best opportunity to defeat the San Francisco Forty-Niners football team on September 7th. I'll support their choice.

2. Both sides of this "discussion" are passionate about their views and present some valid points.

3. I strongly disagree with the trashing and/or discrediting of Chris Mortensen by some in this thread. What is Mortensen supposed to do, ignore his source and not report what he heard from that source? It's fine to disagree with him, but the guy gets paid well to report "inside information" and he is just doing his job. His report was nuanced to the point of saying "the expectation" was that Kurt Warner would be named the starter. Only Mortensen knows how reputable and reliable his source was. Don't shoot messenger!

4. It's always the most passionate folks who get the most worked up over these situations. Every one just take a deep breath and relax.

IMO, we have the best coaching staff in recent memory. Yeah, they aren't miracle workers and still can't solve the penalty issue, but....

there seems to a lot of talent on board,
coaches seem to know which players fit their schemes,
coaches seem able to "coach up" their young players,
injuries have been minimal so far,
the early games are very winnable IMO,
and excuse while I take a gulp of Kool-aid, the Birds will fly high in 2008

 

[ajcardfan]

This thread is awesome! I haven't read stuff this heated since the glory days of the "Does Jake Plummer or the Team Suck?" threads.


I'm with Skkorp. I don't care who trots out there on 9/7. I expect double digit wins and the playoffs either way.

 

[Carddan]

Going back to the St. Louis days, you had Don Coryell who went from 4-9-1 to 10-4-0 in his second season.

I'd settle for a 5 1/2 game improvement!

Right, he was the last Cardinals' coach to improve from year one to year two. What year was that, do you remember? I posted "AZ" coach for a reason. You St Louis Cardinal fans have me beat, I didn't become a true fan until they moved to my state.

 

[clif]

Thank God I had to work 14 freakin hours today. I probably would have blown a gasket with all the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth over in essence a "non" decision. All that came out of today was that nothing has changed and therefore alot of wasted bandwidth.

**Quick question when was the last time the Cardinals had this much of the preseason spotlight aside from the annual preseason hype of a team on the rise?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Remind me again what trait it is that made these 2 recievers Pro Bowlers? What is it about Boldin that we love so much here? I'm pretty sure it's not that they're great vertical threats because everyone is always commenting on their lack of speed and there was a lot of discussion this offseason about adding a true deep threat to the roster.

Call me crazy but I think a short passing attack fits this guy to a T.


This guy is pretty damn good at those intermediate routes. Nice 45 yard throw from Leinart at the 1:05 mark. I think he'll be just fine with Leinart.

that's what i was thinking. A short passing game is what this offense needs.We have no established downfield threat. Plus, Warner's never been a great downfield passer either. Most of his success came from intermediate routes as well. It's pretty hard to rely on mainly a vertical passing game and be successful in today's NFL. Maybe Al Davis will figure that out some day.

 

[TruColor]

Right, he was the last Cardinals' coach to improve from year one to year two. What year was that, do you remember? I posted "AZ" coach for a reason. You St Louis Cardinal fans have me beat, I didn't become a true fan until they moved to my state.

That was between 1973 and 1974.

1973 was the third straight 4-9-1 season for the Cards. No one saw a 10-4 record coming. And, they started out the '74 season 7-0.

This current team has the potential (yeah, I hate that word too) to be a whole lot better than those Coryell teams...especially on defense - those '70s teams had horrific defenses, which is why they never got out of the first round of the playoffs.

 

[Capital Card]

Oh no...Matt is going to start the 4th preseason game. How unfair! Kurt will be left totally unprepared for the regular season because he isn't going to get to play, what is it usually, one series against Denver?

I'm really surprised at the meltdown going on in here, especially given that Warner may still be named the starter before the 49ers game. Or have we all changed our calendars to match Anquan's, in that the season actually began once the team had to take their physical before camp opened?

I'm of the opinion that the main goal of preseason is for teams to find out what they have in their new/young players. Isn't that what were doing with Matt right now? Seeing if he can handle the pressure of being the guy? He stunk up the field in Oakland (considering their fans, that is really quite an acomplishment). Let's see how he responds to that.

I want to know if Leinart can shake off his past week and lead the team down the field on the opening series against Denver's 1st team defense. Matt has huge pressure on him right now, let's see how he handles it. Good or bad, Kurt may still be the starter on opening day. We're not going to learn anything from him playing one series in Denver. As for Matt, he is still very much a mystery to me.

Go Cards!!!

 

[cardsfanmd]

How can one not read it? Every thread on the board is either flat out Warner v. Leinart or polluted with it after the fact.

Again I ask, what the hell has Leinart done good or bad to deserve such vitriolic responses and waaaaaaaay over the top attention? He hasn't been stellar, and he hasn't sucked. You would think he killed the last woman on earth the way some people are going at him for a crappy half of preseason football.

What was so horrible that I said?????????????????????

You cant find one post of mine riding Leinart for the Oakland game. In fact, I said that I wasn't going to blame him a bit for that game because the Raiders have the best secondary in the game IMO and we didn't watch any film on them.

 

[cardsloco]

After reading the entire eight pages of posts on this subject, here's my two cents worth...

1. Ken Whisenhunt and Todd Haley are in THE very best position to determine which quarterback gives the Arizona Cardinals football team the very best opportunity to defeat the San Francisco Forty-Niners football team on September 7th. I'll support their choice.

2. Both sides of this "discussion" are passionate about their views and present some valid points.

3. I strongly disagree with the trashing and/or discrediting of Chris Mortensen by some in this thread. What is Mortensen supposed to do, ignore his source and not report what he heard from that source? It's fine to disagree with him, but the guy gets paid well to report "inside information" and he is just doing his job. His report was nuanced to the point of saying "the expectation" was that Kurt Warner would be named the starter. Only Mortensen knows how reputable and reliable his source was. Don't shoot messenger!

4. It's always the most passionate folks who get the most worked up over these situations. Every one just take a deep breath and relax.

IMO, we have the best coaching staff in recent memory. Yeah, they aren't miracle workers and still can't solve the penalty issue, but....

there seems to a lot of talent on board,
coaches seem to know which players fit their schemes,
coaches seem able to "coach up" their young players,
injuries have been minimal so far,
the early games are very winnable IMO,
and excuse while I take a gulp of Kool-aid, the Birds will fly high in 2008

Good post!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I actually support ESPN on this...they seem to have a better understanding of what it takes to move an offense and win football games than our own head coach.

LOL

Mitch didn't you just write a thread that championed the genius of Wiz. And now because he benched a guy you like you question all his credibility.

You also wrote about Warner finishing the season strong and this is where his numbers took the beiggest spikes because he had like 7 TD's and few TO's. Well those games were meaningless. He's AROD can you and CC see that? If he would have started all those games that Matt supposedly "messed up for him" then he wold have lost those critical ones too. That's just his M.O.

To me Warner is the better QB on the road. But for this team and the "offense" you speak of (just because we have Boldin and Fitz doesn't mean Wiz wants to run the GSOT) Leinart is the play. He had a bad game but I bet against Denver at home he has a stellar game.

If not then start Warner. But if he does I can guaran-damn-tee you that you Pro Warner guys will be saying "oh well its against the scrubs"

Hes a young guy. He doesn't play well on the road yet. I think he deserves the chance to grow in to that.

And Wiz is a god send for this team. I will not have this anarachy and disparaging of his name.

 

[cardsfanmd]

LOL

Mitch didn't you just write a thread that championed the genius of Wiz. And now because he benched a guy you like you question all his credibility.

You also wrote about Warner finishing the season strong and this is where his numbers took the beiggest spikes because he had like 7 TD's and few TO's. Well those games were meaningless. He's AROD can you and CC see that? If he would have started all those games that Matt supposedly "messed up for him" then he wold have lost those critical ones too. That's just his M.O.

To me Warner is the better QB on the road. But for this team and the "offense" you speak of (just because we have Boldin and Fitz doesn't mean Wiz wants to run the GSOT) Leinart is the play. He had a bad game but I bet against Denver at home he has a stellar game.

If not then start Warner. But if he does I can guaran-damn-tee you that you Pro Warner guys will be saying "oh well its against the scrubs"

Hes a young guy. He doesn't play well on the road yet. I think he deserves the chance to grow in to that.

And Wiz is a god send for this team. I will not have this anarachy and disparaging of his name.

Great post.

 

[CarterAZ]

The official “beat a dead horse” until it tastes like chicken post…

After watching Whis’ interview on the whole Matt dealio, for the first time I think he stretched the spin too much… there’s no way to put a kind face to what Matt did last Saturday night… bad routes, bad decisions, bahhhhh… it was simply horrible and indefensible IMO, and to say he’s still your starter seems almost laughable. But I’ll acquiesce and try to remain positive since the man is closer to the action on a daily basis… and what else can be said about it, really?

But if he sticks with Matt, and the dude that showed up last Saturday is what we have to lead the effort against the 49’ers, then I’d hate to be a crow and a crockpot around the Cardinals facility… because they’re gonna get worked hard and served with a side of “What the hell were you thinking?”

P.S. To Russ… Watched that play with Q last night again, and I think your take is 100% correct… I stand corrected, sir.

 

[cardsloco]

LOL

Mitch didn't you just write a thread that championed the genius of Wiz. And now because he benched a guy you like you question all his credibility.

You also wrote about Warner finishing the season strong and this is where his numbers took the beiggest spikes because he had like 7 TD's and few TO's. Well those games were meaningless. He's AROD can you and CC see that? If he would have started all those games that Matt supposedly "messed up for him" then he wold have lost those critical ones too. That's just his M.O.

To me Warner is the better QB on the road. But for this team and the "offense" you speak of (just because we have Boldin and Fitz doesn't mean Wiz wants to run the GSOT) Leinart is the play. He had a bad game but I bet against Denver at home he has a stellar game.

If not then start Warner. But if he does I can guaran-damn-tee you that you Pro Warner guys will be saying "oh well its against the scrubs"

Hes a young guy. He doesn't play well on the road yet. I think he deserves the chance to grow in to that.

And Wiz is a god send for this team. I will not have this anarachy and disparaging of his name.

I am not taking sides here, but if he has a stellar game against Denver, it will be against their back-ups. Also the logic of he can't play on the road will kill us, as 8 games are on the road. We went 6-2 at home last year and sat out the playoffs. We must win 4 road games this year to get in the playoffs. We can't afford to let someone learn on the job, because this should be a playoff team. Do I agree he can't play on the road, I don't know, but he hasn't looked good on the road so far this year. I don't care who starts, but if we lose either of the two first games because of QB play, I am going to go ballistic. We have two guys that should be able to play without killing us, I trust Wiz to play the one that gives a best chance to win now. Last thing I think our future is now so which ever QB he chooses is our quarterback of the future.