Spiderman has a heart problem??

[pete]

No, pete. That's not what I said. What I said was that Larry Fitzgerald right now is not doing anything different or more specactular than Poole or Williams. None of them are getting separation. None of them are getting yards after the catch. None of them are scoring TDs. What, based on what's going on right now on the field, is the difference between these players? As far as I can see, nothing besides a flea-flicker possibly designed to make Fitz look good.

What's the off-field difference between the players? About $15 million. What are we paying for? Fitzgerald, we were told all through camp and before the draft, was a "polished" finished product. Is this as good as it gets?

Expectations are higher for Fitz than the other WRs on the roster. That's what you get for being the #3 overall pick in a draft rife with wideouts. I'm not seeing what makes him special. Please, tell me.

This is exactly what you said:

On the other hand, I see four or five WRs on the roster who can probably do the exact same thing that Larry Fitzgerlad is doing. Honestly, I think that Larry's hands are being totally overrated here. C'mon, hands? Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson dropped tons of balls last season, but their team made the playoffs. Why? Because they're big play threats.

Who said Fitz was a polished, finished product? Some ******* draft analyst? I remember Green saying he was the best player in the draft, period. Fitz will only get better and he's only 20! As far as skills, was there another WR in the draft that even came close to having his type of hands or collegiate performance? Sure, RW was faster, but he has a history of being a cream puff. In fact, I bet if RW had taken the type of beating Fitz did from NE, he'd probably be on IR. You know its true.

 

[Harpo]

Man, when I saw that Spiderman had a heart problem, I was afraid that Andre Rison was having a problem with his heart and that his CFL days would be numbered. Thank goodness he's ok

 

[Russ Smith]

Who said Fitz was a polished, finished product? Some ******* draft analyst? I remember Green saying he was the best player in the draft, period. Fitz will only get better and he's only 20! As far as skills, was there another WR in the draft that even came close to having his type of hands or collegiate performance? Sure, RW was faster, but he has a history of being a cream puff. In fact, I bet if RW had taken the type of beating Fitz did from NE, he'd probably be on IR. You know its true.

Dennis Green did, a number of times. Said Fitz was the most polished player in the draft. If you think DG is a ******* call his show and tell him. there are reams of articles where he talks about Larry at 13 fielding punts from NFL punters better than anybody on his roster but moss. That as a junior in highschool he was good enough to play in the NFL. There's also quotes from numerous other teams like the Steelers about how Fitz was so much more polished than your typical college WR he was a combination of genetics and upbringing.

Walt harris said Fitz started slowly as a freshman until they put the fade pattern back into their game as a big part of the offense, over the last 19 games of his career he had 31 td catches, many on the fade. Harris said Fitz is better at that pattern than anybody he's ever seen at any level.

Hell I found an article that suggested the reason the NFL let Fitz in unchallenged is that so many NFL people felt he was obviously ready physically and mentally it made no sense for them to oppose him. that was from a Pittsburgh writer who suggested someone in the Steeler organization had floated the idea.

I even found quotes from Green about how he needed an immediate impact player to reach the playoffs and Fitz was the only one in this draft.

There's no question Green expected more from Fitz than he's getting, the question is why, ankle, OL, McCown, all of the above?

 

[clif]

There's no question Green expected more from Fitz than he's getting, the question is why, ankle, OL, McCown, all of the above?

my money is on this one

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Is lazy a character thing or not?

I remember RW, while at UT, showing up his QB on the field a few times (Enough that the TV announcers commented on it).

But certainly he was never in trouble with the law. I did not mean to imply that. Just some minor stuff.

Anyway, long way to go in 04' guys. Denny's working his tail off trying to right the ship on offense.

Could we get Fitz on some crossing patterns? You know, over the middle like Quan got last year?

 

[Russ Smith]

Is lazy a character thing or not?

I remember RW, while at UT, showing up his QB on the field a few times (Enough that the TV announcers commented on it).

But certainly he was never in trouble with the law. I did not mean to imply that. Just some minor stuff.

Anyway, long way to go in 04' guys. Denny's working his tail off trying to right the ship on offense.

Could we get Fitz on some crossing patterns? You know, over the middle like Quan got last year?

OK misunderstood you. to me character meant more than lazy. and I don't think he WAS lazy, he's just one of those long guys who seems to be coasting as he's flying by guys on the field. People suggested he took plays off or didn't seem to be running all out at times, I never really agreed with that but I didn't see every Texas game.

I think the lack of plays over the middle is by design, last year we used the middle a LOT, and it resulted in a lot of deflected picks, fumbles by WRs, and headaches from guys knocked out by waiting safeties. I think Green decided his QB and WR's probably weren't ready to do that sort of thing, especially with Quan out, the middle was his specialty.

To be honest I hope when Quan is back he's not working the middle as much, as great as he is I'd like to see him live to the age of 30, the beating he took last year concerned me a lot. I can't recall a rookie wideout ever being that tough over the middle.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think the lack of plays over the middle is by design, last year we used the middle a LOT, and it resulted in a lot of deflected picks, fumbles by WRs, and headaches from guys knocked out by waiting safeties. I think Green decided his QB and WR's probably weren't ready to do that sort of thing, especially with Quan out, the middle was his specialty.

To be honest I hope when Quan is back he's not working the middle as much, as great as he is I'd like to see him live to the age of 30, the beating he took last year concerned me a lot. I can't recall a rookie wideout ever being that tough over the middle.

Now those are some good points. Hopefully our OC can find a happy medium between getting our players the ball "in space", and receiver longevity.

 

[CaptTurbo]

wow largest thread i ever started. Dont even feel like reading half of it lol.


Did we solve anything here?

 

[jstadvl]

I'm pretty

sure it's his ankle. I'll talk to some folks today, if i get the time, and see if I can get a whisper. Maybe,he should stop doing the extra work, after practice. Rest his leg?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

wow largest thread i ever started. Dont even feel like reading half of it lol.


Did we solve anything here?

Nah...

1. Fitz has no heart and is not finishing routes.
2. Cards should have drafted Roy Williams
3. Steven Jackson should have been taken at #3
4. WE NEED A WIN BADLY SO WE CAN STOP FIGHTING OVER STUPID STUFF!


That should just about sum it up.....

 

[Pariah]

Nah...

1. Fitz has no heart and is not finishing routes.
2. Cards should have drafted Roy Williams
3. Steven Jackson should have been taken at #3
4. WE NEED A WIN BADLY SO WE CAN STOP FIGHTING OVER STUPID STUFF!


That should just about sum it up.....

Jeez, LV, this is like arguing with my wife. Making genrealizations out of everything.

1. The report was that Fitz isn't finishing his routes, noto coming back to the QB when he's in trouble. People are asking wht that might be, and one possibilty brought up is that he is loafing.
2. Yeah, this one's pretty accurate--I DO still think RW would have been a better pick at #3.
3. If you'll actually read what people have to say, they were advocating a trade down to get Jackson (and also picking up a WR such as Evans with the additional pick we would have gained from the trade). Doesn't soun so bad, to me.
4. Amen, brotha.

I think you'll also find that most people who are proponants of points #2 and #3 above are also saying that Fitz is playing pretty well, and for the most part they're happy that he's on the team. It's the camp of "Fitz can do no wrong" that is making this such a back and white issue.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Nah...

1. Fitz has no heart and is not finishing routes.
2. Cards should have drafted Roy Williams
3. Steven Jackson should have been taken at #3
4. WE NEED A WIN BADLY SO WE CAN STOP FIGHTING OVER STUPID STUFF!


That should just about sum it up.....

Thx LV thats 15 minutes of my life I can spend staring at the wall or other more constructive stuff!

 

[Russ Smith]

wow largest thread i ever started. Dont even feel like reading half of it lol.


Did we solve anything here?

4 pages ago we ended the nurses strike in the bay area, you gotta pay closer attention.

 

[Russ Smith]

sure it's his ankle. I'll talk to some folks today, if i get the time, and see if I can get a whisper. Maybe,he should stop doing the extra work, after practice. Rest his leg?

I would hope the extra week of rest with the bye coming up soon will make a big difference, they can do extra rehab work on the ankle.

 

[pete]

Dennis Green did, a number of times. Said Fitz was the most polished player in the draft. If you think DG is a ******* call his show and tell him. there are reams of articles where he talks about Larry at 13 fielding punts from NFL punters better than anybody on his roster but moss. That as a junior in highschool he was good enough to play in the NFL. There's also quotes from numerous other teams like the Steelers about how Fitz was so much more polished than your typical college WR he was a combination of genetics and upbringing.

Walt harris said Fitz started slowly as a freshman until they put the fade pattern back into their game as a big part of the offense, over the last 19 games of his career he had 31 td catches, many on the fade. Harris said Fitz is better at that pattern than anybody he's ever seen at any level.

Hell I found an article that suggested the reason the NFL let Fitz in unchallenged is that so many NFL people felt he was obviously ready physically and mentally it made no sense for them to oppose him. that was from a Pittsburgh writer who suggested someone in the Steeler organization had floated the idea.

I even found quotes from Green about how he needed an immediate impact player to reach the playoffs and Fitz was the only one in this draft.

There's no question Green expected more from Fitz than he's getting, the question is why, ankle, OL, McCown, all of the above?

Polished? Yes. Finished product? No. I've never heard Green call Fitz or any other player a "polished, finished product". It you can dig up an exact quote by Green on that, I will stand corrected. I bet what Green meant when he said Fitz was "polished" was that he thought Fitz was the most skilled WR in the draft. As far as overall skill, I agreed with him then and I still do now.

Saying Fitz has come up short at this point just because another player that people liked has done better, after a meager 3 games, is a shortsighted joke. Fitz has done fine considering the lame offense that he is operating in right now. You fix McCown and the O line, you fix many of the things people are slamming Fitz for too.

 

[Russ Smith]

Polished? Yes. Finished product? No. I've never heard Green call Fitz or any other player a "polished, finished product". It you can dig up an exact quote by Green on that, I will stand corrected. I bet what Green meant when he said Fitz was "polished" was that he thought Fitz was the most skilled WR in the draft. As far as overall skill, I agreed with him then and I still do now.

Saying Fitz has come up short at this point just because another player that people liked has done better, after a meager 3 games, is a shortsighted joke. Fitz has done fine considering the lame offense that he is operating in right now. You fix McCown and the O line, you fix many of the things people are slamming Fitz for too.

I don't think ANY player in the NFL is a finished product, including Fitz, but Green said repeatedly he was NFL ready, so the idea this his slow start is because of his age or 3 games of NFL experience is entirely counter to what Green said we should expect from him.

Yes I agree the offense is lame, McCown and the O line have a lot to do with it.

Hopefully the 16 yard pass play from King to Fitz is a sign of what he would be doing if Josh were running the offense better.

Nobody is "slamming" Fitz, nobody here thinks he sucks, I think what we're saying is that Green, because of his relationship with larry and his father, completely overlooked other prospects who may have actually helped this team win more quickly.

Green made the mistake of fixating on one guy right away, for reasons not just related to his football ability. Many teams agreed with him on Fitz, many didn't, seems pretty natural to me to question if he made the best pick or not?

FYI, if I were a Cowboy fan I'd be wondering why Parcells took Jones over Jackson too, I worked with a guy who did just that for months.

All I personally am saying is so far Fitz is not even the best receiver from this draft, let alone the best player, and the argument that he's inexperienced is a bit specious given ALL rookies are inexperienced, and the single biggest edge he was supposed to have, was his growing up around the NFL had him much better prepared to make the jump than most incoming rookies.

 

[kerouac9]

So you want to forget about years of college stats for ROOKIES and base everything on 3 games as a pro? LOL hold on let me wipe the tears....

Umm yeah....ok...thats unfair. They have played three games and yet RW is a stud but they have played 20 college games and b/c Fitz had great numbers you choose to ignore that? Once again brilliant

Oh and btw the whole "He played Miami and got shut down by a corner" has been debunked now about 30 times, but of course your narrow view wont allow you to grasp that.

You are so predictable K9 it 's funny. You latch onto players and just wont let them go-no matter what happens.. Vick, Levar Fischer, Adrian Wilson, and now RW. Just like you had excuses for Vicks play Sunday, you will have excuses for Fitz if he has a great 'breakout' game.
It couldnt possibley be him (like it couldnt have possibly been the Cards defense that shut down the almighty Vick) it must of been because the cornerback he was playing against was hurt, or blah blah blah...yada,yada,yada


Tired and weak.

This is such freaking hogwash. I expect better from you, LV.

I don't choose to ignore the college numbers. They were relevant in looking at the draft prospects. Again, a lot of players had great college careers (that kid who was drafted by the Chiefs... Snoop Minnis, springs to mind) and go on to do little in the NFL. The college game is over. Now we can look at what guys are actually doing on the NFL field of play. Look at what Larry has done so far. Can you really say that we haven't been sold a bill of goods on this guy? Larry was supposedly drafted to take the pressure off Josh McCown, by making plays. He's not doing that. Remember all that stuff we heard in the preseason about Larry looking more game-ready than Anquan did as a rookie? Where's all that now?

As for the rest, BS. I said that Vick had a bad game on Sunday. Multiple times. Adrian Wilson is turning it around, and was one of the top three defensive performers last Sunday. Boy, how wrong I was to pimp that guy. And I'm still cheering for Levar Fisher. Do I want him to be started as soon as he's healthy? No. I think that he can earn his way on the field, and don't think that people should close the casket on his career quite yet. It's not like you've never pimped a young, underperforming player (***cough-cough Calvin Pace cough-cough***).

And if you really think that I want Larry Fitzgerald to fail. That's offensive. If Larry has a breakout game, I'll be excited. Because that probably means that the Cardinals won. The fact that I think that Roy Williams was and remains the better pick at WR, or that we shouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald and could have drafted three or four other guys instead and it would have helped the team more, has no basis on weather or not I'm cheering the guy now that he's wearing Cardinal Red. So F off.

 

[pete]

Nobody is "slamming" Fitz, nobody here thinks he sucks, I think what we're saying is that Green, because of his relationship with larry and his father, completely overlooked other prospects who may have actually helped this team win more quickly.

Green made the mistake of fixating on one guy right away, for reasons not just related to his football ability. Many teams agreed with him on Fitz, many didn't, seems pretty natural to me to question if he made the best pick or not?

OK, so you had a beef with the family relationship thing and now you are using the fact that another rookie WR has better stats after only 3 games to justify your position. I still think that is a pretty shortsighted view.

Given the state of the rest of the offense, I see no other player in the draft that would have more of an offensive impact than Fitz has had after 3 games. WR is not the problem. O line and QB are the problems right now and will continue to be the problem until they pull their heads out and start meeting expectations. It wouldn't make a difference if Roy Williams, Stephen Jackson, or any other player that the Cards could have selected were playing instead of Fitz. Until McCown and the O line start playing up to the expected level, the skill players don't have much of chance to play to their expected levels either and that goes for Fitz, Emmitt, BJ, Williams, and the rest. After all, it is a team sport, and offensively, the team sucks right now.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Jeez, LV, this is like arguing with my wife. Making genrealizations out of everything.

1. The report was that Fitz isn't finishing his routes, noto coming back to the QB when he's in trouble. People are asking wht that might be, and one possibilty brought up is that he is loafing.
2. Yeah, this one's pretty accurate--I DO still think RW would have been a better pick at #3.
3. If you'll actually read what people have to say, they were advocating a trade down to get Jackson (and also picking up a WR such as Evans with the additional pick we would have gained from the trade). Doesn't soun so bad, to me.
4. Amen, brotha.

I think you'll also find that most people who are proponants of points #2 and #3 above are also saying that Fitz is playing pretty well, and for the most part they're happy that he's on the team. It's the camp of "Fitz can do no wrong" that is making this such a back and white issue.

Sweeping Generalizations but true. The first one is the one I am most concerned about. I have a hard time with this. I dont know Fitz obviously but I have hard time believing it since everything ever written about him was in stark contrast to that report. I have feeling he is stillhurt and is trying to play through it.

Number two...well we all have our own opinions. Only time will tell.

Number three. First off 'trading down' is not something you can just choose to do, you have to have a willing participant. Second, had I traded down looking for a RB it would have been like Dallas did to the second round and gotten Bell, Turner, or Julius Jones. Thats just me. I dont think that any of them are any better and Dallas got a steal trading down at draft time. And just like Parcells and Mariucci I dont feel like Jackson or Jones is any better than the three mentioned earlier.

I dont know who is saying Fitz can do no wrong. Its mostly people saying he is no better than Poole or Newhouse that gets me. Or people saying he is lazy, loafing, or is not good any where except the red zone. That what gets my goat!!!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

This is such freaking hogwash. I expect better from you, LV.

I don't choose to ignore the college numbers. They were relevant in looking at the draft prospects. Again, a lot of players had great college careers (that kid who was drafted by the Chiefs... Snoop Minnis, springs to mind) and go on to do little in the NFL. The college game is over. Now we can look at what guys are actually doing on the NFL field of play. Look at what Larry has done so far. Can you really say that we haven't been sold a bill of goods on this guy? Larry was supposedly drafted to take the pressure off Josh McCown, by making plays. He's not doing that. Remember all that stuff we heard in the preseason about Larry looking more game-ready than Anquan did as a rookie? Where's all that now?

As for the rest, BS. I said that Vick had a bad game on Sunday. Multiple times. Adrian Wilson is turning it around, and was one of the top three defensive performers last Sunday. Boy, how wrong I was to pimp that guy. And I'm still cheering for Levar Fisher. Do I want him to be started as soon as he's healthy? No. I think that he can earn his way on the field, and don't think that people should close the casket on his career quite yet. It's not like you've never pimped a young, underperforming player (***cough-cough Calvin Pace cough-cough***).

And if you really think that I want Larry Fitzgerald to fail. That's offensive. If Larry has a breakout game, I'll be excited. Because that probably means that the Cardinals won. The fact that I think that Roy Williams was and remains the better pick at WR, or that we shouldn't have drafted Larry Fitzgerald and could have drafted three or four other guys instead and it would have helped the team more, has no basis on weather or not I'm cheering the guy now that he's wearing Cardinal Red. So F off.

1. I have no problme with anyone thinking RW is good, better than Fitz or what have you. You probably had that opinion last year pre draft and by all accounts I wont be able to change your mind now. I am not trying to.

2. The only problem I have is when you say Fitz has no more talent than the likes of Poole Newhouse whatever. I have a problem with people bashing him because I feel it is unwaranted, not true, and libelous. Every report about Fitz is in stark contrast to the supposed Cards source who says he is loafing, not finishing routes, whatever. But that somehow has opened the flood gates to this ridiculous tide of Fitz bashing that I dont understand.

3. As far as college numbers, I will not bring them up once there are enough games to start judging in the NFL. 3 games does not a career make. If you dont want to use college numbers K9 than you should also quick bring up that BS about Miami shutting him down. Its not true, has been debunked, and its college play-so it shouldn't matter.

4. I dont knwo how you can say we were sold a bill of goods on this guy. What the hell do you expect? Quan like numbers from a bad offense, with a bad QB (yes Blake would be better right now!) with a bad offensive line, first year offense, new coachig staff, and no running game or complimentery wr's? And he STILL has 14 catches and he is still on Pace for 75 and 800 yards. Jesus man, enough already!


Oh and BTW, you do know Fischer was cut dont you?

 

[Russ Smith]

This is such freaking hogwash. I expect better from you, LV.

I don't choose to ignore the college numbers. They were relevant in looking at the draft prospects. Again, a lot of players had great college careers (that kid who was drafted by the Chiefs... Snoop Minnis, springs to mind) and go on to do little in the NFL. The college game is over. Now we can look at what guys are actually doing on the NFL field of play. Look at what Larry has done so far. Can you really say that we haven't been sold a bill of goods on this guy? Larry was supposedly drafted to take the pressure off Josh McCown, by making plays. He's not doing that. Remember all that stuff we heard in the preseason about Larry looking more game-ready than Anquan did as a rookie? Where's all that now?

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2 good examples of great college numbers to pro performance are Troy Walters from Stanford and Troy Edwards. Both had set numerous school or college records. Both have been role players in the NFL.

The book on Walters was too small, he too was the son of a coach, ironically with ties to Green, and he's been productive but too small.

Edwards shattered college records, he had 27 TD catches and 31 TD's total as a senior. THe catches tied jerry Rice's single season record, the TD's led to 188 total points, only Barry Sanders scored more in a single season.

Louisiana Tech was below Pitt in schedule, but Edwards had some MONSTER games against good talent. Against Nebraska he went off for 21 catched, 405 yards and 3 TD's, in a SINGLE game!!!!! Scored 56 TD's in his career and was considered the best run after catch WR to come along in quite awhile.
Scouts again questioned his size (5'10") and speed but he was a first round pick because he did so well in college.

Obviously Fitz is much taller than either guy so physical size and strength is not an issue, speed and quickness is the question.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

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FYI, if I were a Cowboy fan I'd be wondering why Parcells took Jones over Jackson too, I worked with a guy who did just that for months.

Why? Jackson has talent but he is not head and shoulders above any of the other first two round backs. He hasnt proven he can catch or block out of the backfield and doesnt have the wiggle that Jones, or Bell have. He is 6'2 so he runs upright and really gets hit when he is tackled.

I know it isnt popular on this board but frankly Jackson is not that good. (and his family live right around the corner form me BTW) By all accounts he was the #2 back in a weak running back draft.

Plus with the steal Dallas got it was a no brainer for them to take the trade down!

 

[kerouac9]

2. The only problem I have is when you say Fitz has no more talent than the likes of Poole Newhouse whatever. I have a problem with people bashing him because I feel it is unwaranted, not true, and libelous. Every report about Fitz is in stark contrast to the supposed Cards source who says he is loafing, not finishing routes, whatever. But that somehow has opened the flood gates to this ridiculous tide of Fitz bashing that I dont understand.

Oh and BTW, you do know Fischer was cut dont you?

Show me where I said that Fitz has the same amount of talent as Reggie Newhouse or Nate Poole. What I said was that I haven't seen him do anything more than what Poole or Karl Williams has been doing. You'd be disappointed if a #1 drafted runningback was only performing on the same level as Marcel Shipp. Well, right now, I don't see Larry Fitzgerald and all his talent doing anything that anyone else on the roster can't do. That's what's troubling to me. What has he done that's separated him from the rest of the WRs on the roster? Besides have a guaranteeed $15 million contract.

Libel is saying something that's untrue based on evidence. There's no evidence to suggest that Larry Fitzgerald has been the most ordinary of wide recievers over his first four games. Prove me wrong.

I didn't know that Fisher was cut. Too bad. I thought the kid had promise. When did this happen?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

This is such freaking hogwash. I expect better from you, LV.

I don't choose to ignore the college numbers. They were relevant in looking at the draft prospects. Again, a lot of players had great college careers (that kid who was drafted by the Chiefs... Snoop Minnis, springs to mind) and go on to do little in the NFL. The college game is over. Now we can look at what guys are actually doing on the NFL field of play. Look at what Larry has done so far. Can you really say that we haven't been sold a bill of goods on this guy? Larry was supposedly drafted to take the pressure off Josh McCown, by making plays. He's not doing that. Remember all that stuff we heard in the preseason about Larry looking more game-ready than Anquan did as a rookie? Where's all that now?

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2 good examples of great college numbers to pro performance are Troy Walters from Stanford and Troy Edwards. Both had set numerous school or college records. Both have been role players in the NFL.

The book on Walters was too small, he too was the son of a coach, ironically with ties to Green, and he's been productive but too small.

Edwards shattered college records, he had 27 TD catches and 31 TD's total as a senior. THe catches tied jerry Rice's single season record, the TD's led to 188 total points, only Barry Sanders scored more in a single season.

Louisiana Tech was below Pitt in schedule, but Edwards had some MONSTER games against good talent. Against Nebraska he went off for 21 catched, 405 yards and 3 TD's, in a SINGLE game!!!!! Scored 56 TD's in his career and was considered the best run after catch WR to come along in quite awhile.
Scouts again questioned his size (5'10") and speed but he was a first round pick because he did so well in college.

Obviously Fitz is much taller than either guy so physical size and strength is not an issue, speed and quickness is the question.

And LT had great college numbers and is a great NFL back

Ditto for Randy Moss

Ditto for Peyton Manning

Ditto for Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders, and so on

Whats your point? That busts happen? Of course they do!

 

[Russ Smith]

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FYI, if I were a Cowboy fan I'd be wondering why Parcells took Jones over Jackson too, I worked with a guy who did just that for months.

Why? Jackson has talent but he is not head and shoulders above any of the other first two round backs. He hasnt proven he can catch or block out of the backfield and doesnt have the wiggle that Jones, or Bell have. He is 6'2 so he runs upright and really gets hit when he is tackled.

I know it isnt popular on this board but frankly Jackson is not that good. (and his family live right around the corner form me BTW) By all accounts he was the #2 back in a weak running back draft.

Plus with the steal Dallas got it was a no brainer for them to take the trade down!

Jones is smaller, he had all kinds of personality issues in college, he was actually suspended from the team, that all bugged me. Jackson is bigger, was quite effective out of the backfield in college, averaged about 10 yards per catch. He's a good student, didn't have problems in school. And he's only 21 , Jones is 2 years older.

Don't get me wrong Jones has a lot of talent, but to me Jackson was the better RB.