Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

[Covert Rain]

eh

I want to know how Chewie freaking missed. He's not a Storm-Trooper with zero aim. He's freaking Chewie shooting at a standing target for pete's sake!

Don't even get me started on Leia rushing over to hug Rey, a perfect stranger and not even saying a word to Chewie after Han's death.

I really liked Rogue One but all the Star Wars movies have gaping plot holes and ridiculous moments. TFA for sure didn't feel as original but outside the actions sequences Rogue One was a little empty.

Rogue one had character issues. I basically cared about zero of the characters. Some things were bad like Vader's line about choking on ambitions. Rogue one while creating some continuity destroyed continuity in other ways. For example the awesome Darth Vader we see at the end of Rogue One that evaporates into a stick pushing old man in his duel with Obi Wan days later. It has always stuck out to me how bad that duel was. Now it's 100 times worse for me.

Won't rehash Toy Story Leia and Tarkin was OK but they overused it IMO.

The music was beyond pedestrian and using title cards to introduce planets combined with the music make this feel like any old space movie verses Star Wars.

Don't get me started on the mega data drive that in turn had to be transmitted on the huge radar dish so that it could then be received by one ship yet transferred to the credit card size data file. Really?!!?

What about the "master switch" literally being a big switch?

I could get nitpicky about all the movies. It's Star Wars. Give me more. Loved TFA and loved Rogue One but both were equally flawed IMO in their own ways.

 

[Bert]

eh

I want to know how Chewie freaking missed. He's not a Storm-Trooper with zero aim. He's freaking Chewie shooting at a standing target for pete's sake!

Don't even get me started on Leia rushing over to hug Rey, a perfect stranger and not even saying a word to Chewie after Han's death.

I thought she blew Chewie off twice in that movie and I thought it was weird immediately lol.

He comes up and hugs her and she just kindof aknowledges him and then moves on to make eyes with Han. I'm like dang not even a; Hi Chewie!

Maybe something that we dont know about went down between them when her and Han broke up and now the tension is just too much.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I thought she blew Chewie off twice in that movie and I thought it was weird immediately lol.

He comes up and hugs her and she just kindof aknowledges him and then moves on to make eyes with Han. I'm like dang not even a; Hi Chewie!

Maybe something that we dont know about went down between them when her and Han broke up and now the tension is just too much.

For me it was just the opposite. The first time she sees Chewie she warmly hugs him and greets him. After Han was gone she ignored Chewie completely and went right for Rey. The reason the second scene sticks out so much is because of the first scene.

 

[Stout]

eh

I want to know how Chewie freaking missed. He's not a Storm-Trooper with zero aim. He's freaking Chewie shooting at a standing target for pete's sake!

Don't even get me started on Leia rushing over to hug Rey, a perfect stranger and not even saying a word to Chewie after Han's death.

Chewie hit him but didn't kill him. I'd say that's because he was a wee bit emotional at the time.

As for TFA and Rogue One: TFA wasn't 1/10 the movie Rogue One was. I mean, there's not even a comparison for me.

 

[stewdog1]

Don't even get me started on Leia rushing over to hug Rey, a perfect stranger and not even saying a word to Chewie after Han's death.

I have a theory about that. I think Rey is her daughter. As she knew about the Falcon, and hit it off with Han pretty quick.

I think something happened with Luke and the Jedi and the whatever it was, caused them not to remember each other. But they still have a bond they don't know why.

But don't get me started on Kylo/Ben. Ben was Luke's son in the books, and I really hated they did that. Should have just called Kylo and Rey, Jacen and Jaina and call it a day.

 

[Stout]

I have a theory about that. I think Rey is her daughter. As she knew about the Falcon, and hit it off with Han pretty quick.

I think something happened with Luke and the Jedi and the whatever it was, caused them not to remember each other. But they still have a bond they don't know why.

But don't get me started on Kylo/Ben. Ben was Luke's son in the books, and I really hated they did that. Should have just called Kylo and Rey, Jacen and Jaina and call it a day.

I'd walk out of the theater if that is revealed. That would be some seriously weak tea.

Let's be realistic. They've pretty much revealed that Luke is her father.

 

[Covert Rain]

I'd walk out of the theater if that is revealed. That would be some seriously weak tea.

Let's be realistic. They've pretty much revealed that Luke is her father.

Honestly the majority of books were total crap with a few exceptions. One they are no longer part of canon and second it doesn't bother me a bit if things are different verses the books.

Having said that, I am happy they for example added Thrawn from the TZ books. The one character I think many fans want to see from that universe is Mara Jade. Would love if they could introduce her somewhere.

 

[Bodha]

IMO it has nothing to do with brute strength. YODA said the dark side is not stronger than the light. To me what makes them so dangerous is how they operate. They manipulate from the shadows.

Thats fine if they are just shadow manipulators, but still, an entire legion of Jedis should be able to hunt them down and kill them.

No different than police and drug cartels. Theres 100's of police. 1 drug lord who operates behind the scenes. They are difficult to catch, as demonstrated by Chapo, Whitey Bulger, and Pablo Escobar, but ultimately they are caught.

The problem with Star Wars is they are trying to sell me the idea that a Sith (drug lord) has never ever been killed at a point in time where his 1 student is not mature enough to become a sith himself yet. And thus that would be the extinction of the Sith with that Siths death.

 

[Covert Rain]

Thats fine if they are just shadow manipulators, but still, an entire legion of Jedis should be able to hunt them down and kill them.

No different than police and drug cartels. Theres 100's of police. 1 drug lord who operates behind the scenes. They are difficult to catch, as demonstrated by Chapo, Whitey Bulger, and Pablo Escobar, but ultimately they are caught.

The problem with Star Wars is they are trying to sell me the idea that a Sith (drug lord) has never ever been killed at a point in time where his 1 student is not mature enough to become a sith himself yet. And thus that would be the extinction of the Sith with that Siths death.

I think your over analyzing. Legion of Jedis or not, Yoda said even his visions were clouded and he was the most powerful Jedi. You can't hunt down something you can't find. It's WAY WAY different than drug cartels. At least they operate out in public to move and sell drugs. Sith masters send out their inquisitors and apprentice to do all the dirty work. If you apprentice gets killed rinse, repeat, no exposure.

 

[Bodha]

I think your over analyzing. Legion of Jedis or not, Yoda said even his visions were clouded and he was the most powerful Jedi. You can't hunt down something you can't find. It's WAY WAY different than drug cartels. At least they operate out in public to move and sell drugs. Sith masters send out their inquisitors and apprentice to do all the dirty work. If you apprentice gets killed rinse, repeat, no exposure.

I disagree. As demonstrated by Rae, she was able to get into Kylos mind. If the Jedi capture one of these expendable apprentices, a powerful one like Yoda (unlike an untrained Rae) should be able to scan much deeper and at least find some leads.

 

[Covert Rain]

I disagree. As demonstrated by Rae, she was able to get into Kylos mind. If the Jedi capture one of these expendable apprentices, a powerful one like Yoda (unlike an untrained Rae) should be able to scan much deeper and at least find some leads.

OK, so what? Do you honestly think a Sith Lord wouldn't know when his apprentice is captured? You think he would just stay put like he was hanging out at a coffee shop waiting for some alleged lead to pan out? Something tells me the Sith would have spies and not be so stupid that they wouldn't plan for every contingency seeing how their very existence depends on the shadows.

 

[Bodha]

OK, so what? Do you honestly think a Sith Lord wouldn't know when his apprentice is captured? You think he would just stay put like he was hanging out at a coffee shop waiting for some alleged lead to pan out? Something tells me the Sith would have spies and not be so stupid that they wouldn't plan for every contingency seeing how their very existence depends on the shadows.

Now whos overthinking it. Your brilliant Sith designed a Death Star which could be singularly destroyed by 1 photon torpedo if shot down a 2 meter exhaust port (about the size of a womp rat).
And youre acting like they have "every conceivable contingency" planned for?

The #1 issue is knowing "who". If you capture an apprentice, dig into his mind and are able to piece together clues to identify the Sith lord, then it just becomes a manhunt.

 

[Covert Rain]

Now whos overthinking it. Your brilliant Sith designed a Death Star which could be singularly destroyed by 1 photon torpedo if shot down a 2 meter exhaust port (about the size of a womp rat).
And youre acting like they have "every conceivable contingency" planned for?

The #1 issue is knowing "who". If you capture an apprentice, dig into his mind and are able to piece together clues to identify the Sith lord, then it just becomes a manhunt.

Me? You were trying to tie this down to drug cartels and how they operate?! Did you forget Rogue One already? The idea, which is better than the original, was that a design flaw was on purpose as a way to sabotage the Death Star from within. The Sith and even the high ups would have no clue the flaw was designed into the Death Star. That is actually realistic. I work on technology projects for a living and can tell you the leadership typically has no clue how something is designed or engineered if their lives depended on it.

Again, we know the Empire has spies everywhere. It's ludicrous to think you could take a major piece off the chess board without them knowing it...in the mean time a Sith Lord just waits around waiting to hear from his apprentice who might be compromised by the Jedi. Right.

 

[Bodha]

Again, we know the Empire has spies everywhere. It's ludicrous to think you could take a major piece off the chess board without them knowing it...in the mean time a Sith Lord just waits around waiting to hear from his apprentice who might be compromised by the Jedi. Right.

Its irrelevant whether the Lord knows that his apprentice was captured or not. Say he does know and he flees. It makes no difference.

The important detail is that the Jedi now know who the Lord is. Your main argument for the Sith is that they operate anonymously. Well, remove the anonymity and it becomes difficult to operate and survive long term with the Jedi hunting you.

 

[Covert Rain]

Its irrelevant whether the Lord knows that his apprentice was captured or not. Say he does know and he flees. It makes no difference.

The important detail is that the Jedi now know who the Lord is. Your main argument for the Sith is that they operate anonymously. Well, remove the anonymity and it becomes difficult to operate and survive long term with the Jedi hunting you.

Huh? It makes no difference. What?!? Sure it does. First off there is no way a Sith lets you take him alive. Second even if that happened. So you know who he is. He let's his apprentice and leadership do the dirty work a la TFA. Nothing changes.

 

[Stout]

Don't engage, Covert Rain. It'll just lead to a headache. He knows everything about everything. Just ask him. Never admits he's wrong.

 

[Covert Rain]

I really hope they make her last appearance worthy.

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[Bodha]

Huh? It makes no difference. What?!? Sure it does. First off there is no way a Sith lets you take him alive. Second even if that happened. So you know who he is. He let's his apprentice and leadership do the dirty work a la TFA. Nothing changes.

They never get taken alive? Anakin cut off both Count Dookus hands, then had him on his knees. Perfect example of a sith being taken alive. Take him away, get in his mind, discover Palpatine is Sith Lord, manhunt for Palpatine begins.


And there is a real life example of a near-sith extinction:

Mace Windu discovered Palpatine was a Sith. He and his Jedi crew went to get him. Mace was about to kill Palpatine when anakin intervened. If anakin didnt interrupt then Palpatine wouldve been killed, and the Sith would be gone.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Maybe it was Chewie who ignored Leia? Maybe Chewie was pissed that she sent Han to get their son back and his bestie ended up dead.

Chewie is probably still holding a grudge from being called a walking carpet. That's my conspiracy

 

[Covert Rain]

They never get taken alive? Anakin cut off both Count Dookus hands, then had him on his knees. Perfect example of a sith being taken alive. Take him away, get in his mind, discover Palpatine is Sith Lord, manhunt for Palpatine begins.


And there is a real life example of a near-sith extinction:

Mace Windu discovered Palpatine was a Sith. He and his Jedi crew went to get him. Mace was about to kill Palpatine when anakin intervened. If anakin didnt interrupt then Palpatine wouldve been killed, and the Sith would be gone.

No The Emperor manipulated his death and he was beheaded so he couldn't talk. That's precisely the opposite of a good example. Plus he was able to kill two birds with one stone moving AS closer to the dark side.

Did you even watch the movies?

 

[Bodha]

No The Emperor manipulated his death and he was beheaded so he couldn't talk. That's precisely the opposite of a good example. Plus he was able to kill two birds with one stone moving AS closer to the dark side.

Did you even watch the movies?

You are being intentionally obtuse.

The point was that the Sith are not these unbeatable machines. They are mortal. They can be wounded. They can be captured.

Capture one, use him to find the other. Kill both. sith gone.



and you ignored my Windu example. If anakin doesnt show up, then the Sith are extinct with 1 swipe of Windus saber.

 

[Covert Rain]

You are being intentionally obtuse.

The point was that the Sith are not these unbeatable machines. They are mortal. They can be wounded. They can be captured.

Capture one, use him to find the other. Kill both. sith gone.



and you ignored my Windu example. If anakin doesnt show up, then the Sith are extinct with 1 swipe of Windus saber.

Who was arguing they were unbeatable machines who could not be wounded? I argued the opposite when you suggested they were like 10x stronger or whatever you said. I was arguing they were not stupid.

Also, I didn't ignore your Windu point. Again, I didn't think it was a good one either because of what I posted before about the Sith training force sensitives. We know from cannon inquisitors exist and for all we know similar to the Jedi they can be contacted by a dark side Force ghost. How else do you explain Snoke? That implies either the above or it implies maybe Sith hide also from each other.

Seriously, it's like we are watching two different universes.

 

[Bodha]

That implies either the above or it implies maybe Sith hide also from each other.
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Thats not possible. Theres 1 master, 1 student. There is no 3rd Sith to hide from.

Im not talking about snoke. Nobody understand that situation yet. Im talking about a very simple concept: How have the Sith survived for so long with only 2 members. Master & Student. Everybody else is a minion.

The student knows the master. Capture the Student. A more powerful Jedi should easily break his mind, get an ID on the master, hunt down the master.

To say thats impossible is ridiculous to the point of asinine. I can point out several specific times when the student could have been captured alive in the movies.

 

[Covert Rain]

Thats not possible. Theres 1 master, 1 student. There is no 3rd Sith to hide from.

Im not talking about snoke. Nobody understand that situation yet. Im talking about a very simple concept: How have the Sith survived for so long with only 2 members. Master & Student. Everybody else is a minion.

The student knows the master. Capture the Student. A more powerful Jedi should easily break his mind, get an ID on the master, hunt down the master.

To say thats impossible is ridiculous to the point of asinine. I can point out several specific times when the student could have been captured alive in the movies.

I covered that. Sith train force sensitives. Like you said we don't know everything. For all we know there are dark side Force ghosts. We know there were some in old canon. You could not destroy all the Sith anymore than all the evil in the world. Simple concept.

Also, you don't get to ignore Snoke. Someone is training Kylo.

 

[Bodha]

I covered that. Sith train force sensitives. Like you said we don't know everything. For all we know there are dark side Force ghosts. We know there were some in old canon. You could not destroy all the Sith anymore than all the evil in the world. Simple concept.

Also, you don't get to ignore Snoke. Someone us to be training Kylo.

Its actually a very simple concept. Kill the teacher or both, and they are extinct. Your only reply that "there might be dark force ghosts" is complete rhetorical fabrication. You can say "there might be..." in regards to anything. I can say "there are jedi ghosts who can tell the alive jedi where the Sith are Hiding". Its a silly road to go down. Stick to what WE KNOW. Not what might be.

Im not ignoring Snoke. I dont understand him. Neither do you. So theres no point discussing him.