Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

[Covert Rain]

Its actually a very simple concept. Kill the teacher or both, and they are extinct. Your only reply that "there might be dark force ghosts" is complete rhetorical fabrication. You can say "there might be..." in regards to anything. I can say "there are jedi ghosts who can tell the alive jedi where the Sith are Hiding". Its a silly road to go down. Stick to what WE KNOW. Not what might be.

Im not ignoring Snoke. I dont understand him. Neither do you. So theres no point discussing him.

Wait so Dark side Force Ghosts is a not possible but based on previous canon. So ignore it as a possibility *cough* Thrawn *cough*. We also know that Inquisitors exist in current cannon but let's ignore them Kylo and Snoke!?! No wait we don't know how they were trained so let's ignore it. LOL.

We KNOW there is a new MASTER Snoke. We KNOW that Kylo is getting trained. We KNOW they didn't spontaneously appear.

You are beyond being ridiculous.

 

[Bodha]

Wait so Force Ghosts is a fabrication but based on previous canon. So ignore it. We also know that Inquisitors exist in current cannon but let's ignore them Kylo and Snoke!?! No wait we don't know how they were trained so let's ignore it. LOL.

We KNOW there is a new MASTER Snoke. We KNOW that Kylo is getting trained. We KNOW they didn't spontaneously appear.

You are beyond being ridiculous.

Youre implying that in the event that all the alive Sith are killed, dead sith ghosts can train new Sith. And therefore the Sith can never be extinct.

Is that canonical fact? Because it sounds like your fan fiction that youre trying to pass off as fact.

 

[Covert Rain]

Youre implying that in the event that all the alive Sith are killed, dead sith ghosts can train new Sith. And therefore the Sith can never be extinct.

Is that canonical fact? Because it sounds like a "well this might be the case" opinion that youre trying to pass off as fact.

Are you suggesting that Snoke and Kylo spontaneously learned the Dark Side or perhaps not trained by another Sith out there or what I suggested above?

I am merely suggesting possibilities based on previous canon, current canon and what we know. I am not ignoring things we do know to make a point.

 

[stewdog1]

and you ignored my Windu example. If anakin doesnt show up, then the Sith are extinct with 1 swipe of Windus saber.

I think Palpatine was setting up Anakin the entire time. The only reason Mace got the upper hand on Palpatine is because he let him.

 

[Covert Rain]

So there is a rumor out there that the reason Kylo's lightsaber does what it does is because he only has a partial Kyber crystal. Maybe they are super rare now?

 

[stewdog1]

So there is a rumor out there that the reason Kylo's lightsaber does what it does is because he only has a partial Kyber crystal. Maybe they are super rare now?

I thought that was already known. At least a rumor from before TFA. The rumor now is that Luke actually has Vaders Crystal around his neck and can be seen in the trailer. Kyle wants this so that his saber will work properly and complete his fan boy collection. Not sure why Luke would keep something like that though.

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[stewdog1]

I thought that was already known. At least a rumor from before TFA. The rumor now is that Luke actually has Vaders Crystal around his neck and can be seen in the trailer. Kyle wants this so that his saber will work properly and complete his fan boy collection. Not sure why Luke would keep something like that though.

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They are also rare because most of the mine at Jedha was destroyed in Rogue One.

 

[Covert Rain]

I thought that was already known. At least a rumor from before TFA. The rumor now is that Luke actually has Vaders Crystal around his neck and can be seen in the trailer. Kyle wants this so that his saber will work properly and complete his fan boy collection. Not sure why Luke would keep something like that though.

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Prior to this rumor it was assumed he didn't have the training necessary to create a stable light saber but the new rumor seems to fit.

You know what else? I would be surprised if it doesn't end up in Kylo's hand which means one thing about Luke. That probably also sets up the climactic duel in the final part of the trilogy between Kylo and Rey.

 

[Covert Rain]

They are also rare because most of the mine at Jedha was destroyed in Rogue One.

I believe there was a line in Rogue One about the strongest planets have hearts of Kyber. Wonder if that was throwaway dialogue or if that means there are others.

 

[Bodha]

Are you suggesting that Snoke and Kylo spontaneously learned the Dark Side or perhaps not trained by another Sith out there or what I suggested above?

So yes, it is fan fiction. At least establish that we're speaking in hypotheticals and not throw out statements as if they are fact. No, I dont know. But neither do you. So stop trying to be superior.

I dont think Kylo or snoke are sith. My theory is simple: If a force sensitive person on some lonely planet is never found by the Jedi or Sith, can they still develop their force powers? The user wont understand what it is, all they will know is that they have weird abilities.


I think Snoke is a non-Sith Dark Force user and thus doesnt play by the rules of the Sith. He can have multiple apprentices.

 

[cardncubfan]

So yes, it is fan fiction. At least establish that we're speaking in hypotheticals and not throw out statements as if they are fact. No, I dont know. But neither do you. So stop trying to be superior.

I dont think Kylo or snoke are sith. My theory is simple: If a force sensitive person on some lonely planet is never found by the Jedi or Sith, can they still develop their force powers? The user wont understand what it is, all they will know is that they have weird abilities.


I think Snoke is a non-Sith Dark Force user and thus doesnt play by the rules of the Sith. He can have multiple apprentices.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Covert Rain]

So yes, it is fan fiction. At least establish that we're speaking in hypotheticals and not throw out statements as if they are fact. No, I dont know. But neither do you. So stop trying to be superior.

I dont think Kylo or snoke are sith. My theory is simple: If a force sensitive person on some lonely planet is never found by the Jedi or Sith, can they still develop their force powers? The user wont understand what it is, all they will know is that they have weird abilities.


I think Snoke is a non-Sith Dark Force user and thus doesnt play by the rules of the Sith. He can have multiple apprentices.

OK Bodha. You win. Me clearly stating what my OPINION is based on what we know is all about one upping you. [emoji849]

We know there are Force sensitives as part of the Sith Order. For example Asajj Ventress was a Sith Aspirant. So, they basically danced around the two Sith rule with her and Inquisitors. Even the Grand Inquisitor was an ex-Jedi Knight but technically not a Sith. Not fan fiction.

Maybe Snoke was an Sith Aspirant like Asajj Ventress? Maybe he was an unknown Inquisitor? That seems to be more feasible than some random force user stumbling into their powers and then turning dark. No?

Either way you could restart the Sith Order without following Sith tradition as well right? Make it into your own vision.

 

[Bodha]

OK Bodha. You win. Me clearly stating what my OPINION is based on what we know is all about one upping you. [emoji849]

We know there are Force sensitives as part of the Sith Order. For example Asajj Ventress was a Sith Aspirant. So, they basically danced around the two Sith rule with her and Inquisitors. Even the Grand Inquisitor was an ex-Jedi Knight but technically not a Sith.

Maybe Snoke was an Sith Aspirant like Asajj Ventress? Maybe he was an unknown Inquisitor? That seems to be more feasible than some random force user stumbling into their powers and then turning dark. No?

You could restart the Sith Order without following Sith tradition as well right?

Im not talking about Sith or Jedi aspirants. You dont have to aspire to be anything at all. Why cant you just be a force sensitive person who chooses to be an independent force user?

And it seems Snoke, Ren and the 1st order arent Sith at all. They are a dark organization, but that doesnt mean they are Sith or want to be Sith.

 

[Covert Rain]

Im not talking about Sith or Jedi aspirants. You dont have to aspire to be anything at all. Why cant you just be a force sensitive person who chooses to be an independent force user?

And it seems Snoke, Ren and the 1st order arent Sith at all. They are a dark organization, but that doesnt mean they are Sith or want to be Sith.

That is what an Aspirant and Inquisitors were. Independent Dark side Force users who were not officially part of the order.

We are saying the same thing except where we differ is I thinks it's major weak sauce story wise if they end up being essentially wannabes without training.

IMO it's a much better story for Snoke to be an Aspirant, Inquisitor or at the very least someone who you described above finding a Sith Temple learning there then wanting to reimagine the Sith.

 

[oaken1]

the jedi operate from a condition of calm peace....it takes years of training to master the ability to stay calm in the face of grave danger and stress...

the sith on the other hand operate with fear, anger, and rage...seams to me it would be pretty easy for some screwed up kid with major daddy issues to train himself to surrender to his rage.

 

[puckhead]

I think you guys are forgetting that you can learn just about anything on Galactic YouTube. Clean out your dryer vent, install a skylight, train to become a Sith Master, it's all in there.

 

[Bodha]

This whole Jedi vs Sith thing is silly to me.

Why is it only a 2 party system?

Wheres the AT-ATea Party?

Why cant I just be a Boba Fett-esque loner, and travel the universe growing my force powers, and whenever the Jedi or Sith come to recruit me, I tellem to take a hike?

I can utilize whatever I please to fuel my force. If I want to use anger and emotion, so be it, that doesnt make me "darkside" or sith.

 

[Stout]

So, you have no idea what you're talking about, Bodha? Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Covert Rain]

This whole Jedi vs Sith thing is silly to me.

Why is it only a 2 party system?

Wheres the AT-ATea Party?

Why cant I just be a Boba Fett-esque loner, and travel the universe growing my force powers, and whenever the Jedi or Sith come to recruit me, I tellem to take a hike?

I can utilize whatever I please to fuel my force. If I want to use anger and emotion, so be it, that doesnt make me "darkside" or sith.

It's that kind of attitude that gave us Darth Trump.

 

[UncleChris]

I'm just gonna buy me some midichlorians on the black market, mainline them and become Darth BadArse.....

 

[Bodha]

It's that kind of attitude that gave us Darth Trump.

Thats not true, hes a republican (Sith). His followers are staunch morons and conservatives.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

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[BillsCarnage]

"The first one didn't even have a number."

 

[MadCardDisease]

They had a huge model set up at D23 that showed what Star Wars Land will look like when it is complete at Disneyland.

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Holy crap that place is going to be awesome!!!

 

[Covert Rain]

You can see why it's costing almost a billion dollars. However, I was disappointed that there are only 2 rides. Almost a billion dollars and only 2 rides in the entire land?

That's a disappointment.