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I don't understand, you've just linked to his BR page which shows some very depressing numbers? And I know I've read comments about his team defense being a problem.

Personally, I think he's an undersized poor man's PJ Tucker. It would be nice to have him on a cheap contract but I see him as the 3rd man off the bench, not the first.

I haven't heard anything negative about his team defense. I linked his BR page so you could compare his stats for yourself, they're equal the numbers he last put up in Boston which to me says he's doing as well outside of Stevens system than he was in it. The only stat that has taken a hit is his shooting percentage, which isn't that big of a concern for me. I think that happened because of the system he played in Detroit, which was primarily focused on getting Drummond the ball. He was a good defender in Boston and he started off the year strong in Detroit before they fell apart.
 

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I haven't heard anything negative about his team defense. I linked his BR page so you could compare his stats for yourself, they're equal the numbers he last put up in Boston which to me says he's doing as well outside of Stevens system than he was in it. The only stat that has taken a hit is his shooting percentage, which isn't that big of a concern for me. I think that happened because of the system he played in Detroit, which was primarily focused on getting Drummond the ball. He was a good defender in Boston and he started off the year strong in Detroit before they fell apart.

Scroll down to his advanced stats, they are not all that close. And while I'm not an advanced stat guy, I know I've read on RealGM several times about stats revealing his shortcomings defensively.
 
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If you are trading up, why not trade up for a guy who every team in the league is looking for? Mikal Bridges.

Find a defensive PG who is some kind of threat to score or shoot, Booker, Bridges, Jackson, Ayton.

Obviously, Jackson still needs to beef up, but he played 18% of his minutes at the four this season (outside of garbage time). Additionally, the entire team's offensive and defensive shooting percentages were up with him at the four.

Thats an uber athletic, switchable lineup, with decent floor spacing for Booker and Ayton.
I would love to have Mikal Bridges.
 

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Scroll down to his advanced stats, they are not all that close. And while I'm not an advanced stat guy, I know I've read on RealGM several times about stats revealing his shortcomings defensively.

Ok, I see what you're saying now. I'm not big on advanced stats but I can see the difference there. Most of that is due to the role he played in Boston vs Detroit and some of the margins are too much to disregard entirely. I still like him as a player and the prospect of signing him for market value sounds better to me than overpaying for Marcus Smart in hopes Boston declines to match. I think it may cost more for Smart and in that case I'm not a fan. I'd prefer they try to get the Celtics to trade Rozier but I think the price could be steep there also. I'd gladly part with #16 and the Bucks pick for Rozier. We'd have a year before needing to pay him and we could see if he was a product of Stevens system or a really good up and coming guard. Rozier is more of a PG than Smart is also. Lots to consider this summer.
 

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Josh mentioned the other night that he plans on adding 10 to 12 pounds of muscle this offseason. Perhaps he anticipates spending even more time at the 4.

Being able to play him at the four would open up a lot of possibilities. I also think he would be a great fit as a short roll man who can catch that pocket pass, or off a trap on Booker, and then face up and make plays from the 3PT line and down with his passing, athleticism, and finishing ability. Would be a great way to incorporate him in other ways other than slashing from the perimeter, and I think would open up his full arsenal.
 

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Scroll down to his advanced stats, they are not all that close. And while I'm not an advanced stat guy, I know I've read on RealGM several times about stats revealing his shortcomings defensively.

Hes always been an overrated defender. He can lock guys up, man up, but hes never been a stopper. He also doesnt provide much help side and his STL% has always been mediocre.

His plus value came two seasons ago when the Celtics were terrible on the glass, and he cleaned up like a PF. Predictably, that dropped off.

Finally, take a look at his shooting splits. He takes more long twos than he does three, and also nearly as many as he does around the basket. As I said, his shot selection is grotesque.
 

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What about trading for kemba walker? Would he not be a good fit? Also wasnt Charlotte trying to move him earlier this year?
 

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"Obviously, Jackson still needs to beef up, but he played 18% of his minutes at thefour this season (outside of garbage time)."

Seems to me, about 95% of our games this year were garbage time.:)
Exactly

That’s one of my biggest problems with tanking. You can’t evaluate your players very well. Everybody’s in on the tank. Guys are playing with different players every night. Erratic minutes......


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Exactly

That’s one of my biggest problems with tanking. You can’t evaluate your players very well. Everybody’s in on the tank. Guys are playing with different players every night. Erratic minutes......


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This, imo, is the most legit argument against the tank.
 

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This, imo, is the most legit argument against the tank.
And it’s horrible for player development.
Worst possible environment for a killer like Booker to get experience.


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Too bad we'll be drafting Ayton and have no need for Towns. If we slipped to 3 or 4 I'd be all about trading our pick and other assets for Towns. He'd be better than Bamba or anyone else available at that point. As is though I wouldn't trade Ayton for him straight up, but I'd consider it. That would be an interesting offer though, it might move us a little closer to competing but it wouldn't guarantee anything. For the Wolves it would give Thibs someone he can coach before they developed any bad habits in the NBA and possible help him turn them into a solid defender right away. I like how Towns is able to shoot out to the 3 point line but his defense is questionable, even with Thibs coaching him. It seems like he hasn't taken to Thib's coaching and that's been an issue. He did shoot 42% from 3 last year, on 3.5 attempts a game. He's a career 38.7% 3pt shooter and has been very durable, not missing a game in the last 3 years.
 
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KAT is just a distraction. Not interested. Just set the burger aside and wait for the steak.
 

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Not long ago I would have been happy with Capela, Nurkic or Valanciunas. :wink2:
 

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McD says he’s open to trading #1 for a star.


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Booker notices LaVine noticing the Towns article.
 

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Really hope San Antonio doesn't come calling offering Kawhi for the #1 pick. I like Kawhi but his latest injury worries me as well as him wanting out of San Antonio. Nobody has demanded a trade off the Spurs, they're perennial contenders so long as Popovich is there. We also don't have room for him with Jackson and Warren at SF already. No doubt that he's better than either of them and probably better than either of them will be but something about that whole situation worries me. I'd rather not chance it and see him leave in 2 years and watch Ayton be the next Tim Duncan in a Spurs uniform.
 

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Really hope San Antonio doesn't come calling offering Kawhi for the #1 pick. I like Kawhi but his latest injury worries me as well as him wanting out of San Antonio. Nobody has demanded a trade off the Spurs, they're perennial contenders so long as Popovich is there. We also don't have room for him with Jackson and Warren at SF already. No doubt that he's better than either of them and probably better than either of them will be but something about that whole situation worries me. I'd rather not chance it and see him leave in 2 years and watch Ayton be the next Tim Duncan in a Spurs uniform.
Another Small Forward for a Center-of-the-decade? I know that is in the Suns' DNA, but it's time for a transfusion. :rolleyes:
 

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I think McDonough is doing his job looking for an offer he can't refuse. Imagine getting Karl Anthony Towns for the #1 pick.

I'd pass. I like Ayton over Towns.

Off the top of my head... 4 guys I'd trade it for... Davis, Giannis, KD (if he signed a 4 year extension), LeBron (also on an extension). I only leave Embiid out because of health.

The only one of those that is remotely possible is Davis, should he decide he's fed up in New Orleans.
 

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Towns is also a Kentucky guy, he actually played with Booker and Ulis there. That's more than just sharing the same Alma Mater like with Knight, Bledsoe, or Goodwin in the past. This is one of those deals where getting Booker's input on it would be meaningful. I know some thought it was a joke we were running things past our 21 year old Shooting Guard but I don't think people here took exception to Booker being consulted in certain situations. That's the NBA nowadays, make sure your star player is happy.
 

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