Suns, Eric Bledsoe Far Apart In Talks

[SO91]

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Lebron needs to mind his own damn business and ****.

 

[Chaz]

OK, now I understand more of what you are trying to say. However, it's not one metric as you say. Trades, drafting, signing of free agents, winning titles the ability to attract players, retaining players are not a single metric. They are multiple.

Besides the topic here was free agency. Not their overall record, their offense or defense. Also, I am judging the Suns on their ability to do said things in the Saver era. Again...not one single sample. Can you say the Sarver era has been anything but a massive disappointment? 10 years later what has he done in this area? Why can't we judge him on that?

Having said that I give him all the credit in the world for trying to change things up in the front office. However, what does that tell you? Sarver knows too his track record sucks. If Sarver acknowledges the Suns poor performance in this area why can't we?

Proof is in the results. Until the Suns DEMONSTRATE they can pull in top talent and be a destination....how can you rate them well in this area?

The first 7 years or so were characterized by horrible decisions. The last 3 have been trying to climb out of the hole they dug for themselves.

Sometimes you can't get talent until you have it. Top level players are rarely looking turn a team around by themselves. They will have to develop the talent they already have or make trades. I think the past year has been encouraging in these areas. It can be hard to judge on free agency. First a player you actually want has to be available. I am pleased with the acquisitions that they did make so far.

 

[devilalum]

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Lebron needs to mind his own damn business and ****.

Lebron says, "Phoenix needs to break bread." I'm guessing that means offer Bledsoe more money or max money. I don't think LBJ would write that if Bledose's primary goal was to get out of Phoenix.

 

[SirStefan32]

Lebron says, "Phoenix needs to break bread." I'm guessing that means offer Bledsoe more money or max money. I don't think LBJ would write that if Bledose's primary goal was to get out of Phoenix.

I don't think anyone believes Bledsoe just wants out of Phoenix. Bledsoe only thinks about Bledsoe, so he will play for whoever gives him more money than he is worth. I hope that's not Phoenix.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a link to the article written by Paul Coro at azcentral regarding to the Lebron overture.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ghs-in-on-eric-bledsoes-free-agency/15147371/

My understanding is the Suns have been wanting to negotiate (break bread) with Bledsoe for a long time.

 

[Covert Rain]

The first 7 years or so were characterized by horrible decisions. The last 3 have been trying to climb out of the hole they dug for themselves.

Sometimes you can't get talent until you have it. Top level players are rarely looking turn a team around by themselves. They will have to develop the talent they already have or make trades. I think the past year has been encouraging in these areas. It can be hard to judge on free agency. First a player you actually want has to be available. I am pleased with the acquisitions that they did make so far.

I don't disagree with you about trying to change things. Only that as of RIGHT now when it comes to acquiring big name talent or making Phoenix a destination for said talent the Suns get an F for me in the Sarver era.

The only progress I have seen is this team building up assets through acquisition of young players in the last couple years. I give them credit for that. That is key because Sarver gets an F in the area I mentioned above which means the only way we are ever going to get over the top is to use said assets to get a major piece.

We might have to except the fact Phoenix never becomes a destination under Sarver and that we have to acquire players to get us over the top. I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Chaz]

Here is a link to the article written by Paul Coro at azcentral regarding to the Lebron overture.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...ghs-in-on-eric-bledsoes-free-agency/15147371/

My understanding is the Suns have been wanting to negotiate (break bread) with Bledsoe for a long time.

In this context I suspect break bread means to share more (i.e. give more money to EB) rather than the usual connotation of coming together or meeting with cooperative intent.

 

[Ronin]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 2m
If Bledsoe plays for the qualifying offer he becomes my 3rd PG behind Goran and Isiah. Not starting a guy who has no future here

hmmm....

 

[Mainstreet]

hmmm....

Oh, I would play Bledsoe behind Goran, Thomas and Ennis if he is not part of the future.

 

[Covert Rain]

Seems kind of spiteful to play Bledsoe behind those guys if he does sign the qualifying offer. I guess it depends. If the Suns think they can make a serious run in the playoffs that would be hard to justify. If they don't think they can make a serious run...that might not be outside the realm of possibilities.

 

[AzStevenCal]

hmmm....

"John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo987 2m
If Bledsoe plays for the qualifying offer he becomes my 3rd PG behind Goran and Isiah. Not starting a guy who has no future here"

No hmmm, just dumbbb. You do whatever is best for the team. Odds are, playing him roughly 30 minutes per game, mostly as a starter, will be what's best for the team. At the end of the season, you thank him for a great year on a discount and wave goodbye to him.

Don't trade him on the QO. And unless you get true value, don't help his new team fit him into their budget. Just let him walk. Not starting him for that lame reason (no future here) is just petty and will likely backfire. If you really, absolutely, have to be petty, play him 40 minutes a game and wear his butt down.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Oh, I would play Bledsoe behind Goran, Thomas and Ennis if he is not part of the future.

Why? Why risk alienating the Players Union? Teams use players that are not part of their future all the time. You do what's best for the team, nothing more nor less.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

In this context I suspect break bread means to share more (i.e. give more money to EB) rather than the usual connotation of coming together or meeting with cooperative intent.

So Bledsoe wants the Suns to make more bread.

Actually I think the Suns have always been willing to go above the 4 year offer of 48 million if he would negotiate.

One thought I have, Lebron is trying to save face for Bledsoe in making these remarks... that it is their idea to negotiate.

 

[Ronin]

Chris Sheridan is suggesting a Rubio + expiring contracts for Eric Bledsoe. I don't like it.

Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 2m
@WojYahooNBA Wolves should trade Rubio and an expiring or two for a signed and traded Bledsoe

 

[AzStevenCal]

Chris Sheridan is suggesting a Rubio + expiring contracts for Eric Bledsoe. I don't like it.

"Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 2m
@WojYahooNBA Wolves should trade Rubio and an expiring or two for a signed and traded Bledsoe"

Of course the Wolves should make that trade. If the Suns were dumb enough to lock up Bledsoe for them and trade him for Rubio, then we deserve what happens to us. Keep in mind that Rubio's camp has already made it clear they want the full max. No thanks. I'd rather overpay Greg Monroe and I do NOT want to overpay Greg Monroe.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

Chris Sheridan is suggesting a Rubio + expiring contracts for Eric Bledsoe. I don't like it.

That's an incredibly bad idea for the Suns. I doubt they'd consider it even for a moment, unless a major sweetener (e.g. multiple draft picks) was involved. Nobody wants Rubio.

 

[BC867]

The first 7 years or so were characterized by horrible decisions. The last 3 have been trying to climb out of the hole they dug for themselves.

So, the alibi for Sarver's performance is . . . Sarver's performance.

The only solution for the Suns and their fans would be for Sarver to get his butt back to Tucson and play with his bank.

Or do we have to wait for him to get senile a la Donald Sterling?

Thanks Jerry, you really took care of business.

 

[Mainstreet]

Chris Sheridan is suggesting a Rubio + expiring contracts for Eric Bledsoe. I don't like it.

If such an idea were really in play, also remove the protection from the Wolves first round draft pick the Suns own.

 

[Mainstreet]

Of course the Wolves should make that trade. If the Suns were dumb enough to lock up Bledsoe for them and trade him for Rubio, then we deserve what happens to us. Keep in mind that Rubio's camp has already made it clear they want the full max. No thanks. I'd rather overpay Greg Monroe and I do NOT want to overpay Greg Monroe.

Steve

However, they might at least talk to the Suns.

Wanting and getting are two different things. Also Rubio might have trade value and also might afford an option if Dragic decides to leave.

 

[Chaplin]

Why? Why risk alienating the Players Union? Teams use players that are not part of their future all the time. You do what's best for the team, nothing more nor less.

Steve

But your definition of what's "best" for the team might not be the same as someone else's. Pretty sure our front office isn't delusional, so a deep run in the playoffs is probably not on their radar. They'd like to make it, sure, but playing Bledsoe at the expense of a more important piece not getting experience isn't the way I'd go.

 

[Chaz]

So, the alibi for Sarver's performance is . . . Sarver's performance.

The only solution for the Suns and their fans would be for Sarver to get his butt back to Tucson and play with his bank.

Or do we have to wait for him to get senile a la Donald Sterling?

Thanks Jerry, you really took care of business.

I wasn't supplying an alibi. The best decision he has made so far is to hire this front office and let them run the team. That is he removed himself from basketball decisions.

 

[AzStevenCal]

But your definition of what's "best" for the team might not be the same as someone else's. Pretty sure our front office isn't delusional, so a deep run in the playoffs is probably not on their radar. They'd like to make it, sure, but playing Bledsoe at the expense of a more important piece not getting experience isn't the way I'd go.

I think you missed my point. Gambo basically said "DON"T PLAY HIM, that will teach him a lesson for signing the QO". That's dumb. Don't play him if it's the best thing for this team, play him if it is. I'm not insisting that my way is the best way for the team, that's for the people that know what the heck they are talking about to decide upon. But Gambo's approach was petty and shortsighted and sure to backfire. I suspect someone made that clear to him because he tweeted a better explanation for his "don't play him" approach shortly after the one we're talking about.

Steve

 

[Ronin]

Monroe hasn't take the QO. He said he's "definitely willing to"...which in other words, he's bluffing until he does.

He just did.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2h
Yahoo Sources: Detroit's Greg Monroe signs qualifying offer, becomes unrestricted free agent in 2015: http://yhoo.it/1tzCwCr

 

[Ronin]

I'm late on these tweets, pardon me if these are a repost.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2h
Suns made 4-year, $48M offer -- comparable to Ty Lawson and Kyle Lowry -- but Bledsoe camp has been unwilling to negotiate off that number.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2h
Suns' Bledsoe remains final RFA on market. Agent has held firm on max contract or no deal. He couldn't get Bledsoe an offer sheet elsewhere.

 

[TJ]

Chris Sheridan is suggesting a Rubio + expiring contracts for Eric Bledsoe. I don't like it.

Rubio is garbage. That trade only benefits Minnesota