Suns fire McD

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Ugh, this is beginning to remind me of the old Cardinal board when a certain percentage of folks would try their hardest to blame everyone but the owner despite that person being the only constant during the ineptitude.

 

[Mainstreet]

It’s only a matter of time before they trade for Dragic. I remember when Sarver nixed the Felton signing and brought in Dragic personally. Normally you want your owner to stay out of it but that decision worked out.

I wouldn't be shocked but how ironic would it be if the Suns sent two first round draft picks to the Heat for an older Dragic and his salary.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It’s only a matter of time before they trade for Dragic. I remember when Sarver nixed the Felton signing and brought in Dragic personally. Normally you want your owner to stay out of it but that decision worked out.

I could see this if Igor wants Dragic too.

I am not sure I want Dragic, but that is beside the point.

 

[SirStefan32]

I could see this if Igor wants Dragic too.

I am not sure I want Dragic, but that is beside the point.

I want him for this season. The problem is that he is signed for two.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ugh, this is beginning to remind me of the old Cardinal board when a certain percentage of folks would try their hardest to blame everyone but the owner despite that person being the only constant during the ineptitude.

Nah. We are trying to look at it objectively.

McD was a problem. He was an awkward person, and struggled to communcate. I get it. But, I wanted the Suns to keep him. He seemed to be improving to me and I have no confidence that Sarver will be able to choose a better replacement.

So, am I making excuses for Sarver, no, well yes, not really,

 

[Raindog]

If they can somehow pick up Dragic for a relative song - say Chandler, MIL pick, and Melton - that wouldn't be too bad. Even with the rest of Dragic's deal on the books, I still think it's a good ROI.

 

[sunsfan88]

I could see this if Igor wants Dragic too.

I am not sure I want Dragic, but that is beside the point.

NBA is a business and it’s not only players but fans that have to put feelings aside.

If DeAndre Jordan can be embraced by Mavs fans after he spurned then embarrassingly the first time, then no reason we can’t do the same with Goran who was a big part of the last playoff run this team has had.

 

[Proximo]

Well, after listening to the interview, I think Sarver did not like the Anderson trade, and no PG was the final straw.

Gambo said McD told him after that trade he had 30 days to get a pg, If this is the case it sounds like this was almost a condition of Sarver signing off on the deal and it didn't happen.

So, I am expecting a pg being traded for in the next few days. Most likely the Suns are going to be raped in the process.

 

[JCSunsfan]

NBA is a business and it’s not only players but fans that have to put feelings aside.

If DeAndre Jordan can be embraced by Mavs fans after he spurned then embarrassingly the first time, then no reason we can’t do the same with Goran who was a big part of the last playoff run this team has had.

For me, its not about feelings, its about his basketball effectiveness and what he does to our free agency options next summer.

 

[Raze]

I'm not sure why anyone would be excited about this firing. Is anyone really giving Sarver good odds of hiring a quality GM?

(Sorry to be so negative, but dang I'm sick of the entire world laughing at my team)

 

[AzStevenCal]

To be fair, none of his picks, with the obvious exception of Ennis, really looked like stinkers at the time. Hindsight is 20-20.

I was more frustrated with his trades. He never seemed to have a clear idea how to build a cohesive roster, and many of the trades and FA signings seemed to be rather random... simply for the sake of re-arranging the furniture, so to speak, instead of getting a better, more complete set of furniture.

I disagree. The Chriss pick was just downright stupid. All you had to do was watch him play a full game and you'd have known that his head and his heart did not match his physical gifts. I commented here during the season about his tendency to stand and just stare at the ref or the basket or the ball or whatever when things didn't work perfectly for him. I've never seen a player so disconnected at times as he was and although I didn't watch every single UW game, I saw this problem in every one that I did watch. I tried to make excuses for the pick when it happened but that was just me hoping that they knew more than I did.

I actually think the Ennis pick was reasonable for what we knew about him. I didn't like it because it made no sense for us but at the time, he seemed to make sense value wise at least.

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm not sure why anyone would be excited about this firing. Is anyone really giving Sarver good odds of hiring a quality GM?

(Sorry to be so negative, but dang I'm sick of the entire world laughing at my team)

Well, when you have Booker and Ayton on the roster, as well as some other pieces, GMs are easier to find than when you have Hedo, Warrick, and Childress.

 

[Mainstreet]

I want him for this season. The problem is that he is signed for two.

Even if Dragic stays the 2nd year, there is no guarantee the Suns would sign anyone better in 2019. The Suns have not improved their perception.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Who knows. Maybe McD wanted Doncic and Sarver wanted Ayton. He over-ruled and now Ayton is looking like a stud. Sarver looks at McD and says "Why should I even keep you when I can make better picks?"

 

[Raindog]

Well, after listening to the interview, I think Sarver did not like the Anderson trade, and no PG was the final straw.

I can't say I disagree with Sarver on that one. As much as no one particularly liked Chriss and Knight, they were tradeable assets that should have been used (in conjunction with other assets, of course) to get some vet PG (or any vet PG) if they were going to be traded, rather than what we got for them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think something precipitated the firing of McDonough so unexpectedly. I wonder how quickly a trade for a point guard happens. I keep waiting for the next shoe to fall.

I’m sorry, this isn’t directed at you, but . . .

how many posts have there been after something happens and everyone is like “some other shoenis about to drop! I’m sure a trade for a pg is right around the corner . . . ???”

Ariza signing
Bridges trade
Chriss/knight trade
McD firing

 

[SirStefan32]

Even if Dragic stays the 2nd year, there is no guarantee the Suns would sign anyone better in 2019. The Suns have not improved their perception.

Well, fair enough. I suppose they could try to make the 20/21 the year of cap space. It should be before any other major extensions come up. You think Dragic gets the Suns to the playoffs?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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When did Tyson want out?

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, fair enough. I suppose they could try to make the 20/21 the year of cap space. It should be before any other major extensions come up. You think Dragic gets the Suns to the playoffs?

If Booker returns healthy, I think the Suns would have a definite chance of making the playoffs with Dragic. This town would be so excited. Dragic is like the prodigal son.

 

[AzStevenCal]

You are correct, I believe. I don't think a player has bashed Sarver outside of retired players like Barkley. No players who have played for the Suns have said anything negative about him though, not even Shaq when Barkley is going on an anti-Sarver rant and I think that's telling. Shaq is not one to bite his tongue. He has said that Phoenix was a paycheck for him since he's retired but hasn't bashed the organization. He said he wished he could have done more but he was an All-Star as a Sun after all and that should count for something. I think the only thing Shaq has said about Sarver is how Sarver encouraged him to talk title when he was acquired. That isn't a bad thing, IMO. Sarver was a clueless fan then and we all knew/know that. Shaq was a big deal still when we acquired him, he quickly became once he left but he wasn't awful here.

I forget who said it, probably Gambo, but I remember this point being made before. Supposedly players and former players speak very highly about Sarver.

 

[Hoop Head]

One upside to Dragic returning is he has learned how to play with others better in Miami and I doubt he butts heads with Igor's play calling. I just hope Igor makes him more of a distributor than he's been recently or in his last run here. If he can pass more and be more of a playmaker, I can live with him on his contract. This is Booker and Ayton's team and in a weird way they're a much better tandem than Waiters and Whiteside, who Dragic has played alongside to make a playoff run and become an All-Star himself.

 

[Folster]

The bottom line for Sarver is the Suns are looking to breakout of a rebuild, but the GM left the ship rudderless with no point guard. It's inexcusable considering the assets we gave up this summer. #16 and Miami 2021. We couldn't turn those assets plus Chriss or Warren into a decent pg?

 

[SirStefan32]

If Booker returns healthy, I think the Suns would have a definite chance of making the playoffs with Dragic. This town would be so excited. Dragic is like the prodigal son.

I am sold! Bring him in!

 

[JCSunsfan]

I forget who said it, probably Gambo, but I remember this point being made before. Supposedly players and former players speak very highly about Sarver.

Maybe Sarver finally got tire of McD making him look bad--at least in Sarver's mind. Again, not trying to defend Sarver, just trying to get an accurate assessment of the situation.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Even if Dragic stays the 2nd year, there is no guarantee the Suns would sign anyone better in 2019. The Suns have not improved their perception.

Yeah, I have no concern about using up our cap space for the right player this season. I'm not convinced Dragic is the right person but I don't coach the team. Yet.