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[JS22]

How many times do you want to re-post this?

Until we all "get it."

 

[AzStevenCal]

How many times do you want to re-post this?

I think we all realize that if there's a negative article or tweet about the Suns, 88 is going to post it here. That's just his way of being a fan I guess.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

I think we all realize that if there's a negative article or tweet about the Suns, 88 is going to post it here. That's just his way of being a fan I guess.

Steve

That's a little low Steve, i talked plenty and post plenty about things that I think are positive like Len, Goodwin, Warren etc, it's not my fault that some pick and choose on what I post to read. As for the negative thing, there simply isn't a whole lot of things to be "positive" about in regards to this team right now imo.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That's a little low Steve, i talked plenty and post plenty about things that I think are positive like Len, Goodwin, Warren etc, it's not my fault that some pick and choose on what I post to read. As for the negative thing, there simply isn't a whole lot of things to be "positive" about in regards to this team right now imo.

C'mon, are you really going to deny that you don't rush to the board with every negative article you can find? You've been doing it all along, I doubt there is a regular poster that isn't aware of it. Right now, that's probably all you're going to find out there but you still managed to find plenty of downer material when things were going much better for us. I wasn't passing judgement either, just stating what I believe to be an obvious truth. And right now, things are going so poorly in Sunsland that your "negative" approach has probably moved you to the top of the ladder of the mythical top poster board.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

C'mon, are you really going to deny that you don't rush to the board with every negative article you can find? You've been doing it all along, I doubt there is a regular poster that isn't aware of it. Right now, that's probably all you're going to find out there but you still managed to find plenty of downer material when things were going much better for us. I wasn't passing judgement either, just stating what I believe to be an obvious truth. And right now, things are going so poorly in Sunsland that your "negative" approach has probably moved you to the top of the ladder of the mythical top poster board.

Steve

Not really. I was pretty damn excited and stoked before the last summer.

Here are some of the threads alone that I created

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/lebron-suns-got-something-special-in-bledsoe-198191.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/hornacek-looking-great-so-far-201488.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...t-athletic-player-in-suns-history-205652.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/archie-goodwin-best-pick-in-the-draft-196547.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/goran-dragic-makes-all-nba-3rd-team-208982.html

Those are just the threads. If you look through threads of last season including game day threads and click on "total posts" and click on my username, it will show you all my posts in those threads.

Only thing I probably didn't like about last season was Frye.

Again Steve, your picking and choosing on which posts of mine to read. You clearly didn't read any posts of mine last season or during our 2010 season (when I was one of the more positive posters here when everyone including you iirc was on the "trade Amare, trade nash, trade everyone" bandwagon during our long losing streak before we put together that brilliant winning streak heading into the ASG or post ASG.

Thats not my fault if you only choose to read my negative posts. At this time, sure much more negative than positive. But when I felt there was actually positive, I posted plenty of positive as well.

 

[Phrazbit]

Nah, thats not entirely fair. I can recall him linking junk about how great the Beasley signing was and one long winded defense of Lance Blanks.

So, occasionally, when the Suns have something indescribably stupid going on, he will defend them.

Whats ironic is that I have no doubt he would loooove Jeff Hornacek and McD if the Suns, with the exact same roster, were sitting at 15 wins right now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not really. I was pretty damn excited and stoked about this team all last season.

Again Steve, your picking and choosing on which posts of mine to read. You clearly didn't read any posts of mine last season or during our 2010 season. Thats not my fault.

I didn't say that's all you posted, quit turning it into that. And I'm pretty sure I've read every post on this forum for many years now. I missed a few months back in 2003 but that was it.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

I didn't say that's all you posted, quit turning it into that. And I'm pretty sure I've read every post on this forum for many years now. I missed a few months back in 2003 but that was it.

Steve

Here's an edited post of the one you just quoted

C'mon, are you really going to deny that you don't rush to the board with every negative article you can find? You've been doing it all along, I doubt there is a regular poster that isn't aware of it. Right now, that's probably all you're going to find out there but you still managed to find plenty of downer material when things were going much better for us. I wasn't passing judgement either, just stating what I believe to be an obvious truth. And right now, things are going so poorly in Sunsland that your "negative" approach has probably moved you to the top of the ladder of the mythical top poster board.

Steve

Not really. I was pretty damn excited and stoked before the last summer.

Here are some of the threads alone that I created

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/lebron-suns-got-something-special-in-bledsoe-198191.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/hornacek-looking-great-so-far-201488.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...t-athletic-player-in-suns-history-205652.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/archie-goodwin-best-pick-in-the-draft-196547.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/goran-dragic-makes-all-nba-3rd-team-208982.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/good-read-on-the-2nd-rd-pick-alex-oriakhi-196608.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...-for-big-men-with-injury-concerns-196576.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...t-underpaid-players-in-the-league-194196.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/the-suns-fo-is-not-that-bad-191845.html

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/why-alex-len-is-a-better-prospect-than-noel-196649.html

Those are just the threads. If you look through threads of last season including game day threads and click on "total posts" and click on my username, it will show you all my posts in those threads.

Only thing I probably didn't like about last season was Frye.

Again Steve, your picking and choosing on which posts of mine to read. You clearly didn't read any posts of mine last season or during our 2010 season (when I was one of the more positive posters here when everyone including you iirc was on the "trade Amare, trade nash, trade everyone" bandwagon during our long losing streak before we put together that brilliant winning streak heading into the ASG or post ASG.

Thats not my fault if you only choose to read my negative posts. At this time, sure much more negative than positive. But when I felt there was actually positive, I posted plenty of positive as well.

 

[AzStevenCal]

........

Just stop. You keep missing the point. Read my words. At no time did I say that all you did was post negative.

Steve

 

[KloD]

Just stop. You keep missing the point. Read my words. At no time did I say that all you did was post negative.

Steve

We have a few who post a lot of negative and than use any negative opinion on the internets (facts be damned) to support their disdain for the team. Apparently we need to know that there are others who share their unhappiness so therefore if we weren't so clueless we would be unhappy too. In order to achieve that, I guess they believe they need to inundate us and we will soon share their perspective. It's boring and sad.

 

[SweetD]

We have a few who post a lot of negative and than use any negative opinion on the internets (facts be damned) to support their disdain for the team. Apparently we need to know that there are others who share their unhappiness so therefore if we weren't so clueless we would be unhappy too. In order to achieve that, I guess they believe they need to inundate us and we will soon share their perspective. It's boring and sad.

+1

 

[Phrazbit]

We have a few who post a lot of negative and than use any negative opinion on the internets (facts be damned) to support their disdain for the team. Apparently we need to know that there are others who share their unhappiness so therefore if we weren't so clueless we would be unhappy too. In order to achieve that, I guess they believe they need to inundate us and we will soon share their perspective. It's boring and sad.

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

The only thing I'm really bummed out about at this point with the future direction of the team is the reversal of fortunes with the Morris Twins. They've gone from a feel good story of 2 guys reuniting and turning their careers around... to probably being more trouble than they're worth as a tandem.

 

[KloD]

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

The only thing I'm really bummed out about at this point with the future direction of the team is the reversal of fortunes with the Morris Twins. They've gone from a feel good story of 2 guys reuniting and turning their careers around... to probably being more trouble than they're worth as a tandem.

Agreed. It goes back to what the team lacks most... leadership amongst the players. These 2 are trying to be that and failing. Sure, the team needs upgrades in talent here and there, but I feel with the right leadership in and out of the locker room things would get back on track.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

The only thing I'm really bummed out about at this point with the future direction of the team is the reversal of fortunes with the Morris Twins. They've gone from a feel good story of 2 guys reuniting and turning their careers around... to probably being more trouble than they're worth as a tandem.

Yea... I definitely don't think this team is anything close to a shambles... But, I do believe we have very serious issues that have the potential to cause serious harm. The Morris twins are at the top of that list. And structurally, I really believe our lack of a legit PF, combined with a turnover machine at PG, along with a clear void in leadership on the court all combine to form a tumor that, if not remediated in some fashion, will grow to the point where hopes of reaching the level of a legit "contender" are squashed...

 

[Covert Rain]

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

I think shambles is a strong word. Our two PG strategy is crap and our FO is very suspect at this point. Is it all doom and gloom? No. However, I find blind homerism just as annoying and also requires a complete loss of perspective.

There is some good here. The team is young and shows flashes. We do have some assets. Sarver seems to have learned from past mistakes and has backed off. We do have some talent on the roster. So, it's not in "shambles" but this franchise is not even close to being competent IMO or having a good reputation around the league.

Bottom line is there is good and bad. Things could be worse. We could be the T-wolves or Clippers FO of the 90's that were complete disasters. This team is young and I think the franchise just needs time to distance itself from all the mistakes of this ownership and FO. Unfortunately, that means growing with this young team over a period of time.

 

[Chaplin]

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

The only thing I'm really bummed out about at this point with the future direction of the team is the reversal of fortunes with the Morris Twins. They've gone from a feel good story of 2 guys reuniting and turning their careers around... to probably being more trouble than they're worth as a tandem.

I don't get it. Last year, I didn't agree with almost anything you said. But this year... complete turnaround.

My biggest issue this year is Markieff Morris--I hated the pick and I never liked his game, his inconsistency was terrible. But last year, he appeared to turn it around. This year, he's had some great performances, but as an individual, I feel like I've lost any respect I gained for him last year. It's frustrating as hell. And it doesn't help that I don't like his brother at all.

 

[JS22]

Well put.

I doubt anyone is thrilled with the way the team has been playing, however, acting as though the franchise is in shambles requires a complete loss of perspective.

The only thing I'm really bummed out about at this point with the future direction of the team is the reversal of fortunes with the Morris Twins. They've gone from a feel good story of 2 guys reuniting and turning their careers around... to probably being more trouble than they're worth as a tandem.

I'm growing a little tired of their act, but a few vets in the locker room is desperately needed. Would help keep these guys in line IMO.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think shambles is a strong word. Our two PG strategy is crap and our FO is very suspect at this point. Is it all doom and gloom? No. However, I find blind homerism just as annoying and also requires a complete loss of perspective.

There is some good here. The team is young and shows flashes. We do have some assets. Sarver seems to have learned from past mistakes and has backed off. We do have some talent on the roster. So, it's not in "shambles" but this franchise is not even close to being competent IMO or having a good reputation around the league.

Bottom line is there is good and bad. Things could be worse. We could be the T-wolves or Clippers FO of the 90's that were complete disasters. This team is young and I think the franchise just needs time to distance itself from all the mistakes of this ownership and FO. Unfortunately, that means growing with this young team over a period of time.

Well, I've never been accused of being a blind homer when it comes to the Suns... so thats a first.

I call things like I see them. I expect anyone who has read my ramblings on the Cards, Suns or Dbacks forum knows I am more than willing to rip into the team when I think they're being stupid. right now I see a team that has, generally, made great strides over the last year and a half to fix what WAS a terrible situation. Not everything is rose, not everything is terrible, but overall the trend during the McD era has been very positive.

As to the reputation of the front office, not only do I think its not near as bad as people think (Dragic did further recanting today) but I don't think it really matters. How quickly the media... the players... everyone forgets about perceived slights as soon as some wins happen or some money gets thrown around.

The Knicks have a reputation as wretched as any franchise in sports, they never have problems finding suitors (even Dragic wanted to go there).

Now, before you say "its just because its New York"...

The Portland Trailblazers had a fiasco with Nic Batum's free agency, when they released Darius Miles on medical grounds, he rehabbed, wanted to play again and the Blazers sent out a notice that they would sue anyone who signed him because it would hurt their cap by virtue of losing their medical exemption. The union, rightfully, went bananas. Now, they're magically respected again

The Warriors reneged on a trade (with us), they caused fan outrage when they traded away their star PG (sound familiar?), they had a shockingly ugly, public divorce with their coach. But now? They're winning and everyone loves them.

The Clippers... all they had to do was draft one star, and all of the sudden it didn't matter that their owner had an established track record as a horrendous human being and a miser.

The Cavaliers and "the letter".

It goes on and on. Any supposed damage done (which again, I think is completely overblown in the first place) can be erased from memory with one good move, by trade or draft that will cause total amnesia.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well, I've never been accused of being a blind homer when it comes to the Suns... so thats a first.

I call things like I see them. I expect anyone who has read my ramblings on the Cards, Suns or Dbacks forum knows I am more than willing to rip into the team when I think they're being stupid. right now I see a team that has, generally, made great strides over the last year and a half to fix what WAS a terrible situation. Not everything is rose, not everything is terrible, but overall the trend during the McD era has been very positive.

As to the reputation of the front office, not only do I think its not near as bad as people think (Dragic did further recanting today) but I don't think it really matters. How quickly the media... the players... everyone forgets about perceived slights as soon as some wins happen or some money gets thrown around.

The Knicks have a reputation as wretched as any franchise in sports, they never have problems finding suitors (even Dragic wanted to go there).

Now, before you say "its just because its New York"...

The Portland Trailblazers had a fiasco with Nic Batum's free agency, when they released Darius Miles on medical grounds, he rehabbed, wanted to play again and the Blazers sent out a notice that they would sue anyone who signed him because it would hurt their cap by virtue of losing their medical exemption. The union, rightfully, went bananas.

The Clippers... all they had to do was draft one star, and all of the sudden it didn't matter that their owner had an established track record as a horrendous human being and a miser.

It goes on and on. Any supposed damage done (which again, I think is completely overblown in the first place) can be erased from memory with one good move, by trade or draft that will cause total amnesia.

I was not calling you a blind homer. Really just a general comment to the chain of posts where some were calling out others for being negative.

 

[BC867]

Yea... I definitely don't think this team is anything close to a shambles... But, I do believe we have very serious issues that have the potential to cause serious harm. The Morris twins are at the top of that list. And structurally, I really believe our lack of a legit PF, combined with a turnover machine at PG, along with a clear void in leadership on the court all combine to form a tumor that, if not remediated in some fashion, will grow to the point where hopes of reaching the level of a legit "contender" are squashed...

With all due respect, I read your post three times.

Serious issues. Potential to cause serious harm. Lack of a legit PF. Turnover machine at PG. Clear void of leadership on the court. Combine to form a tumor ... hopes of reaching the level of a legit "contender (will be) squashed.

If you had to put that into one word for an NBA team, I think that "shambles" fits as well as any. You are just being more polite about it.

Read the preceding paragraph three times. Then see what one word you would use to recap it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

With all due respect, I read your post three times.

Serious issues. Potential to cause serious harm. Lack of a legit PF. Turnover machine at PG. Clear void of leadership on the court. Combine to form a tumor ... hopes of reaching the level of a legit "contender (will be) squashed.

If you had to put that into one word for an NBA team, I think that "shambles" fits as well as any. You are just being more polite about it.

Read the preceding paragraph three times. Then see what one word you would use to recap it.

Not at all... and a message board is not the best method of conveying an opinion. Let me try it this way:

I believe we have a team with enough talent to keep this team around the 8th playoff slot year in and year out. Does equate to "shambles"? Of course not...
That said, I, like you and every other fan, have far greater aspirations for our beloved Suns. I believe that, while the team has some talent, we are suffer from some serious flaws that, if left unchecked, will prevent the team from reaching higher levels of performance. The Morris twins are problematic... and our PG situation is also, problematic. And the fact that we don't have at least one on-court leader...not one player who we can confidently turn to in the 4th quarter, is also, problematic...

Make sense??

 

[BC867]

Not at all... and a message board is not the best method of conveying an opinion. Let me try it this way:

I believe we have a team with enough talent to keep this team around the 8th playoff slot year in and year out. Does equate to "shambles"? Of course not...
That said, I, like you and every other fan, have far greater aspirations for our beloved Suns. I believe that, while the team has some talent, we are suffer from some serious flaws that, if left unchecked, will prevent the team from reaching higher levels of performance. The Morris twins are problematic... and our PG situation is also, problematic. And the fact that we don't have at least one on-court leader...not one player who we can confidently turn to in the 4th quarter, is also, problematic...

Make sense??

Yes, it makes sense. But while competing in the best basketball league in the world, I wouldn't want to downplay how serious the blunders of the Front Office and coaching staff are.

Either McDonough or Hornacek was quoted as saying, "We're going to keep trying until we get it right." That and these two past major roster changes don't inspire confidence.

And the inability of Hornacek to get it to work with the Guards and Mark West to keep the big men under control doesn't inspire confidence either.

Horny's basketball playing resume was as a tweener. And West's was as a foul machine, while working a side job as a stockbroker.

 

[elindholm]

horny's basketball playing resume was as a tweener.

Troll Alert

 

[Phrazbit]

Troll Alert

If you're a shooting guard, and you're capable of handling the ball and passing also it is apparently something to be frowned upon.

 

[BC867]

If you're a shooting guard, and you're capable of handling the ball and passing also it is apparently something to be frowned upon.

If you can't think beyond your own experience when you become a Coach.

Remember that Jeff came up as a Point Guard who moved to the "2" rather than vice versa. Just as he did with Dragic. Then, just as he did with Bledsoe, bumping Dragic to Forward.

Tunnel vision.