Suns interested in Ben Gordon?

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Bulls exploring sign and trade deals for Gordon

Ben Gordon needs to decide between basically four different options. The first is for the Bulls to sign-and-trade Gordon, which is a definite possibility. GM John Paxson has recently had disscussion with multiple teams. The Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns and New Orleans Hornets are the most recent teams trying to work out a sign-and trade for Gordon. The second option for Gordon is to sign the qualifying offer sheet, play out one more year and become an un-resricted free agent. If the Bulls cannot swing a trade, look for this to most likely happen. The third option would be for Gordon to sign an extension for less money than what he feels hes worth. This likely will not happen unless Gordon suddenly has a change of heart and realizes what the Bulls are offering is actually a pretty fair deal. The last option for Gordon is to leave for Europe, which is the least likely of them all. Gordon has mainly mentioned Europe to hopefully grab the Bulls attention.​



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Welp, I'm not sure what the Suns would offer. I suppose the Bulls would want LB, but is Gordon really that much of an upgrade over LB relative to their price? If they wanted a deal that centered around Diaw, of course I'd do it, though it would make the Suns SUPER thin up front (Diaw right now is our only back up PF, with a rookie backing up an oft injured center).
 

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A trade for Ben Gordon would have to involve Barbosa. They are practically the same player, so why even do it? I'll take Barbs because he's a few million cheaper and doesn't have an ego. No thanks unless there are other players involved.
 

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Gordon is NOT the same player as Barbosa... he is much better.
 

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Gordon is NOT the same player as Barbosa... he is much better.

Really? Relative to their pay scale, LBs production is much better. Gordon is better than LB overall, but its not like they're light years apart. Lets look at last years numbers (which we'd all agree was a down year for LB):

........Gordon..................Barbosa
PPG...18.6......................15.6
RPG...3.1........................2.8
APG...3.0........................2.6
SPG....08.........................09
FG%...43.4......................46.2
FT%....90.8.....................82.2
3P%....41.0......................38.9
MPG.....31.8.....................29.5

So yah Gordon has a slight edge in most categories, but when you factor in the contracts, why move LB to hamstring yourself with another big deal? If they want to take Diaws bad contract (which I can't imagine) thats one thing. But moving for LB for a slightly better SG doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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A very weird rumor! Gordon is definitely an upgrade over LB, clearly a better scorer, and a little better in defence. But how much better? Does it worths the price? There is definitely some concern ...

Deng's new contract is 9.385M for first year, Gordon demands something similar. Diaw is a perfect match for a sign & trade and the only option, while Barbosa's salary doesn't match and we don't have any fillers available.

Does Paxon want Diaw? Possible. They have been looking for a scoring big man for some time, just tried to trade for Krstic. Diaw had a great season playing full time inside, and there is few other option in market.

I wouldn't worry too much about our inside depth. Amare is young and healthy, commanding most of minutes at 4, while Shaq + Robin is solid enough at 5. We'll definitely need another big man, or 2, by minimal contract. There is no point to keep 9M Diaw just for the handful minutes left.

If it happens, Barbosa definitely will also be traded in another deal, for a backup PG? How about a 3 teams deal, LB to New York, Malik Rose to Oklahoma, and we get Earl Watson?
 
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People need to realise that Boris Diaw is not being traded unless we get another big man in return that can play between 15-25 minutes a night.

Along with Lopez, Boris is our only servicable big man off the bench. So these deals with Diaw being traded for Gordon or any other guard for that matter are just wishful thinking. And I probably wouldn't even call it that because there's no way in hell I'd trade Boris for Gordon with our current roster.
 

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Along with Lopez, Boris is our only servicable big man off the bench. So these deals with Diaw being traded for Gordon or any other guard for that matter are just wishful thinking. And I probably wouldn't even call it that because there's no way in hell I'd trade Boris for Gordon with our current roster.

Like others have said if the Suns did move Boris (which I still think is unlikely given his bad contract) it would probably then mean another trade was coming down the pipeline w/ LB being traded for a big.
 

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wow hard choice but I would rather keep Barbosa since he is superfast and fits the suns offense a little better if they are still going to be like mike d team. If we did get gordon for barbosa though I wouldn't be that upset since he can shoot the 3 just as good and is a little better defender but not a huge upgrade eaither way.
 

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Really? Relative to their pay scale, LBs production is much better. Gordon is better than LB overall, but its not like they're light years apart. Lets look at last years numbers (which we'd all agree was a down year for LB):

........Gordon..................Barbosa
PPG...18.6......................15.6
RPG...3.1........................2.8
APG...3.0........................2.6
SPG....08.........................09
FG%...43.4......................46.2
FT%....90.8.....................82.2
3P%....41.0......................38.9
MPG.....31.8.....................29.5

So yah Gordon has a slight edge in most categories, but when you factor in the contracts, why move LB to hamstring yourself with another big deal? If they want to take Diaws bad contract (which I can't imagine) thats one thing. But moving for LB for a slightly better SG doesn't make much sense to me.

Put Gordon in D'Antoni's system and put Barbosa in Scott Skiles system, and
those numbers would change dramatically in Gordon's favor.
 

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I am conflicted on this. I agree that Ben Gordon would probably even be better then Barbosa in our system. However, trading Barbosa and his great contract without unloading Diaw doesn't sit well with me.

If Diaw is somehow part of a deal and we can unload his contract then get it done. However, if getting rid of Diaw is not part of it then I would be much more hesitant to do this deal.
 

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Put Gordon in D'Antoni's system and put Barbosa in Scott Skiles system, and
those numbers would change dramatically in Gordon's favor.

Can't agree more! Gordon is also a better defender as an individual, and played well under Skiles' tight team defense. This is also important for our quest to a title.

Deng's new contract averages 11.8M across 5 years, starting at 9.35M. Gordon is seaking a similar one, while Bulls r offering much less, close to 8M per (starting at 7M or less). We could satisfy Gordon by 10-11M per (8-8.5M for first year). LB makes 6.1M this season. The 2M gap is a very fair price for such an upgrade. Especially if the Bulls take back Diaw who we really dont want to keep.

LB is much easier to trade, there r a lot more teams interest on him than Diaw. We can get a PG or a big man back, or even both in 1 deal.
 

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I am conflicted on this. I agree that Ben Gordon would probably even be better then Barbosa in our system. However, trading Barbosa and his great contract without unloading Diaw doesn't sit well with me.

If Diaw is somehow part of a deal and we can unload his contract then get it done. However, if getting rid of Diaw is not part of it then I would be much more hesitant to do this deal.

If there is a deal, it has be Diaw, no any other way. It is impossible for Gordon to accept a new contract starting less than 8M for first year. Barbosa's 6.1M can not match that according to the 125% rule. Even if we add DJ Strawberry's contract, it is still not enough. And we don't have any other suitable fillers in roster.

Meanwhile, if the Bulls deal with us, they'd probably take Diaw instead of Barbosa. They have been looking for a 4/5 player who is an offensive force. Their backcourt is already very loaded. Rose, Deng, Nocioni (hard to trade), Hinrich (on block for a while but no taker), Larry Hughes (impossible to trade unless they take back equally bad contract). Look at their roster, why the hell do they want to add LB?

After so much thinking, I really hope Diaw for Gordon deal work out. But it remains a rumor so far ...
 
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The Bulls do not want another guard. Jerry wants to keep Kirk around and play at SG and rotate with Larry and have Rose play PG from day one and have Thabo back him up. I heard on the radio that the Bulls are willing to part with Nocioni too. They rumor is they are offering Gordon S&T and Nocioni to get someone to bite since Deng just extended.
 

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It is impossible for Gordon to accept a new contract starting less than 8M for first year. Barbosa's 6.1M can not match that according the 125% rule. Even if we add DJ Strawberry's contract, it is still not enough. And we don't have any other suitable fillers in roster.


He wants the exact deal Deng got, 6 year 70 some million. Although Deng is only making most of that in the last 3 years to help with the cap right now.
 

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Gordon has games where he disappeas completely, offensively and defensively. He also wants way too much money. Keep Barbosa.
 

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Gordon is a slightly better player right now but he wants twice the money Barbosa gets it seems like.
Barbosa also theoretically has more room for improvement in my opinion.

Gordon is probably even less of a PG and while he is more fluid offensively he also isnt a good defender and shorter than Barbosa.

Barbosa is more valueable as a trading piece im my opinion so if Chicago wanted him for Gordon who wants a huge contract than they need to give up more or take some of our trash which seems unlikely especially since we dont really have extremely bad players with bad contracts.
 

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