Suns look to trade up to #2 for Williams

[slinslin]

If we get Williams I want a guy like Nash showing him the ropes and to your point, I don't see the point in discussing it because Nash won't go to Minny.

I'll say this. If Williams is drafted #2 and Nash is here i guaran-damn-tee you he is ROY. Not even a question in my mind.

I wouldn't. I would rather see the ball in Williams hand most of the time not Nash.

 

[AzStevenCal]

At this point I'm not worried about who's right anymore.

However, if the Suns traded two consecutive first round picks now, 2011 and 2012 before the draft they would be in violation of the consecutive years clause. It has to be made on draft night or later.

I don't know if they can actually make a trade right now but as far as the Stepien rule goes, this is incorrect. IF they trade this years pick and next years pick and in return they receive a 1st round pick from either this year or the next year, it's my understanding that's okay.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

we must be OUTRAGEOUSLY desperate to talk about something. this team has literally nothing on it they could trade to get the #2 pick in the draft.

Don't go there Cheesebeef, because other than Irving there may not be a franchise player in the draft and now Williams appears slotted at #1 by some mocks. If I were Minnesota I would consider trading down even with the Suns for a decent offer. I think the Suns have more than enough to get to #2 in this particular draft because #2, IMO, is not golden. However, I would not want the Suns to pay the steep price in getting there. I think the various options have already been discussed. The Suns may well get just as good a player at #13 as #2 in this draft.

 

[Covert Rain]

I wouldn't. I would rather see the ball in Williams hand most of the time not Nash.

Nash is a proven all-star with the ball in his hands and led the league again in assists. You would rather see it in the hands of a rookie learning on the job who is not as familiar with this team and system?

Huh?

 

[Mulli]

Nash is a proven all-star with the ball in his hands and led the league again. You would rather see it in the hands of a rookie learning on the job who is not as familiar with this team and system?

Huh?

There is something to be said to turning over team to youngster(s) at some point.

 

[Covert Rain]

There is something to be said to turning over team to youngster(s) at some point.

I totally agree but as a rookie? That has rarely proven to be effective.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't know if they can actually make a trade right now but as far as the Stepien rule goes, this is incorrect. IF they trade this years pick and next years pick and in return they receive a 1st round pick from either this year or the next year, it's my understanding that's okay.

Steve

I would agree on this take. I'm just saying the Suns could not trade their 2011 and 2012 first round picks as it stands today for any old trade unless they get a first round pick in return. I admit I have expanded the horizon from getting the Wolves #2 pick in return.

 

[Mulli]

I totally agree but as a rookie? That has rarely proven to be effective.

 

[SirStefan32]

I totally agree but as a rookie? That has rarely proven to be effective.

Eh, as long as we have our own pick next year, it really doesn't bother me. I'd be perfectly fine with a 15 win season.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Eh, as long as we have our own pick next year, it really doesn't bother me. I'd be perfectly fine with a 15 win season.

This is absurd. 15 TOTAL??? Where are they going to get the other 4 wins?

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Don't go there Cheesebeef, because other than Irving there may not be a franchise player in the draft and now Williams appears slotted at #1 by some mocks. If I were Minnesota I would consider trading down even with the Suns for a decent offer. I think the Suns have more than enough to get to #2 in this particular draft because #2, IMO, is not golden. However, I would not want the Suns to pay the steep price in getting there. I think the various options have already been discussed. The Suns may well get just as good a player at #13 as #2 in this draft.

#2 in this draft IS golden. It's a two person draft. anything below that is garbage.

and just what DO we have to trade? A 38 year old breaking down PG? A decent starting C? Maybe Gortat gets that done, but that's about the only tradable piece we have to give a team that's as bad as the Wolves are. thinking anything otherwise is ludicrous in my opinion.

this team's only tradable asset is probably Gortat... at least for the #2 pick in this draft. Nash has value, but not to a team who is awful like the Wolves.

 

[AsUdUdE]

#2 in this draft IS golden. It's a two person draft. anything below that is garbage.

and just what DO we have to trade? A 38 year old breaking down PG? A decent starting C? Maybe Gortat gets that done, but that's about the only tradable piece we have to give a team that's as bad as the Wolves are. thinking anything otherwise is ludicrous in my opinion.

this team's only tradable asset is probably Gortat... at least for the #2 pick in this draft. Nash has value, but not to a team who is awful like the Wolves.

I agree... but I can also to the philsophy with Rubio coming over being able to have Nash there for 2-3 years and help him could be looked at as extremly vauable... especially for the PG position...

 

[Cheesebeef]

I agree... but I can also to the philsophy with Rubio coming over being able to have Nash there for 2-3 years and help him could be looked at as extremly vauable... especially for the PG position...

people keep saying this as if the NBA is the NFL. it's not and PGs aren't QBs. You sink or you swim in this league, especially if you're that high of pick.

and this team would never send Nash there and considering he only has ONE year left on his contract, the Wolves would be trading for a one year rent a vet who would no doubt bail afterward.

come on guys. this is common sense stuff.

 

[SunsTzu]

#2 in this draft IS golden. It's a two person draft. anything below that is garbage.

It's a 2 person draft but I don't think the #2 is golden. I don't see Irving or Williams as franchise level players. If the Suns can't get an impact PF and were more interested in rebuilding I'd rather they sell off whatever they can to acquire picks in next years draft.

Wouldn't be easy but with multiple picks in what promises to be a strong draft as well as money to spend in what will likely be a strong FA class they would be positioned for a quick rebuild.

Most likely they'll just make more Childress/Warrick type signings that will restrict 2012 spending and draft a low ceiling need player at 13 they feel can play right away.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's a 2 person draft but I don't think the #2 is golden. I don't see Irving or Williams as franchise level players. If the Suns can't get an impact PF and were more interested in rebuilding I'd rather they sell off whatever they can to acquire picks in next years draft.

Wouldn't be easy but with multiple picks in what promises to be a strong draft as well as money to spend in what will likely be a strong FA class they would be positioned for a quick rebuild.

Most likely they'll just make more Childress/Warrick type signings that will restrict 2012 spending and draft a low ceiling need player at 13 they feel can play right away.

i agree with all of this.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I don't see Irving or Williams as franchise level players.

This is what I'm worried about. What's the point of gaming this draft if we have to give up what little we do have just to sustain mediocrity? When are we going to tank and get the #1 in a legit draft?

 

[Magnus]

Well, Minnesota is the worst team in the league partially because they don't do trades or drafts very well. So I hope we can somehow package them Lopez alongside Nash for that #2 pick. Throw in #13 if needed. From an objective standpoint, it's a bad trade for them, but maybe Minnesota thinks otherwise?
This could be a great aquisition.

No matter how weak the draft is, #2 still means something. It's hard to see Williams as a franchise player for sure, but I may expect all-star from him. That in itself is more than I can say about Lopez.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, Minnesota is the worst team in the league partially because they don't do trades or drafts very well. So I hope we can somehow package them Lopez alongside Nash for that #2 pick. Throw in #13 if needed. From an objective standpoint, it's a bad trade, but maybe Minnesota thinks otherwise?
This could be a great aquisition.

No matter how weak the draft is, #2 still means something. It's hard to see Williams as a franchise player for sure, but I may expect all-star from him. That in itself is more than I can say about Lopez.

hey, if we were cold hearted enough to do Nash/Lopez for #2 and Minny was dumb enough to do it, i'd be all for it. I just don't see us trading Nash to a team he'd have zero desire to play for.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

hey, if we were cold hearted enough to do Nash/Lopez for #2 and Minny was dumb enough to do it, i'd be all for it. I just don't see us trading Nash to a team he'd have zero desire to play for.

That would be a soviet style Siberia banishment.

 

[Magnus]

hey, if we were cold hearted enough to do Nash/Lopez for #2 and Minny was dumb enough to do it, i'd be all for it. I just don't see us trading Nash to a team he'd have zero desire to play for.

Yeah I know. It is the most sensible decision for the organisation, but it really is a tough call.

Best case scenario of all time is we give him to them for #2, and Minnesota trades him to a contender for something else haha. But that is beyond zero chance

 

[mojorizen7]

There is something to be said to turning over team to youngster(s) at some point.

+9585748934

 

[leclerc]

The untouchables for me are Gortat, Nash and 2012 1st round pick. Don't take back too many bad contracts. It probably won't do but we don't have much right now. Just as well to be smart with the contracts and hold out for next year ... higher pick and a couple free agents.

Sending Nash is too cold hearted.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The untouchables for me are Gortat, Nash and 2012 1st round pick. Don't take back too many bad contracts. It probably won't do but we don't have much right now. Just as well to be smart with the contracts and hold out for next year ... higher pick and a couple free agents.

why the heck is Nash an untouchable? with only one year left on his deal, i assume that means you want him BACK for another contract after his expires next year right? do you realize that bringing him back means that holding out for next year is meaningless because with his new contract, we would have very little wiggle room in FA, which would basically mean we'd be stuck with the shitsandwich we have now... for years.

 

[slinslin]

Why is anyone on this team untouchable... We have not even a single allstar caliber player except a 38 year old Nash.

 

[slinslin]

This is what I'm worried about. What's the point of gaming this draft if we have to give up what little we do have just to sustain mediocrity? When are we going to tank and get the #1 in a legit draft?

They don't have to be. I think both can be multiple time allstars.