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Gortat is our best asset by far. He is a young starting center on an outstanding contract who averages a double-double. I don't have to remind Suns fans that centers like Gortat don't grow on trees. The #2 and Pekovic is not enough for Gortat and the #13
Gortat is our best asset by far. He is a young starting center on an outstanding contract who averages a double-double. I don't have to remind Suns fans that centers like Gortat don't grow on trees. The #2 and Pekovic is not enough for Gortat and the #13
Other than maybe one poster on this board, I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
I don't have a clue who you're talking about but I think it would be a sinsin to trade Gortat for anything other than mulitple FUTURE picks (unprotected, obviously). I like Williams and wouldn't mind pairing him with Marcin but if it's going to cost us Gortat, I'd like it to be for something that could pay dividends down the road. With Williams, we'd be a bad team with a good player and that doesn't seem much different than what we're about to be.
Steve
What poster devalues Gortat and persistently includes him in trade proposals? You have one guess. "Sinsin" was close but no prize.
I'd like to keep Gortat but I'm willing to engage in what-if games until the draft. It's just another thing to talk about. I think someone at ESPN got this rumor started.
I would Love to make that Trade and Gortat is my favorite player currently. The only issue I have is I believe Derrick Williams could put up Amar'e Stoudemire like numbers at the 4 but I did read he sees himself as 3. Still don't know how I feel about that, he has talent to play the 3 but I'm not sure who you would compare him to at the 3... I'd rather have another Amar'e than I would Carmelo Anthony, for example.
and for all the talk that Williams would be a much lower Draft Pick in a deeper Draft - last year Ekpe Udoh went high, Michael Beasley, Jordan Hill, Yi Jianlian, Channing Frye, Sheldin Williams, Mike Sweetney, etc. - I would rather have him over those other top-10 Picks, in recent years. IMO, he proved more than everybody on that list but maybe Beasley.
Even if we can convince Williams to play the 4, do we really want 5, 6, 7 years of a 6'8" SF who was convinced to play PF?
I would take Williams on this team, but I would not want to use Gortat to get him and I would let him play at SF.
Anything less than that is square peg, round hole....
Yeah sounds good to hang onto Gortat.
Gortat + Williams = yes
Gortat + Nash = okay
Nash + Williams = no
My biggest problem with "slinslins" no brainer trading Gortat for #2 is this. In a deeper draft Williams falls in the draft. In a deeper draft no way Williams is the #2 pick. His value is overinflated IMO because this draft is riddled with guys destined to become journeyman type players. Guys are so close in talent that many draft sites have had guys sliding up and down since they first posted their Mock drafts. Many analyst are saying several of these players are simply too close in talent.
Would I consider it? I think you have to look at it because it is the #2 pick. But it's not a lock. You should be able to wrangle that #2 pick without giving up Gortat. You should be able to throw in Lopez another player possibly a 2nd rounder next year. There is just no reason that the #2 pick should cost you Gortat in this draft.
The biggest case for that is slinslins hatred for the guy.
dude did you watch any of the tourney? williams was one of the best or if not the best player in that tournament. he was absolutely lethal.
dude did you watch any of the tourney? williams was one of the best or if not the best player in that tournament. he was absolutely lethal.
here's the deal, i'd hate to see gortat go, but sometimes you have to take risks in order to get better. williams has potential to be an unbelievable player in the NBA. no one knows, thats why you gotta take a risk. gortat is a great player, maybe not all-star caliber, but he does his work. like i said, i'd hate to see him go, but i would be very excited to see what williams can do in a suns uniform. the real dark horse here is robin lopez. he's still young, and if he can improve his game, we may not miss gortat as much. there is a lot of "if's"...but sometimes, you gotta take risks.
So was Ed Pinckney when we drafted him. There are lots of players that have good tournament runs but do not pan out that well in the NBA. Again, Williams looks like a clone of Beasley to me. I think there is a good chance he will be a good player.
This.
Potential FRANCHISE PLAYERS are what gold in the NBA. Not a 15 and 8 defensive minded Center. Take a step back here guys. You are overvaluing Gortat. Again i LOVE Marcin. But you take the swing on Williams. 10 times out of 10.