Suns looking to trade KT for Gooden or Wilcox?

[Louis]

Here's the link. http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Also mentions Jeffries out of Washington but apparently he has been offered some change from NY.

Article also says insiders say KT for Gooden in a S&T isn't a possibility.

Leaving only Wilcox.

 

[boisesuns]

I'm sure there is some interest, but it's probably unlikeley. I'd like to see how KT does in this lineup, especially how the team is stacking up right now.

 

[fordronken]

I'd absolutely take a KT sign and trade for Chris Wilcox.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd absolutely take a KT sign and trade for Chris Wilcox.

I am not sure why Seattle would do it though. If they want the cap space (after KT's deal ends next year) they could just let Wilcox walk instead. If they want a player, the younger Wilcox is certainly a better option for them than KT.

Any deal like this would have to include valuable draft picks as an incentive.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don't understand all the Kurt Thomas trade rumors...the Suns were a far better team last year with him, both defensively and in terms of wins.

 

[Folster]

I am not sure why Seattle would do it though. If they want the cap space (after KT's deal ends next year) they could just let Wilcox walk instead. If they want a player, the younger Wilcox is certainly a better option for them than KT.

Any deal like this would have to include valuable draft picks as an incentive.

Bingo.

 

[George O'Brien]

Rumor is that Wilcox is beginning to negotiate in earnest with the Sonics now that he faces an uncertain future an RFA zombie next season if he wants playout his option year.

The Sonics ARE interested in Marion, but every proposal dies when it turns out that Fortson is included.

 

[cly2tw]

Rumor is that Wilcox is beginning to negotiate in earnest with the Sonics now that he faces an uncertain future an RFA zombie next season if he wants playout his option year.

The Sonics ARE interested in Marion, but every proposal dies when it turns out that Fortson is included.

Marion for whom? Lewis? So, Marion + JJ for Lewis, Petro, Fortson and then we waive Forston. What's the problem? Or Marion + LB for Lewis and Wilcox s&t?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

The Sonics ARE interested in Marion, but every proposal dies when it turns out that Fortson is included.

Based on a rumor from draft day? They wanted Marion because they are worried about losing Lewis for nothing.

And the Fortson inclusion was not the reason the deal never materialized (and he was only included in one proposal - hardly every proposal)

 

[JCSunsfan]

Rumor is that Wilcox is beginning to negotiate in earnest with the Sonics now that he faces an uncertain future an RFA zombie next season if he wants playout his option year.

The Sonics ARE interested in Marion, but every proposal dies when it turns out that Fortson is included.

Are you getting this info from. . . .? Secret insider e-mails or something?

(not trying to be a wise-guy, just curious)

 

[George O'Brien]

Are you getting this info from. . . .? Secret insider e-mails or something?

(not trying to be a wise-guy, just curious)

I read the rumor pages every day. I know the ESPN Insider mentioned the problems created by the fact that Fortson sued JC for defamation of character and ended up having to drop the case.

When it came up, there was a lot of discussion on this board about getting Ridnour, Collison, etc. as the filler; but that was never part of any rumor being published by standard news sources.

The KT for Wilcox deal has all the same issues as trading for Gooden. I cannot see how the Suns could afford to extend on Diaw if they brought in a guy with big contract for five years at the price per year that KT has for two.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The KT for Wilcox deal has all the same issues as trading for Gooden. I cannot see how the Suns could afford to extend on Diaw if they brought in a guy with big contract for five years at the price per year that KT has for two.

These trade rumors seem so persistent, yet they don't make sense unless its Marion instead of KT, because we would then have the change to sign Diaw. But that doesn't make sense if we want to win it all this year.

So, I can't see any of it happening.

 

[Shazam]

I enjoy reading these trading rumors, but I think Dantoni values stability and players he feels comfortable with, even above finding players who could fit his system better.
Dantoni the coach would rather have KT and Marion with experience playing his style, than fit Rashard Lewis in and develop Petro.

 

[Kolo]

Just read the Sonics soon will sign Wilcox to a 3 year/$24 million extension. Hopefully, that will mitigate to some extent the damage done by Nene's contract as far as Diaw is concerned.

I'd like another athletic big to rotate w/ Amare and Diaw in the post as well, but the more I think about it, the better off we are standing pat, hoping the Atlanta pick turns into Al Horford or Josh McRoberts or a svelte Glen Davis or etc..., and using the cash Sarver's willing to spend to keep Diaw and Barbosa.

EDIT: and keep Marion. The only way we get Wilcox or Gooden is by committing $50 million, and that means giving up somebody who's making significant cash that's already on the team within a year or two. Not worth it, to me. It'd be nice to trade KT for Gooden or Wilcox at 3 years and $24 million, but at that price, they won't be dealt.

 

[fordronken]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003162350_soni30.html

Sounds like it's gonna be a three year deal, but it may ALSO be a sign-and-trade with Golden State or Phoenix. I'm a little confused.

 

[fordronken]

If he were to come here on a three year deal, we would have an incredibly high payroll for 08'-09', but then would have something along the lines of 40+ million dollars potentially coming off the books with Nash, Marion, Wilcox and James Jones. It would give us flexibility to decide what to do at that point if Sarver was willing to go extremely nuts for those two seasons(assuming an extension for Diaw and possibly Barbosa).

Of course, if Diaw does get say, an 8 million a year extension and Barbosa around 4-5, our payroll in 08'-09' would be 96 million dollars just in our top 9 players(Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw, Barbosa, Bell, Banks, Jones, Wilcox). When you look at the numbers like that, it just doesn't seem realistic. If we sign Wilcox to a three year deal, you have to think somebody will get dumped after this season(before Diaw's extension kicks in).

 

[Joe Mama]

I don't care if Chris Wilcox signs a deal that pays him an average of $8 million per season. Boris Diaw is going to get a deal averaging at least $9 million and more likely it will be averaging $10 million.

Joe Mama

 

[fordronken]

I don't care if Chris Wilcox signs a deal that pays him an average of $8 million per season. Boris Diaw is going to get a deal averaging at least $9 million and more likely it will be averaging $10 million.

Joe Mama

Okay, then the payroll will be 97 or 98 million for nine players. Either way, it's not gonna happen.

 

[George O'Brien]

I don't care if Chris Wilcox signs a deal that pays him an average of $8 million per season. Boris Diaw is going to get a deal averaging at least $9 million and more likely it will be averaging $10 million.

Joe Mama

If Wilcox and Gooden come in at $8 million (or less), I think that will be the market and not Nene. For the Suns, Diaw is worth more because he fits the Suns style, but on most teams the much stronger rebounding of Wilcox and Gooden would seem to be a very big deal.

Boris Diaw
Phoenix Suns
Position: F
Height: 6-8 Weight: 215
From : France
Player file | Team stats

2005-06 Statistics
PPG 13.3
RPG 6.9
APG 6.2
SPG .72
BPG 1.05
FG% .526
FT% .731
3P% .267
MPG 35.5

Drew Gooden
Cleveland Cavaliers
Position: F
Height: 6-10 Weight: 242
College : Kansas
Player file | Team stats

2005-06 Statistics
PPG 10.7
RPG 8.4
APG .7
SPG .66
BPG .62
FG% .512
FT% .682
3P% .333
MPG 27.5

 

[SunsTzu]

I think the player up for extention who's value is closest to Diaw's is Hinrich. Bulls are not set to get in serious with his negotiations until after international play but I'll be intrested on how it goes.

 

[Mainstreet]

If he were to come here on a three year deal, we would have an incredibly high payroll for 08'-09', but then would have something along the lines of 40+ million dollars potentially coming off the books with Nash, Marion, Wilcox and James Jones. It would give us flexibility to decide what to do at that point if Sarver was willing to go extremely nuts for those two seasons(assuming an extension for Diaw and possibly Barbosa).

Of course, if Diaw does get say, an 8 million a year extension and Barbosa around 4-5, our payroll in 08'-09' would be 96 million dollars just in our top 9 players(Nash, Marion, Stoudemire, Diaw, Barbosa, Bell, Banks, Jones, Wilcox). When you look at the numbers like that, it just doesn't seem realistic. If we sign Wilcox to a three year deal, you have to think somebody will get dumped after this season(before Diaw's extension kicks in).

Fordronken, I understand if you project future salaries and their impact into the future, the Suns, sooner or later, get their hands tied (especially if they sign a player with a higher salary like Wilcox). I understand and accept this logic if all things remained the same for the Suns and other teams in the NBA. However, all things change and do not remain static and I think (and you probably do as well) that the Suns roster will change several times over the next few years and that perhaps a core player may have to be moved. My logic, which IMO is really not contradictory to yours, is to assemble the best team available now (within reason) and move the least essential part next season or when the needs arises.

If the Suns sign good players to reasonable contracts, the Suns should be able to move such contracts in the future if needed. In regard to Diaw and Barbosa, if their salaries are extended they would not impact the Suns this coming season. My logic, if I'm the Suns, if you have quality players under contract (Diaw and Barbosa) that can within reason be extended for hopefully less (but no more than market value)... do it now.

Then if the Suns win a Championship next season, we may not need to dump contracts (because of increased supplemental revenue) or if the Suns do need to get rid of a contract or two, it is not hard to trade quality players. Also the Suns, IMO, are not going to use all three first round draft picks. I think they will use at least one, if necessary, to move a player.

My thought process is really the old market concepts of if you buy quality you have quality and the concept of buy low and sell high combined.

So if I'm the Suns, if I could add a player which I think would give the Suns a high probability of winning a Championship this coming season I would worry about what player may have to be moved next season.

My Personal Opinion: I would add a pick with KT and try to move him now for a young 4/5 like Wilcox, Gooden, Jeffries or whoever D'Antoni likes for the Suns and this lessens the financial burden for the Suns (or advoids the luxury tax for a couple seasons) and allows for the Suns to add a young 4/5. The Suns would also gain an additional year to consider who they may want to move or keep on their roster for the future as KT is still under contract at a significant salary for two seasons.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think the player up for extention who's value is closest to Diaw's is Hinrich. Bulls are not set to get in serious with his negotiations until after international play but I'll be intrested on how it goes.

you can throw Josh Howard on that list also. Both he, Hinrich and Boris seem to be around the same level - not MAX guys, not MLE guys, but middle-stars, who are young and have flashed serious talent for contending teams. Those are the guys that are the benchmarks for contracts, not a relative stiff like Gooden or a 30 game semi-wonder in Wilcox.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the value of Josh Howard is probably higher than Hinrich and I like Hinrich. IMO, Josh Howard's value right now is very high... good enough that some team could put a JJ type sticker price on him if he becomes a RFA.

Note: What did JJ go for... 70 million and 20-25 million upfront.

 

[SunsTzu]

you can throw Josh Howard on that list also. Both he, Hinrich and Boris seem to be around the same level - not MAX guys, not MLE guys, but middle-stars, who are young and have flashed serious talent for contending teams. Those are the guys that are the benchmarks for contracts, not a relative stiff like Gooden or a 30 game semi-wonder in Wilcox.

Yeah Kaman too. Reason I went with Hinrich is because I think he and Diaw have more untapped potential than the others and are more versitile. Though if they all hit the market next year I think Diaw and Howard would draw the most intrest given the teams likely to have the capspace.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah Kaman too. Reason I went with Hinrich is because I think he and Diaw have more untapped potential than the others and are more versitile. Though if they all hit the market next year I think Diaw and Howard would draw the most intrest given the teams likely to have the capspace.

wow - those arte 4 very good players who could hit RFA - I'll be shocked if more than one of them actually makes it there. And out of all those guys, Boris has the most potential IMO.

I mean good lord - that 2003 draft was just insane. All this talk about the 2007 draft might be overblown and I know I've been part of the group that syas stuff like "it's the best draft in 20 years". Can a draft be much better than Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Chris Kaman, Kirk Heinrich, Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard? That's 3 bona-fide MEGA-STARS, an up and coming SUPERSTAR with Bosh and 5 other guys who are all either 2nd or third tier stars, not to mention guys like David West, Luke Ridnour, TJ Ford and what we hope to be another good player in Marcus Banks.