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Happy Birthday Steve Nash.
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It's hard to imagine the Suns smother Stephen Jackson and not let him get up a final shot. This is so unlike the Suns.
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Yea, I thought this game would end like that Jamal Crawford 3 at AWA.
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HAPPY BDAY NASH
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i couldn't hate this team more if I tried.
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No crap...Nash makes the rest of these scrubs look like NBA players, and artificially inflates our win total to ensure we'll end up with a mid round pick. Can't wait until next year when we have a mediocre pick, no Nash (with no compensation) and no hope. Hope Sarver and CO are really savoring these pyrrhic victories.
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Exactly!
That's why I would suppor this team more through losses than through wins. I wish this management team had some coherent strategic vision for the future of this franchise. Their present tactic is to maintain mediocrity for some reason. Garbage. The hell will come, it's just a matter of whether the team is prepared for it or not....
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I'm thinking the Suns FO believes Nash has at least two more quality seasons in him beyond this season and will pay him accordingly although not as much as he currently makes. IMO, the Suns want to re-sign Nash, add a couple of quality FAs and get lucky in a deep draft.
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Dear God...if they really trot out the Nash show again...
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The problem is not Nash but who plays with him. If one can get by Nash turning 38, he is playing as well as ever. Nash is in his 8th season after returning to Phoenix from Dallas, where way back when, he was considered past his prime. Look at Nash's career stats. See link below.
Maybe the Suns need to add only a couple of quality FAs and have a good draft to be back in business. I know this is not the popular view (and I have doubts about it as well) however the NBA draft is not sure thing either. It's not like the Suns do not have a quality center on their roster in Gortat.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/career_stats.html
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Nash is playing exceedingly well, there is no argument here. Sadly, Nash is just fools gold at this point. Even if we extend Nash for a couple years, it seems highly unlikely he'll play more than 2 years. Further, there is zero chance an elite player comes here to play with Nash.
Sure, the draft isn't guaranteed, but top 3 picks turn pretenders into decent teams, not mid round picks. Our roster is a wasteland, and is so bad we could drop almost anyone on the team and I wouldn't even care. With Gortat as our only asset, we need young talent and fast. Nash is only retarding that process.
For the best of all involved parties, time to move on.
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The Suns need a franchise player, not a couple of free agents.
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This is what the Suns need but they're not always available.
The best thing the Suns can do is make the franchise attractive for one to come here if they cannot draft one. Gortat and Nash are not chopped liver. I'm guessing the Suns are not going to be in position to draft a top 3 type player unless they are lucky (or good in drafting one later) because the Suns are not tanking. I'm just trying to be realistic. It's not unheard of for a franchise player to become available. The key is being able to seize the moment if an opportunity arises.
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Dwight - please demand to play with Nash.
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This.
At the start of the season I was hoping that they'd lose every game. But now I find myself rooting for them to win when I'm watching the games. I can't bring myself to hope that they lose. As much as I hate Sarver and the current state of the team I still can't root for them to lose.
We all need to accept that they're NOT going to tank this year. No matter how much we would like them to do so. At this point I'm hoping for a steal in the middle of the 1st round, a few quality free agents, and a chance to make some noise next season.
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Please explain to me how you'd be disappointed by the Suns bringing back one of the best PG's in the league? And I don't want to hear the "it hasn't worked yet" line. 1 person does not make a championship team. (Just ask Lebron.)
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I agree. Imagine if the Suns would have "tanked" in 1976 when they went on their Cinderella run.
I understand the hope for good draft pick, but am a bit surprised by the "I hate this team" talk when they are gutting out these wins with heart.
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Because the guy is 38 years old and it is obvious we won't ever be contenders again before he retires.
So for the time being bringing Nash back only means another .500 season at best.
How can people compare this situation to Lebron or for example Paul Pierce with the Celtics. Those guys were like a decade younger or more.
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I don't know how anyone can say for sure that the Suns can't be a contender again in the next year or two. I don't place a lot of faith in the current ownership, but I think the Suns are one consistent scorer and a few quality FA's away from being relevant again.
Ignoring the knee and money issues I'd bet that the Suns would be fighting for home court advantage if Amare was on the roster as it is formed now. Amare + Gortat would be fun to watch and hard to stop.
I guess I've just accepted the fact that the Suns are not going to tank in order to get better. So I'm looking at the alternative. Keeping Nash for a few more years, hopefully getting lucky in a deep draft, and bringing in a few quality players.
Ignoring the knee and money issues I'd bet that the Suns would be fighting for home court advantage if Amare was on the roster as it is formed now. Amare + Gortat would be fun to watch and hard to stop.
I guess I've just accepted the fact that the Suns are not going to tank in order to get better. So I'm looking at the alternative. Keeping Nash for a few more years, hopefully getting lucky in a deep draft, and bringing in a few quality players.
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This. You don't build around an oft injured 38 year old, no matter how good he's currently playing. Fools gold.
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Eh no even if they got Gordon at best they are a fringe playoff team if even that.
If they sign more role players to big deals like eg Beasley and Mayo for 10M$ per each they will end up like the Detroit Pistons once Nash retires.
The Suns are a lot further away from being a contender again. Compare our roster to Miami, OKC or LAC and tell me with a straight face that we are not that far away. We have 1 allstar caliber player and that guy will turn 39 next season.
This year we will have missed the playoffs 3 times in the last 4 years.
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and i don't understand not being able to see that there is no hope for this team as long as they continue to be stuck in purgatory.
the idea that "we sign a couple FAs and get a steal in the draft" could equal us making noise next year just isn't even close to belonging in any realm of reality. we're a below average team... coming into FA where there aren't any major difference makers and you guys want to cripple us for the future by spending big in FA so we can go from below average to maybe slightly above average, but a complete and utter playoff pretender? that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
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Below average is charitable. Take away Nash, and we have a bottom 3 roster, with maybe Charlotte and Toronto below us. Can anyone think of any other teams we're better than sans Nash?
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Maybe NOH too. They have a pretty crap roster without Gordon and he'll probably walk in the offseason.
