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Seattle/Oklahoma City worked him out overseas.
Apparently, his agent told teams to pick him in the top 15 or the second round in order to compensate for a potential buyout this summer.
Suns sign Dragic... really.
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Seattle/Oklahoma City worked him out overseas.
Apparently, his agent told teams to pick him in the top 15 or the second round in order to compensate for a potential buyout this summer.
Maybe it is just hard for some of you to believe the Suns pulled one off on the rest of the league. He did have strings attatched though, so what scout or GM would be willing to stick his neck out like Kerr did? Takes faith in yourself or big cojones. IMO.
Great news! I'm impressed with the FO moves this offseason:
- Terry Porter
- Robin Lopez
- Matt Barnes
- Goran Dragic
From Coro in the republic, part of the reason drajic was a second round pick:
Dragic's camp sent a pre-draft memo to NBA teams to take him only in the top 15 or in the second round, given that he would be paid like a top pick.
Hopefully that is true as it answers the big question of WHY all the hype (and in fairness he has looked pretty darn good from everything i've seen).
Dragic's camp sent a pre-draft memo to NBA teams to take him only in the top 15 or in the second round, given that he would be paid like a top pick.
Hopefully that is true as it answers the big question of WHY all the hype (and in fairness he has looked pretty darn good from everything i've seen).
If he and lopez are productive in their roles next year, all of sudden don't we have the deepest team in the league?
We may not be an A level contender like we were the last few years, but I think we still may have one more shot next year... however there are a lot of questions.
We may not be an A level contender like we were the last few years, but I think we still may have one more shot next year... however there are a lot of questions.
Among 30 teams, only several were seeking PG. It was a deep draft with a lot of of high profile guards, true PG or combo guards who might transfer into NBA PG. Most of teams got their target b4 #45 pick. Even Miami got a decent PG in second round, Chalmers, who doesn't require 500k buyout and signed to a 700k minimal contract. Think about the several million extra expense and 2 months of hardworking, I would say the other GMs just saved themselve a big headache.
After so much trouble, if Dragic turns out to be a flop, people will definitely laugh Kerr about this whole thing... All I can say is, Kerr really has balls.
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dragic era has started in phoenix!
still waiting for a trade involving Lb and/or diaw..
still waiting for a trade involving Lb and/or diaw..
Why?
To save money and weaken the team .......kinda like one step up two steps back. I hope not. Shhhh...Don't give Sarver any ideas.
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Smells like.......fresh legs come the post-season.
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Sounds like Jay Leno's headlines!
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Sounds more like Arizona Republic headlines. They recently ran one saying that last year showed more fatalities among traffic deaths (.....really, I'm not making that up).
At some time, somebody will get traded because in sports people get traded. But there is no urgency to meed a crying need. Any trade will be because somebody made them an offer they can't refuse. The great thing about depth is that you can make three for one deals for Barkley because you've got guys to step up.
I realize there is a belief that having quality guys on the bench creates a crisis because "there aren't enough minutes"; but IMHO that is just wrong. This is an older team that has guys who can't play really heavy minutes and probably won't return from minor injuries as fast as younger guys. After finally getting the necessary depth, don't just give it away.
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I should have backed that up. Here it is:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/31/20080731crashes730.html
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I like the Suns current 13 man roster (counting Dragic). At least on paper they appear to have a solid roster in regard to depth. In past years I have not felt this way because the Suns did not have an adequate PG to backup Nash and were weak at center (prior to Shaq). I was always feeling they were always one or two players away. Now if the Suns want a different type player for their system, they should be able to do a trade out of power instead of need. This is where the best deals are put together as you point out.
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OK, I'll say it. It is the most balanced roster in Suns history, and I have been watching them since the beginning.
The combination of size, strength, rebounding, defense and offense is unheard of for a Suns team.
The weakness is shooting.
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Pretty big weakness.
I thought not having enough 3 point shooters was our weakness last year. We didn't really address that at all but I'm satisfied.
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That is so true. And it all started with the acquisition of the Big Saguaro.
Who were the legitimate, quality Centers who finished Suns games over the past 40 years? Not Mark West, due to foul trouble. Not James Edwards, a 7-footer who played 20 feet from the basket? Not Oliver Miller or Jeff Cook.
The only one may be Neal Walk, and that was before Alvan Adams locked up the Center position at 212 lbs.
Jerry's failed coin toss for Lou Alcindor set a pattern of weakness for decades to come. And the Suns probably would have played Kareem at high-post anyway . . . just as D'Antoni did to Shaq when he arrived last season.
Some may not like reading this, but the Colangelo legacy is now officially over.
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Let's blame JC for the coin toss on David Robinson as well.
Alvin Adams played the high post center because of his skill set and the Suns did not have any other quality center. The Suns in all probability would have also been moved from Phoenix if it wasn't for JC. There is too much history for me to repeat... things you should already know. I don't know what your grudge is with the C's but may you should look at the facts and not to your opinion. JC made mistakes as any owner makes over time but JC always bent over backwards to correct them.
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2 seven footers on the team along with the most offensively dominating PF in the game. This is not the suns of old!
I really hope Dragic turns out to be a franchise PG. The Suns have been blessed for decades with the quality PGs we have had running our teams.
I really hope Dragic turns out to be a franchise PG. The Suns have been blessed for decades with the quality PGs we have had running our teams.
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Whoa, Mainstreet. I was specifically concurring with JCSunsfan's post, which said, "OK, I'll say it. It is the most balanced roster in Suns history, and I have been watching them since the beginning. The combination of size, strength, rebounding, defense and offense is unheard of for a Suns team."Let's blame JC for the coin toss on David Robinson as well.
Alvin Adams played the high post center because of his skill set and the Suns did not have any other quality center. The Suns in all probably would have also been moved from Phoenix if it wasn't for JC. There is too much history for me to repeat... things you should already know. I don't know what your grudge is with the C's but may you should look at the facts and not to your opinion. JC made mistakes as any owner makes over time but JC always bent over backwards to correct them.
It's true. And, as a long term Suns fan, I took a look at why, which led to the discussing the Suns centers over the decades.
As marketing and promotion, Jerry Colangelo was excellent. As a GM, he was the constant that held the Suns back from the "combination of size, strength, rebounding, defense and offense" that JCSunsfan referred to.
Your response of generalizations is why I added, "Some may not like reading this, but the Colangelo legacy is now officially over." If you don't think that's valid, it's OK.
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I'm sorry, but you make it seem like JC lost coin flips to Kareem and David Robinson on purpose. Most teams aren't in the position to get the number one pick (at least you hope they aren't and when they are, none of them got screwed by fate like we twice in losing out on Kareem and Robinson. And it's not like they didn't try drafting a big when they got the chance (William Bedford) or turned down the opportunity to get one (Dikembe who they thought they had traded for in the Barkley deal before the commish put the kabosh on the trade.)
BC867
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Why do things have to be all or nothing? Four examples over the better part of 40 years is not a legitimate alibi for the Suns long history of being regarded as a finesse team.
Why? Because JC brought a college coach from Oklahoma, who brought his 212 lb. Center, and it lasted for a decade.
Actually it lasted longer than that, right through D'Antoni. Power Forwards covering Center. Small Forwards covering Power Forward. Three Guards on the court.
Talk about a domino effect. And what was the outcome, over and over?
The ol' 50-and-fade. Win at home, don't embarrass yourself on the road and make an appearance in the playoffs. As long as the turnstyles kept turning.
Do you know who exposed it? Jerry Colangelo himself.
Just as Utah gets away with 50-and-fade, with the Jazz as the only game in town, so did the Suns.
Until Jerry introduced the D'backs, then we became a 4-Major-League-team city. Then there was competition for the Valley's entertainment dollars.
How ironic that Jerry was the indirect catalyst after being the status quo for so long.
I believe all of this sincerely, just as I have since first rooting for the Suns in 1970, 38 years ago. I don't expect everyone else to.
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