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It’s like ishbia saying “F you, Jobu. I do this myself!”
Suns trade for Beal
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Ouchie-Z-Clown
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Those won’t be swapped. It’s a right to swap. And you’re right, we will be better than the wiz in those seasons so no swapping will occur.Those first round pick swaps are going to be huge for the Suns because the Wizards are guaranteed to be terrible in '24 and '26.
Is this the all time greatest trade for the Suns ever or what?
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We will have our first round pick next year. And there are new title seeking free agents every season.
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I thought I heard on the radio today that Beal was the only active player in the league with a no trade clause. That surprised me.
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Didn't even dawn on me until watching a video a little bit ago just how much power that gives him. Not only can he choose which team he goes to, but can also decline the deal if he feels the team he would be going to is giving up too much. Wonder if that has something to do with Goodwin being included in the deal.
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This trade does not hurt our depth. We traded CP3 for an all star caliber guard and Shamet for a rotational guard in Goodwin. We still have the ability to trade Ayton for depth and also sign "ring chasers" for cheap.
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No, it doesn't, but it doesn't help it either, and a lack of depth killed the Suns against Denver.
Right because you likely would have waived CP3, tried to get an exception player to back him up or be forced to trade Ayton and hope you get the farm for him.
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Trading 2nd rounders statistically is not doubling down. This isn’t the NFL.
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Mainly more defensive rebounds by the Suns mainly because with Durant, Book, and Beal that ball should be swishing through the net with high percentage regularity on the offensive end. Go Suns!!
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Really a lack of any consistent additional scoring outside Durant and book was a bigger issue than depth.
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It obviously isn't near the cost, so not a literal double down, but it's doubling on the principle behind the trade.
The Durant trade severely leveraged the club's future and to such a degree that it's pretty hard to leverage it any further.
To be clear, I love this trade, it is a no-brainer.
Yeah, our depth is going to be rough but we were already faced with a terrible situation in that regard. I don't really think getting Beal changes that outlook at all. Outside of the longshot chance of us finding solid rotation players in the 2nd round, I don't see much opportunity cost here.
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Brian Windbag did aptly nail the thinking behind the Beal trade.
"We're already going to be up against the 2nd threshold... if that is the case, why not blow it out of the water?"
Funny story from college. A friend of mine had a bad skiing accident up on Snow Bowl, rescue team, ambulance, almost a week in the hospital (this isn't the funny part).
He had no health insurance and his bill was nuts, something like 25k+ and he didn't come from money.
This should be a reason for despair but he saw opportunity. He found out that your credit basically resets 7 years after your first missed payment. He was only 23 or so, 7 years? That's nothin! He went out and bought some new furniture, got some dental work done, got some stereo equipment and... put it all on credit.
I hadn't thought about that story in a while, and retelling it now as a 40 year old I'm like "******** like him are why hospitals charge so damn much", but when I was 21, I thought it was pretty damn hilarious. I lost track of him after college, not sure how his scheme played out in the long term.
I imagine Ishbia and Jones feel the same way right now... and there are a whole lotta other teams around the league seething.
"We're already going to be up against the 2nd threshold... if that is the case, why not blow it out of the water?"
Funny story from college. A friend of mine had a bad skiing accident up on Snow Bowl, rescue team, ambulance, almost a week in the hospital (this isn't the funny part).
He had no health insurance and his bill was nuts, something like 25k+ and he didn't come from money.
This should be a reason for despair but he saw opportunity. He found out that your credit basically resets 7 years after your first missed payment. He was only 23 or so, 7 years? That's nothin! He went out and bought some new furniture, got some dental work done, got some stereo equipment and... put it all on credit.
I hadn't thought about that story in a while, and retelling it now as a 40 year old I'm like "******** like him are why hospitals charge so damn much", but when I was 21, I thought it was pretty damn hilarious. I lost track of him after college, not sure how his scheme played out in the long term.
I imagine Ishbia and Jones feel the same way right now... and there are a whole lotta other teams around the league seething.
Spotrac has an excellent write up on the financials of this deal, for anyone interested. It discusses where the Suns are after the deal is finalized and CP3 having most of his deal guaranteed to make the trade legal as far as matching salaries go.
www.spotrac.com
Bradley Beal Traded To Suns As Wizards Kickoff Rebuild | Spotrac News
Keith Smith breaks down the trade and financial ramifications of the Suns acquiring Bradley Beal for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and picks.
Bradley Beal Traded To Suns As Wizards Kickoff Rebuild | Spotrac News
Keith Smith breaks down the trade and financial ramifications of the Suns acquiring Bradley Beal for Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and picks.
That's what I was missing is the deal guarantee
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It hurt us - but how did we beat Denver twice and nearly 3 times(game 2)? By our 2 stars simply being nearly unstoppable, but if one of them had an off night we were screwed. With 3 the odds of 2 of the 3 having off nights is quite low.
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Jordan Goodwin who is a throw in in this deal does not look useless. He should be an upgrade to Saben Lee. For one thing he is a plus defender a 1.4 DBPM and he played 18 minutes a game for Washington.
To put that in perspective the only 2 Suns who had a better DBPM on our roster at the end of the year was Ish with a 1.5, and Biz with a 2.5. He's not terrible offensively either 5.5 assists per 36, 51% from 2 and a -0.7 OBPM.
He only shot 32% from 3 last year, but he has improved his 3 point shooting every year since his first year in college so hopefully that continues. Not saying he is great, but he does look like he can be a useful bench piece.
To put that in perspective the only 2 Suns who had a better DBPM on our roster at the end of the year was Ish with a 1.5, and Biz with a 2.5. He's not terrible offensively either 5.5 assists per 36, 51% from 2 and a -0.7 OBPM.
He only shot 32% from 3 last year, but he has improved his 3 point shooting every year since his first year in college so hopefully that continues. Not saying he is great, but he does look like he can be a useful bench piece.
The whole building a super team thing is being thrown around. Its funny how people in one breath talks about how we have a Big 4 with Ayton but then turn around and say Ayton is trash and has no trade value.
Maybe "Big 4" is referring to contracts..
What's interesting is how much hate Bradley Beal seems to be getting from Wizards, Heat, and other fans. Basically his NTC made him able to negotiate his landing spot and what that team could part with. Some rumors say he declined the deal if the Wiz received Ayton, perhaps knowing we'd need him or the assets he'd bring in to go with the big 3. Wizard fans don't even seem to be wishing him well.
