Suns trade Robin Lopez to Hornets; recieve 1st rd pick, Johnson in 3 team trade

[Phrazbit]

The hangup has got to be Brad Miller. He was traded only 2 weeks ago, I believe he cannot be traded again until late next month. Unless its a one for one trade (like Miller for Lopez straight up... which obvious the Suns wouldnt do)... the rules are goofy.

I'd assume they're trying to find a way to do it Miller-less, maybe with the Suns having to keep Warrick but gain extra draft compensation, or find a way to do it in 2 separate trades.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Azcentral is reporting that the pick in this trade will be Minny's own pick OR the Memphis pick. It sounds like both would be top 14 protected. I am guessing the first one that fits the conditions becomes ours. This would be a little better.

The report is unclear. Its just the first time it has mentioned that the pick could potentially be Minny's.

 

[leclerc]

Bloody hell I don't like the constant lotto protection. What good is a 1st round pick if it's never any good? All the top players are usually gone by then.

 

[sunsfan88]

Azcentral is reporting that the pick in this trade will be Minny's own pick OR the Memphis pick. It sounds like both would be top 14 protected. I am guessing the first one that fits the conditions becomes ours. This would be a little better.

The report is unclear. Its just the first time it has mentioned that the pick could potentially be Minny's.

Its already been confirmed that the pick is the Memphis pick

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2658634&postcount=188

 

[JCSunsfan]

Its already been confirmed that the pick is the Memphis pick

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2658634&postcount=188

I hate it when people correct me when I am right. That's an old tweet. This deal is still being worked out. Things change. Coro's article is clear that there is a possibility it will be the Minny pick. I imagine it is not likely, but it is still possible.

In the deal, Lopez and Warrick would go to New Orleans and Minnesota would send a conditional first-round pick, either its own or one owed them by Memphis, to the Suns along with Johnson, a third-year swingman. The draft pick would have top-14 protection for coming years

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...lopez-trade-remains-up-air.html#ixzz21p5kZ6Yt

 

[Griffin]

Bloody hell I don't like the constant lotto protection. What good is a 1st round pick if it's never any good? All the top players are usually gone by then.

Well, the Suns haven't exactly traded away much value, so you can't expect to get much value in return. That Grizzlies pick has been owned by Houston, Minny, and now possibly Phoenix if the deal goes through. Looks like mid-first rounders have more value as trade commodities than actual draft potential.

 

[sunsfan88]

I hate it when people correct me when I am right. That's an old tweet. This deal is still being worked out. Things change. Coro's article is clear that there is a possibility it will be the Minny pick. I imagine it is not likely, but it is still possible.

In the deal, Lopez and Warrick would go to New Orleans and Minnesota would send a conditional first-round pick, either its own or one owed them by Memphis, to the Suns along with Johnson, a third-year swingman. The draft pick would have top-14 protection for coming years

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...lopez-trade-remains-up-air.html#ixzz21p5kZ6Yt

Do you honestly take everything Coro says at face value?

This is the same guy who just waits for John Gambo, Adrian Woj, Marc Stein or David Alridge to tweet or post articles about news and then later Coro will post an article telling us stuff the obvious and stuff that we already knew.

And considering that none of those sources mentioned above have said anything about the pick possibly being the Timberwolves, I refuse to believe that it's an option just because Paul Coro, who has NO inside sources within the Suns organization btw, said so.

I mean when was the last time Paul Coro reported something about the Suns before anyone else?

 

[Mainstreet]

Do you honestly take everything Coro says at face value?

This is the same guy who just waits for John Gambo, Adrian Woj, Marc Stein or David Alridge to tweet or post articles about news and then later Coro will post an article telling us stuff the obvious and stuff that we already knew.

And considering that none of those sources mentioned above have said anything about the pick possibly being the Timberwolves, I refuse to believe that it's an option just because Paul Coro, who has NO inside sources within the Suns organization btw, said so.

I mean when was the last time Paul Coro reported something about the Suns before anyone else?

Paul Coro is often not the quickest on the draw but he shoots the straightest. As a beat writer for the Suns his job is not to spew out rumors. When I want to get information right, I go to Coro. Gambo may have some connections with Sarver, but day-in, day-out, Coro talks Suns. He is where I go to authenticate information.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Paul Coro is often not the quickest on the draw but he shoots the straightest. As a beat writer for the Suns his job is not to spew out rumors. When I want to get information right, I go to Coro. Gambo may have some connections with Sarver, but day-in, day-out, Coro talks Suns. He is where I go to authenticate information.

This. Paul Coro is the beatwriter for the Suns. He practically lives with this team. What he reports is usually right.

 

[KloD]

Jeez... The deal is not finalized. Nothing is cemented. It may turn out that what's actually holding the deal up is Warrick can't be traded due to an injury... hurt feelings. No point in arguing over details reported by those who are not actually involved in negotiations.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Jeez... The deal is not finalized. Nothing is cemented. It may turn out that what's actually holding the deal up is Warrick can't be traded due to an injury... hurt feelings. No point in arguing over details reported by those who are not actually involved in negotiations.

That is my point. No part of this deal is confirmed yet. It is all fluid. Coro reported that the Minny pick might be in play. That's all.

 

[Evil Ash]

Deal is official

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/07/new_orleans_hornets_trade_for_1.html

Better Link: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222655/Robin_Lopez_To_Hornets_Three_Way_Trade_Official

Evidently the changes are we get Jerome Dyson now and the 1st rounder may be Minnesota's

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yup. Suns send out Lopez and Warrick. They get WJohnson, BMiller's buyout, Memphis pick and Dyson.

Something had to be done with the Memphis pick. I am curious to see the odd conditions that will be added to it. Gambo is reporting that the hangup was that one of the default conditions was that after so long, it turns into a second rounder and $3million. But the new rules only allow a team to get $3 million once every off-season in a trade. Its part of the complications of a pick that was traded under the old CBA that has conditions that are a problem under the new CBA.

 

[sunsfan88]

John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Suns 3-way trade sending Lopez and Warrick to New Orleans should close today after some changes to the deal.

No surprise Gambo reporting this first and not Coro..

Jk

 

[elindholm]

Something had to be done with the Memphis pick. I am curious to see the odd conditions that will be added to it. Gambo is reporting that the hangup was that one of the default conditions was that after so long, it turns into a second rounder and $3million. But the new rules only allow a team to get $3 million once every off-season in a trade. Its part of the complications of a pick that was traded under the old CBA that has conditions that are a problem under the new CBA.

It's interesting from a procedural standpoint, but since Memphis is nearly certain to make the playoffs at least once during the next four years, the modified conditions are probably moot.

 

[sunsfan88]

I hate it when people correct me when I am right. That's an old tweet. This deal is still being worked out. Things change. Coro's article is clear that there is a possibility it will be the Minny pick. I imagine it is not likely, but it is still possible.

In the deal, Lopez and Warrick would go to New Orleans and Minnesota would send a conditional first-round pick, either its own or one owed them by Memphis, to the Suns along with Johnson, a third-year swingman. The draft pick would have top-14 protection for coming years

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...lopez-trade-remains-up-air.html#ixzz21p5kZ6Yt

https://twitter.com/paulcoro

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro The 1st-rounder could be from MEM or MIN, based on MIN making playoffs. It's top-14 protected regardless thru '16. Then it's 2 2nd-rounders.

Happy now?

 

[elindholm]

Wes Johnson trade complete. Wolves send him and Memphis pick to Suns, get back three 2nd rounders, two of them they sent to N.O. 2 weeks ago ...Hornets get Warrick and R Lopez in S-T, Suns get Brad Miller's contract and G Jerome Dyson as well as Wes and that 1st rounder

Happy now?

There's no need to be such a tool, especially when you aren't even right. Miller and Dyson are going to the Wolves, not the Suns. http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/27/three-team-trade.ap/index.html

 

[sunsfan88]

There's no need to be such a tool, especially when you aren't even right. Miller and Dyson are going to the Wolves, not the Suns. http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/27/three-team-trade.ap/index.html

Umm your the tool here, Miller can't be traded back to Minnesota since they just traded him to New Orleans this summer. And also, I wasn't trying to mock or insult JCSunsfan, I was just pointing out to him that the draft pick fiasco is now over and that we have a better understanding of what pick it is now.

First, check to see if your right before trying to correct others.

The New Orleans Hornets' acquisition of center Robin Lopez and forward Hakim Warrick is now official, according to a league source.

Procedural issues in making the trade compliant with the NBA and its collective bargaining agreement rules, prevented consummation of the deal for the last two days.

Hornets general manager Dell Demps is expected to brief reporters on the details Friday afternoon.
It was originally set to bring Lopez and undersized power forward Hakim Warrick to the Hornets, while the Hornets would sent the contract of Brad Miller along with point guard Jerome Dyson and two future second-round picks to the Minnesota Timberwolves, who would then trade Wesley Johnson and a first-round pick to Phoenix.

But the Miller contract is apparently going to the Suns.

Minnesota is seeking to free salary cap space to sign free-agent Andrei Kirilenko.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/07/new_orleans_hornets_trade_for_1.html

 

[BC867]

Good luck to Robin, the comic book Boy Wonder. And to Warrick, who put on a hell of a show as instant offense and little else.

And to our Suns, who are moving in the right direction. Now we just need to find a role playing backup Center and a place to send Frye when he comes off the DL.

 

[KloD]

This trade is being reported as several different senarios. Miller, Dyson, blah, blah going to Minnosota, others reporting to Suns, others splitting them between the two. I'd be shocked to see Miller going back to Minn. as they can't trade him right back from my understanding. I would also be shocked to see Dyson AND Miller going to the Suns as I thought Miller cannot be part of a package at this time.

Based on my understanding of the CBA, It would need to be Miller to Suns, Dyson to Minn. and the issue being the pick could turn to cash, the pick is now a protected Minn. 1st. That sucks... Minn. my not see the playoffs for many years. At least w/ the Memphis pick we were likely to get it next year.

 

[Mainstreet]

So are the Suns giving up a second round pick to Minnesota. And if so, what pick. See Paul Coro article dated 7-27-12 at azcentral.

The Suns finalized a trade sending Robin Lopez, Hakim Warrick and cash to New Orleans and a second-round draft pick to Minnesota in order to acquire a first-round draft pick and third-year swingman Wesley Johnson.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...ete-three-team-deal-hornets-timberwolves.html

 

[mojorizen7]

This whole thing with teams trading "protected picks" is getting pretty stupid. Pretty soon teams will be trading top 20 protected picks...then they'll become fully worthless.

I'd like to see that go away all together(no protection allowed),or just put in a flat contingency that says that ALL traded 1st rd picks will automatically be top 2 or 3 protected or something like that.

If a team is willing to part with a future 1st rd pick and deal it away for something in return....then ****ing let go of it!

The NFL is such a superior league to the NBA and MLB in so many ways.

 

[sunsfan88]

This trade is being reported as several different senarios. Miller, Dyson, blah, blah going to Minnosota, others reporting to Suns, others splitting them between the two. I'd be shocked to see Miller going back to Minn. as they can't trade him right back from my understanding. I would also be shocked to see Dyson AND Miller going to the Suns as I thought Miller cannot be part of a package at this time.

Based on my understanding of the CBA, It would need to be Miller to Suns, Dyson to Minn. and the issue being the pick could turn to cash, the pick is now a protected Minn. 1st. That sucks... Minn. my not see the playoffs for many years. At least w/ the Memphis pick we were likely to get it next year.

Don't worry, the pick is now a Minn/Memphis 1st.

So that means if Memphis makes playoffs and Minny doesn't, then we get Memphis pick. And if Minnesota makes playoffs and Memphis doesn't, then we get Minnesota pick. But if both miss playoffs then we get nothing.

I wish Carey would post here to give some more insight on this. Every thing I just said ^^ I got from him.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns are sending a Laker second round pick to Minnesota per Paul Coro on twitter.

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro

The Suns sent Minnesota one of the second-round picks (2014) that they got from the Lakers in the Nash sign-and-trade.

Also,

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro

Once P.J. Tucker signs, the #Suns roster will be at 12 & they likely will add a free agent center to be at the roster minimum.

http://twitter.com/PaulCoro

 

[Mainstreet]

Don't worry, the pick is now a Minn/Memphis 1st.

So that means if Memphis makes playoffs and Minny doesn't, then we get Memphis pick. And if Minnesota makes playoffs and Memphis doesn't, then we get Minnesota pick. But if both miss playoffs then we get nothing.

I wish Carey would post here to give some more insight on this. Every thing I just said ^^ I got from him.

Per Paul Coro article dated 7-27-12 at azcentral.

The first-round pick could be one that Memphis owed Minnesota or one of the Timberwolves' own picks if they make the playoffs in coming years. Either way, it is a lottery-protected pick for four years and will become two second-round picks if the Suns do not receive it in that time.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...ete-three-team-deal-hornets-timberwolves.html