Suns trying to be 3rd wheel in Butler trade to land Dragic

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

@BC867

I have no problem with you wanting to find a starting caliber point guard but at what price and who?

I'm sure some team would cough up a PG if you overpay. The Suns reportedly got out of the Butler trade scenario as a facilitator because the price was too steep.

You have mentioned you are not paid to be the Suns GM but I'd like for you to play GM for a moment and pick out a point guard that may be available now and tell me how much you would be willing to give up.

Haha I was about to type “cue the ‘I’m. It getting paid to determine that” until I read your last paragraph.

I guess that evidences my thoughts on the posts BC. It’s not that you post too often. I think you should post as often as you want. It’s that it’s almost always the same thing. It’s rarely a different take, or a different angle, or a proposed solution. It’s typically just the same criticism, stated the same way, with the same expected responses. 1Sun subscribes to the same modus operandi. So much so that when I read certain posts I just know that you or 1Sun will post soon enough with a 100% predictable response. Cmon guys, get creative. Give us something else to think about, or some new evidence to consider in order to bring us to seeing your point of view.

 

[Hoop Head]

You have mentioned you are not paid to be the Suns GM but I'd like for you to play GM for a moment and pick out a point guard that may be available now and tell me how much you would be willing to give up.

I was working on a post almost identical to what Ouchie said, I'll just add a +1 to his. I don't have a problem with anyone pointing out problems with the team and I don't think anyone else here does either but if the poster who is repeatedly bringing up the problem doesn't offer a solution, what's the point of reminding everyone of the problem over and over? We know where they stand already and obviously the team hasn't fixed the problem yet or they wouldn't be bringing it up still.

Haha I was about to type “cue the ‘I’m. It getting paid to determine that” until I read your last paragraph.

I guess that evidences my thoughts on the posts BC. It’s not that you post too often. I think you should post as often as you want. It’s that it’s almost always the same thing. It’s rarely a different take, or a different angle, or a proposed solution. It’s typically just the same criticism, stated the same way, with the same expected responses. 1Sun subscribes to the same modus operandi. So much so that when I read certain posts I just know that you or 1Sun will post soon enough with a 100% predictable response. Cmon guys, get creative. Give us something else to think about, or some new evidence to consider in order to bring us to seeing your point of view.

 

[BC867]

I just don't get it guys! Condoning the lack of balance on the Suns roster. And too many Wings. And no experienced Point Guards. Preceded by three lead Point Guards competing to be the top dawg. And most of them ball-stoppers.

And then saying that it is up to me to have the solution. Suns' management is a dysfunctional group. It has been going on ever since Jerry passed the torch to Sarver.

If they can't put together a balanced roster, how the hell can I? Or any of you, most of whom are more knowledgeable about players throughout the league than I. Because I am a Suns fan, not an NBA fanatic. I don't watch other teams' games. Or college basketball. Just the D-backs, the Suns and the Mercury. As a hobby, not a vocation. It is why I enjoy checking ASFN every day. I learn a helluva lot from you guys.

Poop Head, you are asking for evidence. Isn't missing the playoffs for eight years evidence enough? Or reading threads like, "Does McDonough know he's going to be fired?"

If he hasn't been able to put together a balanced team from his GM office, how can I from my living room? Besides, I am retired. I had my decades of being responsible for 100+ employees at a time. Following sports and my hometown teams are supposed to provide entertainment, not stress.

'Sorry guys, I am not privy to the roster possibilities. Any more than knowing what State the next Supreme Court justice is coming from.

At this moment I am thinking that I should continue rooting for my teams but, after all these years, stop posting. I am truly not saying that for sympathy. Perhaps you're right. Just as my friend Steve dropped off for awhile, maybe I should. But before I make that decision, I want to think about it.

And, in the meantime, I'll be rooting for the Suns and watching their games to see how they do. Moving my family to Phoenix forty years ago was a major decision and a labor of love. I take to heart anything to do with the Valley of the Sun.

 

[JCSunsfan]

 

[SirStefan32]

Never thought I would say or type this, but here it is... "I can't even."

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I just don't get it guys! Condoning the lack of balance on the Suns roster. And too many Wings. And no experienced Point Guards. Preceded by three lead Point Guards competing to be the top dawg. And most of them ball-stoppers.

And then saying that it is up to me to have the solution. Suns' management is a dysfunctional group. It has been going on ever since Jerry passed the torch to Sarver.

If they can't put together a balanced roster, how the hell can I? Or any of you, most of whom are more knowledgeable about players throughout the league than I. Because I am a Suns fan, not an NBA fanatic. I don't watch other teams' games. Or college basketball. Just the D-backs, the Suns and the Mercury. As a hobby, not a vocation. It is why I enjoy checking ASFN every day. I learn a helluva lot from you guys.

Poop Head, you are asking for evidence. Isn't missing the playoffs for eight years evidence enough? Or reading threads like, "Does McDonough know he's going to be fired?"

If he hasn't been able to put together a balanced team from his GM office, how can I from my living room? Besides, I am retired. I had my decades of being responsible for 100+ employees at a time. Following sports and my hometown teams are supposed to provide entertainment, not stress.

'Sorry guys, I am not privy to the roster possibilities. Any more than knowing what State the next Supreme Court justice is coming from.

At this moment I am thinking that I should continue rooting for my teams but, after all these years, stop posting. I am truly not saying that for sympathy. Perhaps you're right. Just as my friend Steve dropped off for awhile, maybe I should. But before I make that decision, I want to think about it.

And, in the meantime, I'll be rooting for the Suns and watching their games to see how they do. Moving my family to Phoenix forty years ago was a major decision and a labor of love. I take to heart anything to do with the Valley of the Sun.

I don’t think a single poster wants, or is suggesting, you drop off. I can’t tell you how to post, obviously you post what’s on your mind. I’m just providing some insight into how some of us view the repetition.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don’t think a single poster wants, or is suggesting, you drop off. I can’t tell you how to post, obviously you post what’s on your mind. I’m just providing some insight into how some of us view the repetition.

I didn't intend to single out BC in particular. There is a lot of repetition going on. It's that time of year when fans want something to happen but can't make it happen.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I didn't intend to single out BC in particular. There is a lot of repetition going on. It's that time of year when fans want something to happen but can't make it happen.

I think it can happen to any of us though when we are on the underpopulated side of an argument. You have 30 posters making the other side of the case and you sit there and read one after the other until you finally respond. You feel like you've been patient but it doesn't seem like that to the other side. To the 30, it's the 10th time you've made that same argument while each of the 30 have only made their case once or twice.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think it can happen to any of us though when we are on the underpopulated side of an argument. You have 30 posters making the other side of the case and you sit there and read one after the other until you finally respond. You feel like you've been patient but it doesn't seem like that to the other side. To the 30, it's the 10th time you've made that same argument while each of the 30 have only made their case once or twice.

Good point.

 

[Errntknght]

Most of us on here are repetitive. With me, it's defense - imagine my plight, as we've never had a good defensive team. Yes, we've had some good defenders but they always stood out like a sore thumb. and we never went to any lengths to retain them. The D'Antoni years were particularly painful torture. Compared to our defensive woes, team balance is small potatoes - from my POV. I rarely respond to your posts because I favor a balanced team as well. I'm pretty happy with this unbalanced team as we have way more good defenders than ever before. What luxury to have three PGs who have, at least, reps as good defenders and Harrison is great at pressuring the opps points. Three wings as well! (Ariza, Reed and Bridges, IMO). And a coach who has a reputation for a defensive mindset - sheer heaven!

As you can see, I get carried away on this subject at every opportunity. Anyway, I know what it's like to be a lone, unheeded voice on here. Nobody is going to come out and say they don't think defense or balance is important but they clearly worry very little about it.

 

[elindholm]

This board should have a Bot feature. You could set it up with up to four stock posts, and indicate the frequency with which you would like the posts to appear, however many times per week or month. The software would do some randomization to decide exactly when to post and which one of your rotation posts to re-issue. It could also choose the thread at random, since there wouldn't be any expectation that your auto-posts would be relevant to any particular discussion.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure several posters have already set this up. Mods, can you share the technique with the rest of us?

 

[Mainstreet]

This board should have a Bot feature. You could set it up with up to four stock posts, and indicate the frequency with which you would like the posts to appear, however many times per week or month. The software would do some randomization to decide exactly when to post and which one of your rotation posts to re-issue. It could also choose the thread at random, since there wouldn't be any expectation that your auto-posts would be relevant to any particular discussion.

Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure several posters have already set this up. Mods, can you share the technique with the rest of us?

With your fondness of math I thought you wrote the software.

 

[Yuma]

Patience! I know we are all super fans of the Suns. It takes time to build a team in a market like Phoenix. LA can throw money and a lot of free agents want to live there. We used to be a destination when JC ran things. I think someday when we all look back at that era, he accomplished a LOT for the market that Phoenix is in.

 

[Phrazbit]

Patience! I know we are all super fans of the Suns. It takes time to build a team in a market like Phoenix. LA can throw money and a lot of free agents want to live there. We used to be a destination when JC ran things. I think someday when we all look back at that era, he accomplished a LOT for the market that Phoenix is in.

We have TWO potential superstars on the roster. The worst thing the Cavs did during LeBron's first tenure in Cleveland was rush to try and contend. Instead of building a balanced roster that could grow together, they surrounded LeBron with veterans, some of them downright geriatric, with no upside and large contracts, and this was before LeBron was a factor in their FA signings. By 2010 we were watching the best player in the league playing alongside a 35 year old Jamison, a 50 year old Shaq, a 60 year old Ilgauskas and Delonte West... who was supposedly banging LeBron's mom.

No wonder he left.

We have no business giving up assets for players who won't have a future more than a few years down the road with this team. This is a team that is built to contend in 3-4 years, giving up assets because we're worried about winning 30-35 games vs 35-40 only jeopardizes that future.

 

[Mainstreet]

'Sorry guys, I am not privy to the roster possibilities. Any more than knowing what State the next Supreme Court justice is coming from.

At this moment I am thinking that I should continue rooting for my teams but, after all these years, stop posting. I am truly not saying that for sympathy. Perhaps you're right. Just as my friend Steve dropped off for awhile, maybe I should. But before I make that decision, I want to think about it.

And, in the meantime, I'll be rooting for the Suns and watching their games to see how they do. Moving my family to Phoenix forty years ago was a major decision and a labor of love. I take to heart anything to do with the Valley of the Sun.

BC, you are a pillar on the Suns forum. It's wouldn't be the same if you didn't post.

Besides you have to suffer with us.

There has been too much down time lately. Nothing that a new season can't resolve.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

BC, you are a pillar on the Suns forum. It's wouldn't be the same if you didn't post.

Besides you have to suffer with us.

There has been too much down time lately. Nothing that a new season can't resolve.

So true. And this season promises to provide us with the most substance we’ve had in a long time for discussion.

Bookers ascension
Ayton s development
Ayton’s developing “relationship” with Embiid
Maybe Aytons quest for ROY
JJs development
Bridges development
Ariza usage
Anderson’s usage
Okobo and Melton
Benders roster spot
Reed and Kings development and roles
Holmes’ role
Our pg situation
Koko’s Coaching and philosophy
Free agents
Draft prospects
The Milwaukee pick
Playoffs (hopefully we can at least discuss the possibility)
Shaq v Canaan
And whatever mid season trade rumors abound
And that’s only all the topics I’m certain will be discussed. Who knows what else becomes available!

 

[Mainstreet]

So true. And this season promises to provide us with the most substance we’ve had in a long time for discussion.

Bookers ascension
Ayton s development
Ayton’s developing “relationship” with Embiid
Maybe Aytons quest for ROY
JJs development
Bridges development
Ariza usage
Anderson’s usage
Okobo and Melton
Benders roster spot
Reed and Kings development and roles
Holmes’ role
Our pg situation
Koko’s Coaching and philosophy
Free agents
Draft prospects
The Milwaukee pick
Playoffs (hopefully we can at least discuss the possibility)
Shaq v Canaan
And whatever mid season trade rumors abound
And that’s only all the topics I’m certain will be discussed. Who knows what else becomes available!

Some great points Ouchie!

No man left behind.

 

[SirStefan32]

I have a feeling that at least one player will "explode" this year. Not sure who it's going to be, but I really believe that someone is gonna make a huge leap this year. Not sure if it will be JJ figuring out how to slow down, Bender figuring out how to pull his head out of his behind and be aggressive, Warren turning into a good shooter, or someone else. I can't explain it, but I have a feeling someone will surprise us big time.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I really don't understand local posters or national media thinking this team will be the same or worse than last year.

Point Guards:
Shaq, Okobo, Canaan, Melton > Bledsoe tanking, Mike James, Elfrid Payton (completely uninspired play), and brief glimpses of Shaq and Canaan

Shooting guards:
Booker a year older, Daniels, Reed healthy > Booker, Daniels, Reed injured

Small Forwards:
Ariza, JJ, Warren, Bridges >> Warren, JJ

Power Forwards:
Anderson, Ariza, Bender >> Chriss, Bender

Center:
Ayton, Chandler, Holmes >>> Chandler, Len, Williams

Coaching
Igor>Watson, Triano

We are unquestionably better at every position and coaching with maybe the exception of point guard, where we are clearly not worse. Just not having Mike James on the roster getting time makes us better there.

 

[devilalum]

So true. And this season promises to provide us with the most substance we’ve had in a long time for discussion.

Bookers ascension
Ayton s development
Ayton’s developing “relationship” with Embiid
Maybe Aytons quest for ROY
JJs development
Bridges development
Ariza usage
Anderson’s usage
Okobo and Melton
Benders roster spot
Reed and Kings development and roles
Holmes’ role
Our pg situation
Koko’s Coaching and philosophy
Free agents
Draft prospects
The Milwaukee pick
Playoffs (hopefully we can at least discuss the possibility)
Shaq v Canaan
And whatever mid season trade rumors abound
And that’s only all the topics I’m certain will be discussed. Who knows what else becomes available!

HOW ABOUT THE FREAKIN GAMES?!?!

: )

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[AzStevenCal]

I really don't understand local posters or national media thinking this team will be the same or worse than last year.

Point Guards:
Shaq, Okobo, Canaan, Melton > Bledsoe tanking, Mike James, Elfrid Payton (completely uninspired play), and brief glimpses of Shaq and Canaan

Shooting guards:
Booker a year older, Daniels, Reed healthy > Booker, Daniels, Reed injured

Small Forwards:
Ariza, JJ, Warren, Bridges >> Warren, JJ

Power Forwards:
Anderson, Ariza, Bender >> Chriss, Bender

Center:
Ayton, Chandler, Holmes >>> Chandler, Len, Williams

Coaching
Igor>Watson, Triano

We are unquestionably better at every position and coaching with maybe the exception of point guard, where we are clearly not worse. Just not having Mike James on the roster getting time makes us better there.

I am confident that all those experts that are picking us to win between 21 and 28 games will be looking pretty stupid at the end of the season. OTOH, I think I've said something similar at the start of the last 3 or 4 seasons. Still, with good health, I expect us to win around 35 games.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I watched that NBA 30 minute preseas N thing with Brandon Haywood and Dwight golden. They seemed pretty positive all the way through. Particularly gooden. Then at the end Haywood predicted 28 wins but gooden predicted 21 wins. I mean, really? It would be a disaster of epic proportions if this team wins only 21 games. How he could be so positive all 29 minutes and end at 21 wins is beyond me.

 

[1Sun]

I watched that NBA 30 minute preseas N thing with Brandon Haywood and Dwight golden. They seemed pretty positive all the way through. Particularly gooden. Then at the end Haywood predicted 28 wins but gooden predicted 21 wins. I mean, really? It would be a disaster of epic proportions if this team wins only 21 games. How he could be so positive all 29 minutes and end at 21 wins is beyond me.

Probably because they too see how critical point guard play is to NBA team success. Just a guess...

 

[AzStevenCal]

I watched that NBA 30 minute preseas N thing with Brandon Haywood and Dwight golden. They seemed pretty positive all the way through. Particularly gooden. Then at the end Haywood predicted 28 wins but gooden predicted 21 wins. I mean, really? It would be a disaster of epic proportions if this team wins only 21 games. How he could be so positive all 29 minutes and end at 21 wins is beyond me.

Yeah, I watched it too. That's the reason I used 21 to 28 in my earlier post. I was surprised by both guesses especially after they had spoken positively about the new coach and new additions. It makes no sense to me other than they are clearly expecting us to have growing pains this season. I think they're right but IMO it will keep us near the mid 30's, not 21 or even 28.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Probably because they too see how critical point guard play is to NBA team success. Just a guess...