Suns trying to be 3rd wheel in Butler trade to land Dragic

[BC867]

BC, you are a pillar on the Suns forum. It's wouldn't be the same if you didn't post.

Besides you have to suffer with us.

There has been too much down time lately. Nothing that a new season can't resolve.

Thank you, Mainstreet. I've continued to read every post since I shared my frustration.

Now I have to keep reminding myself to refrain from responding if I disagree with a point of view, but have previously posted it. I'm working on it.

I have to work on it on the ASFN D-backs board as well, where I make the same comments every time Bracho comes into the game as a reliever and allows runs. I even referred to him as evidently the Manager's adopted son.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thank you, Mainstreet. I've continued to read every post since I shared my frustration.

Now I have to keep reminding myself to refrain from responding if I disagree with a point of view, but have previously posted it. I'm working on it.

I have to work on it on the ASFN D-backs board as well, where I make the same comments every time Bracho comes into the game as a reliever and allows runs. I even referred to him as evidently the Manager's adopted son.

Haha. I wouldn’t say you should refrain, just think of new angles. I just think it’s sad when posters with good knowledge and content get so singularly focused that they become essentially defined by certain posts.

For instance:

BC:
No center
Booker playing pg causes him to be injured
Colangelo hatred
Lift (on dbacks board)

1Sun:
No pg is the end of the world

Poker:
Tank tank tank (last year - and admittedly maybe I was thus defined as well last year).

 

[devilalum]

Only 73 hours to go!


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[Mainstreet]

Thank you, Mainstreet. I've continued to read every post since I shared my frustration.

Now I have to keep reminding myself to refrain from responding if I disagree with a point of view, but have previously posted it. I'm working on it.

I have to work on it on the ASFN D-backs board as well, where I make the same comments every time Bracho comes into the game as a reliever and allows runs. I even referred to him as evidently the Manager's adopted son.

This is not the point BC.

Everyone has a different point of view. Perhaps if you would concentrate on specifics like players we could see your point better.

Like if the Suns need a point guard give us an idea who you think might help the team.

Guess like the rest of us!

 

[BC867]

This is not the point BC.

Everyone has a different point of view. Perhaps if you would concentrate on specifics like players we could see your point better.

Like if the Suns need a point guard give us an idea who you think might help the team.

Guess like the rest of us!

I can narrow it down to this. An experienced NBA Point Guard who can bring up the ball and hold his own in making precision passes to our young players.

Then, contribute to a decent degree in playing defense up and down the court and, hopefully, has a fair to dependable outside shot as well. Or, at least, one of those last two criteria.

You guys who follow the goings-on with the rest of the teams ... is there such a Guard for the coming season? Is it Dragic for the next couple of years (which is the subject of this thread)?

 

[Mainstreet]

I can narrow it down to this. An experienced NBA Point Guard who can bring up the ball and hold his own in making precision passes to our young players.

Then, contribute to a decent degree in playing defense up and down the court and, hopefully, has a fair to dependable outside shot as well. Or, at least, one of those last two criteria.

You guys who follow the goings-on with the rest of the teams ... is there such a Guard for the coming season? Is it Dragic for the next couple of years (which is the subject of this thread)?

I don't think it is Dragic as I think he is a target for the Wolves in the Butler trade or so it is rumored.

Maybe the Suns could get a spinoff player like Tyus Jones but it is looking like the Suns will not be involved in the Butler trade as the trade demands are prohibitive.

I'm still guessing the Suns will get a rental player like Beverley when the Clippers trim their roster. This is fine with me because the Suns should be able to snag a quality PG in the 2019 free agency or perhaps at the trade deadline. IMO, the Suns can get by with average PG play this season with Igor's option offense. Anyway, this is my hope.

I know it is not the best option, with the Suns wanting to get the ball to Ayton and enhance Booker's play, but I do not want the Suns to overpay when they can keep their assets and be a player in free agency next off season. I can see why you get frustrated about the situation. I'm disappointed the Suns did not prioritize a PG as well.

My concern is McDonough will push the panic button (he is on the hot seat to win as I see it) and give up the future for the now in order to win. As I see it, this would be a huge mistake unless it is a player on multi-year contract.

 

[1Sun]

The problem is this: When was the last time that keeping their assets and being a player in free agency the next offseason actually worked for the Suns?

 

[Mainstreet]

The problem is this: When was the last time that keeping their assets and being a player in free agency the next offseason actually worked for the Suns?

Free agency is only an option. If the Suns keep their assets, a trade becomes more likely next off-season as well. The last time I looked, the players that might be available have expiring contracts so now is not the best time to shop except for a rental.

 

[Yuma]

Probably because they too see how critical point guard play is to NBA team success. Just a guess...

I am thinking it has more to do with the west just got tougher. GS finally got a center, LA got Lebron, etc.

 

[Yuma]

My concern is McDonough will push the panic button (he is on the hot seat to win as I see it) and give up the future for the now in order to win. As I see it, this would be a huge mistake unless it is a player on multi-year contract.

This!

 

[JCSunsfan]

McD has not shown a tendency to panic in making trades. He tends to err on the side of waiting too long. Look how long he took to trade Markieff, and he took forever and explored every option before he moved Bledsoe. He traded Dragic pretty quickly, but he got good return for that expiring.

The one move that seemed like a panic move was the trade for Brandon Knight. But I do think he was convinced that Knight was going to be a good player. The IT trade might have been a panic move. He planned to trade IT to appease Dragic and get a first round pick. The Dragic said he wanted out anyway. I believe he already had a handshake deal with Danny Ainge that he felt he could not get out of. All that to say, the chances are greater that he waits too long than he panics and makes a trade too soon.

 

[Yuma]

I think in hindsight, knowing Brandon Knight would not be ready by training camp, when a trade became available, McD probably thought it wouldn't be that hard to get a PG once Knight was gone. Evidently, it's not as easy as he thought.

 

[devilalum]

I think in hindsight, knowing Brandon Knight would not be ready by training camp, when a trade became available, McD probably thought it wouldn't be that hard to get a PG once Knight was gone. Evidently, it's not as easy as he thought.

“ Hi Ryan, yeah that’s right we’re looking to get a second rounder for Beverly but for you......

I’ll let you have him for a future first rounder.”


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[Yuma]

“ Hi Ryan, yeah that’s right we’re looking to get a second rounder for Beverly but for you......

I’ll let you have him for a future first rounder.”


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Yep! I love this!

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think in hindsight, knowing Brandon Knight would not be ready by training camp, when a trade became available, McD probably thought it wouldn't be that hard to get a PG once Knight was gone. Evidently, it's not as easy as he thought.

I don't think so. He just knew Knight was not the guy and he needed to be moved. The bench options we have are better. He knows he will have to be patient. You have to match their bluff. Wait until the other team has to make a move. The Suns do not HAVE to make a move right now. We are not contending.

 

[JCSunsfan]

“ Hi Ryan, yeah that’s right we’re looking to get a second rounder for Beverly but for you......

I’ll let you have him for a future first rounder.”


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Ryan. "Not doing that. We can talk when you are serious."

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't think so. He just knew Knight was not the guy and he needed to be moved. The bench options we have are better. He knows he will have to be patient. You have to match their bluff. Wait until the other team has to make a move. The Suns do not HAVE to make a move right now. We are not contending.

Ryan. "Not doing that. We can talk when you are serious."

This is the way I read it as well.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is the way I read it as well.

Yep. This is the hardest part of rebuilding. Gathering assets is the easy part. Cashing those assets in for something worth while is a bit harder. Adding the final few pieces is very difficult.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yep. This is the hardest part of rebuilding. Gathering assets is the easy part. Cashing those assets in for something worth while is a bit harder. Adding the final few pieces is very difficult.

I think the market will be there later whether it be free agency or trade but it is not there at the moment.

So far McDonough has remained calm and I hope he continues to do so. Other teams will want to make moves when the glitter wears off. Right now every team thinks they are a playoff contender.

 

[elindholm]

The problem is this: When was the last time that keeping their assets and being a player in free agency the next offseason actually worked for the Suns?

When's the last time that they tried it?

 

[taz02]

Alot depends on Ayton. If he looks like the second coming of Shaq and Igor looks like the real deal, signing players will be much easier.

The team has been a train wreck, Sarver, pissed players, revolving door on the coaches office and oh yea, losing....Not exactly an ideal draw for free agents.

Max money, sarver out of the way, a good coach, Booker locked up, Ayton and a team on the rise will do the trick. If it doesn't McD should be run out of town.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When's the last time that they tried it?

Aldridge

 

[sunsfan88]

When's the last time that they tried it?

Aldridge

Griffin.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Griffin.

I do not think that was serious. Aldridge was.

 

[Phrazbit]

I do not think that was serious. Aldridge was.

I don't even think Aldridge applies to this specific question.

It's not like we were "holding onto assets" to go after Aldridge and could have pursed something else meaningful if not for that effort.

IMO 1sun's question is self defeating to his point. Bad teams blow assets on stopgaps.

It's not as though we have some hump to get over and a below average player like Beverly would get us there. What young developing team gives up assets for impending free agents in their 30s?

The only answer I can come up with is... stupid teams, who are likely to stay in their hole.

1sun, honestly, where would we be next summer if we trade a pick for a player like Beverly now? I know the answer; we'd win, maybe, a couple more games, we'd be without a pick and we'd still be without a starting point guard and with less means to acquire one.