The Big Guys Say Gabbert

[conraddobler]

The "draft defense" guys had me convinced, but I really can't argue with you CD.

We can use either one but it just seems a shame to waste Fitz, it's like using a sling shot for air defense because no one knows how to use the big fancy missile battery.

 

[Mulli]

We can use either one but it just seems a shame to waste Fitz, it's like using a sling shot for air defense because no one knows how to use the big fancy missile battery.

Totally.

 

[Stout]

Any coaching staff with our QB squad that can turn their nose up at a high QB pick better find a great one somewhere, cause if we end up having a set of QB's this bad or worse after this draft and we didn't take a QB that would just be really bad.

That's the kind of thinking that nets you Levi Brown and screws you for years. Just because we need a QB doesn't mean we should panic and just pick any QB. Unless the team is really sold on a guy, we absolutely should NOT pick a QB at 5. Now I personally feel that none of the QBs this year are top-end of the first round quality, so I definitely hope we don't take any of them.

 

[Mulli]

That's the kind of thinking that nets you Levi Brown and screws you for years. Just because we need a QB doesn't mean we should panic and just pick any QB. Unless the team is really sold on a guy, we absolutely should NOT pick a QB at 5. Now I personally feel that none of the QBs this year are top-end of the first round quality, so I definitely hope we don't take any of them.

Are you making childish jabs again?

It is also the kind of thinking that MIGHT have avoided the Cards' QB situation, excluding Warner, for the past 20 years.

 

[john h]

I just blogged on the BRS that I don't have a clue.

In trying to scope out the Cardinal draft, the first thing I'd do is to create and stack a hybrid QB-only board of FA and Cardinal veterans and rookie prospects to see how things line up. (Obviously, part of each veteran's rating would be tied to the likelihood we could sign him).

Most if not all of the evaluation process would be devoted to determining how much we'd lose or gain in the short and long range by either (a) signing a veteran and drafting a rookie QB (for insurance) in a later round or (b) signing Gabbert or Newton (plus a veteran backup FA (for insurance).

Note - The wildcard then becomes Skelton - which is as it should be. If he can prove he's better than either the vet or the rook, he could conceivably earn his way into a starting role. If not, he holds the clipboard while he watches and learns.

Personally, I am not all that thrilled with the veteran FA QB's who are out there - from Bulger to Kolb. (We can "hope" that Palmer regains his mojo or that McNabb or Hassebeck still have a year left in the tank - but that's all it is: "a hope, a wing & a prayer").

If both Gabbert and Newton are gone by #5 (assuming we wanted either of them), it puts us in the fascinating position of choosing either Miller, Dareus or Peterson (& going to our fallback plan of FA Veteran plus later-round rookie).

All of which puts every option under the sun on the table - and, as I said, I have no idea of what will happen on Draft Day - it could go 10 different ways.

I am mostly with you on all this. I have no idea who the Cards will take and certainly not even the position as we have so many needs. If we as fans have no real clue I suspect the Cards management is having the same problem so it will come down to who has the most influence when they finally make their pick. Clearly when picking at #5 you have 5 plans so it should take you no longer than a minute or two to walk up and make your pick. One of he 5 guys you want is going to be there. I sure do not think the final and deciding vote on who we draft will be Rod Graves. I still think he is nothing more than a figure head.

 

[john h]

NFL network had the Cards on the clock yesterday. Mayock, Lombardi & C Davis all said the Cards have to take Gabbert if he is there. HAVE TO.
Only the Panthers had a worse collective QB rating then the Cards. Lombardi said that Bulger can't play for 8 different teams next year so it is not a lock the Cards will be able to sign him when FA starts.

Urban was on as the Cards rep and he stated that Miller was the Cards first choice.

I think you are right joe as I haven't seen a big smoke screen come from the Cards for quite some time now.

On the other hand Bill Sr has already invested a dinner into Gabbert and he hates to waste money.

I had not thought of Bill Sr investing that dinner money. Of course it is a write off. That could be the turning point of this entire adventure. Have we ever had a season when there was so much doubt as to who we might draft or even the position we might want to draft. Without a doubt the position we most need to fill is a QB. Not just for this year but for years to come. You cannot base your future on a rookie who played 4 games with only moderate success. At least I hope we cannot base our future on Skelton. One might look at this situation like this: Would you trade Skelton for Gabbert or Newton? If you would make that trade then you need to draft Gabbert or Newton. If you do not make that trade then do not draft a QB.

 

[conraddobler]

That's the kind of thinking that nets you Levi Brown and screws you for years. Just because we need a QB doesn't mean we should panic and just pick any QB. Unless the team is really sold on a guy, we absolutely should NOT pick a QB at 5. Now I personally feel that none of the QBs this year are top-end of the first round quality, so I definitely hope we don't take any of them.

You get Levi Brown by being wrong about Levi Brown.

"I edited this to add I'm not one of the people who thinks he's a bad pick just to be fair to Levi"

If we take Gabbert and he's a bust that would mean we stink at evaluating QB's.

Conversely, if we don't take him and he turns out to be really good then I think you could argue the same thing about our evaluation of QB's.

We happen to need a QB it's not like just because we need one we can't take one lest we mess up our perfect BPA record/sarcasm, IMO I really like him and if they do too then they should take him there if they don't they shouldn't.

When I'm talking about him obviously it's because I think he's worth the pick you don't think this, and that's fine.

Really to me it appears that by taking him out to dinner and going to his workout they are doing their best to make sure they aren't getting ripped off if they pick him, which makes sense and I doubt they went to dinner with Levi.

I still don't think we'll pick him so don't worry.

 

[Stout]

Are you making childish jabs again?

It is also the kind of thinking that MIGHT have avoided the Cards' QB situation, excluding Warner, for the past 20 years.

Haha, nice reintegration. No, I'm not condescending and sniping at conraddobbler whilst disagreeing with him.

You get Levi Brown by being wrong about Levi Brown.

"I edited this to add I'm not one of the people who thinks he's a bad pick just to be fair to Levi"

If we take Gabbert and he's a bust that would mean we stink at evaluating QB's.

Conversely, if we don't take him and he turns out to be really good then I think you could argue the same thing about our evaluation of QB's.

We happen to need a QB it's not like just because we need one we can't take one lest we mess up our perfect BPA record/sarcasm, IMO I really like him and if they do too then they should take him there if they don't they shouldn't.

When I'm talking about him obviously it's because I think he's worth the pick you don't think this, and that's fine.

Really to me it appears that by taking him out to dinner and going to his workout they are doing their best to make sure they aren't getting ripped off if they pick him, which makes sense and I doubt they went to dinner with Levi.

I still don't think we'll pick him so don't worry.

I figured you liked him, but I read your post as 'since we need a QB, we have to take one high no matter what'. That's all. Here's to hoping I get my way, and we manage to pull an effective vet QB off the scrap heap instead

 

[Duckjake]

If we take Gabbert and he's a bust that would mean we stink at evaluating QB's.

Brian St.Pierre. DeWreck Anderson. Max Hall.

Not a good track record.

But might as well keep trying.

That #5 pick is getting expensive:

Guaranteed Money:

Levi $18 million
Dorsey $22 million
Sanchez $28 million
Berry $34 million

 

[conraddobler]

Haha, nice reintegration. No, I'm not condescending and sniping at conraddobbler whilst disagreeing with him.



I figured you liked him, but I read your post as 'since we need a QB, we have to take one high no matter what'. That's all. Here's to hoping I get my way, and we manage to pull an effective vet QB off the scrap heap instead

I'd bet we do it your way, cause this team rarely does things my way.

 

[MrYeahBut]

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we should have these guy be the scouting department for the Cards....they might get lucky and find a QB

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[D-Dogg]

I'm certain the pick will be Gabbert.

Two reasons:

1. Of all the players rumored to go to the Cardinals he is the one I like least.

Him or Cam. Not sure which one I'm less enamored with.

 

[WildBB]

I had not thought of Bill Sr investing that dinner money. Of course it is a write off. That could be the turning point of this entire adventure. Have we ever had a season when there was so much doubt as to who we might draft or even the position we might want to draft. Without a doubt the position we most need to fill is a QB. Not just for this year but for years to come. You cannot base your future on a rookie who played 4 games with only moderate success. At least I hope we cannot base our future on Skelton. One might look at this situation like this: Would you trade Skelton for Gabbert or Newton? If you would make that trade then you need to draft Gabbert or Newton. If you do not make that trade then do not draft a QB.

That's because the needs are plenty ALL over the place.

It's more like would you trade Patrick Peterson or Von Miller and Skelton for Gabbert or Newton?

 

[JeffGollin]

Brian St.Pierre. DeWreck Anderson. Max Hall.

Not a good track record.

Of late, I'd been thinking in the same direction. Then I remembered another Cardinal QB -

Kurt Warner.

Ooops! Maybe we don't totally totally stink at evaluating QB's..

 

[conraddobler]

Of late, I'd been thinking in the same direction. Then I remembered another Cardinal QB -

Kurt Warner.

Ooops! Maybe we don't totally totally stink at evaluating QB's..

No not totally, not with that home run on the resume.

It was I think a lot of luck but it's better to be lucky than good I guess.

 

[Pariah]

Of late, I'd been thinking in the same direction. Then I remembered another Cardinal QB -

Kurt Warner.

Ooops! Maybe we don't totally totally stink at evaluating QB's..

'cept that's not a Whiz "evaluation." Denny brought him on board.

 

[football karma]

no offense-- but Hall, Anderson and St Pierre is only half the question. Who did they pass up to take them?

 

[lobo]

Of late, I'd been thinking in the same direction. Then I remembered another Cardinal QB -

Kurt Warner.

Ooops! Maybe we don't totally totally stink at evaluating QB's..

A .250 batting average will not get us into the HOF!!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Hearing Gabbert a lot. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=6229004

For those of you with ESPN insider, a fascinating article by KC Joyner explaining why Mallett is better than Gabbert. I would be much happier with a Peterson/Miller in 1 and Mallett in 2 scenario than with Gabbert at #5.

Interestingly enough, Joyner compares Mallett to one Big Ben.

 

[General Chaos]

I would go Von Miller then Gabbert then Peterson.

I know Peterson is a great talent but I don't see him upgrading this team that much. A CB only has so much impact on the field. If you look at the three best CB's in the league, Revis, Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha, only one plays on a good team. And Revis is just one piece of the Jets strong defense. What makes Peterson special is his return abilities, but once a player is paid that much and drafted so high, I don't see him returning kicks for more than a season or two.

 

[Stout]

Hearing Gabbert a lot. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

LOL That is hysterical. So, during the pre-draft buzz, if there's a lot of buzz about one thing, one player going to one team, that's just what's going to happen?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyner_kc&id=6229004

For those of you with ESPN insider, a fascinating article by KC Joyner explaining why Mallett is better than Gabbert. I would be much happier with a Peterson/Miller in 1 and Mallett in 2 scenario than with Gabbert at #5.

Interestingly enough, Joyner compares Mallett to one Big Ben.

I'd much rather have Mallet than Gabbert. Mallet may have some question marks, but his physical ability and passing ability is perfect. Gabbert may not have character questions, but throwing the ball past 10 yards is a question mark for him.

 

[Pariah]

LOL That is hysterical. So, during the pre-draft buzz, if there's a lot of buzz about one thing, one player going to one team, that's just what's going to happen?

maybe not, but when there is this much talk about a team liking a particular player, it seems likely that they do. Lots of other factors play into what happens, but the kernel of truth about having an eye on a guy is probably true.

 

[Stout]

maybe not, but when there is this much talk about a team liking a particular player, it seems likely that they do. Lots of other factors play into what happens, but the kernel of truth about having an eye on a guy is probably true.

The national talking head experts all are blabbing about Gabbert to the Cards. All the local Arizona media, who I think would be much, much more 'in the know', if it is truly possible for a media figure to be that much in the know, think that Gabbert to the Cards won't happen. So, no consensus, and the locals disagree with the experts. I still don't know if we'd take him or not. My gut says no, but that's just IMO.

 

[Duckjake]

The national talking head experts all are blabbing about Gabbert to the Cards. All the local Arizona media, who I think would be much, much more 'in the know', if it is truly possible for a media figure to be that much in the know, think that Gabbert to the Cards won't happen. So, no consensus, and the locals disagree with the experts. I still don't know if we'd take him or not. My gut says no, but that's just IMO.

No worry.

We're taking Newton.

We need the PR more than we need the wins.

Heck look at the attendance the first year we had a winner in town.