The merged "Suspension" thread

[Mulli]

Mulli
Is
An
Idiot

I earned that.

 

[jenna2891]

What are you expecting me to say? Let me know, and I'll say it.

quiet, you! tell the lakers fan to stop it!


/sith dwight

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[D-Dogg]

I earned that.

Oh wow, I must have typed that wrong.

 

[jenna2891]

Mulli
Is
An
Idiot

I earned that.

seriously, whenever you two are finished flirting with each other, can one of you address this point:

yes, but was this an altercation at the time they came off the bench? imo, it became an altercation when bell and horry started in on each other. if you watch the video, the response from the suns bench area was immediate.

 

[elindholm]

And if you'll note in the same video, at the 1:13 mark when Raja and Horry are shoving at each other, right behind Horry's shoulder you can see Amare's face, and him then being pulled back by the coaches.

That's Diaw. You can tell that his warmup jacket is still on. Also, they really don't look much alike.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

i honestly don't know the answer to the timing question - i think it would be reasonable to say that the altercation happened when horry fouled nash as that's when the rest of the court started to converge on the scene

 

[D-Dogg]

That's Diaw. You can tell that his warmup jacket is still on. Also, they really don't look much alike.

I'll look again, and I'm 99% sure it is amare...he's there for a few seconds being drug back by the coaches.

Amare's got a unique looking face; I'm not confusing the two.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'll look again, and I'm 99% sure it is amare...he's there for a few seconds being drug back by the coaches.

Amare's got a unique looking face; I'm not confusing the two.

Yep, rewatched it and it is 100% Amare, pops up behind Horry's right shoulder, you see his shoulders too (no warmup) and he's restrained by the coaches.

Not Diaw.

 

[D-Dogg]

i honestly don't know the answer to the timing question - i think it would be reasonable to say that the altercation happened when horry fouled nash as that's when the rest of the court started to converge on the scene

I'd agree with that.

Regardless, when the actual shoves take place (raja and Horry, then Nash and Horry) Amare is still on the court moving to the action, and being physically restrained and moved back to the bench.

 

[D-Dogg]

seriously, whenever you two are finished flirting with each other

Easy there green eyed monster.

 

[Linderbee]

i honestly don't know the answer to the timing question - i think it would be reasonable to say that the altercation happened when horry fouled nash as that's when the rest of the court started to converge on the scene

Well, if they go with THAT logic, then Horry should be suspended for the remainder of the playoffs, because then it wasn't just an in-game foul--it was a fight from the second he touched Nash, and you can't just go around fighting with players in the middle of the game (not that you can any other time, but I hope you get my point).

 

[D-Dogg]

Well, if they go with THAT logic, then Horry should be suspended for the remainder of the playoffs, because then it wasn't just an in-game foul--it was a fight from the second he touched Nash, and you can't just go around fighting with players in the middle of the game (not that you can any other time, but I hope you get my point).

No, because it would still just be a flagrant foul and the actions of the bench coming out was the escalation...which is the basic point of the rule in the first place. However, you can make a case for him being suspended multiple games for his forearm in Raja's neck.

The really dumb move was Nash getting up and pushing Horry too...talk about stupid...take part in a fight and run the risk of getting tossed when you just got home court back? Dumb dumb dumb. He should have kissed his bicep again and walked away...

 

[Louis]

Not sure if this was brought up yet...

But Jalen Rose said on ESPN 1st Take that the NBA is reviewing the incident in the 2nd quarter that resulted in Elson being flipped to the ground after dunking the ball.

Apparently TD and Bowen were both on the bench and came out onto the court.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

it was brought up - and the NBA isn't reviewing it - rose is saying they should

they shouldn't because it was in no way shape or form similar - but is some good gamemanship

altercation does not equal fight - horry was given a flagrant 2 - that's a pretty sever in game foul and consistent with the start of an altercation - he could/should get himself extra games for the forearms he threw

 

[jenna2891]

i honestly don't know the answer to the timing question - i think it would be reasonable to say that the altercation happened when horry fouled nash as that's when the rest of the court started to converge on the scene

actually, it seemed like nash was fouled and immediately d'antoni rushed to him to see if he was ok. none of the benched players or coaches got anywhere past where d'antoni, nash and the ref were, let alone getting close to where horry or bell were. i wish we had a wider view so we could watch exactly when bell and horry started going at it.

also, if you watch the video, when d'antoni runs over to nash, the ref kind of pulls him back. as soon as he saw that d'antoni was going to check on nash and not rush horry, he let him go. but even after that, barbosa comes running over to nash to check on him, but then he sees something starting and so he goes to where bell and horry were. i don't think he would have run past horry towards nash and then back to horry if the altercation had started right after the foul occurred.

 

[Covert Rain]

Not sure if this was brought up yet...

But Jalen Rose said on ESPN 1st Take that the NBA is reviewing the incident in the 2nd quarter that resulted in Elson being flipped to the ground after dunking the ball.

Apparently TD and Bowen were both on the bench and came out onto the court.

It won't happen but could you imagine Amare, Diaw, Horry and Ducan all gone for game 5? What a freaking nightmare. This is all on Cheap Shot Bob. He now is the player I hate most in the NBA.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

it all has to do with proximatey - horry was walking away and bell was charging at him - it was all fluid - players who originally had their sights on nash then looked up and saw that horry/bell were tangled up and then rushed to that

if the coach was off the bench it doesn't matter if the players were behind him if they too were off the bench

 

[jason]

Forum newbie alert!

IMHO, I think it was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll...

 

[MigratingOsprey]

horry has always been a cheap player - although I hate the circumstance it's nice to see him exposed for what he is

 

[D-Dogg]

This is all on Cheap Shot Bob. He now is the player I hate most in the NBA.

Signed,

Kobe

 

[TheCardFan]

horry has always been a cheap player - although I hate the circumstance it's nice to see him exposed for what he is

Explain...

 

[Linderbee]

Forum newbie alert!

IMHO, I think it was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll...

You haven't ever been called "Pariah" as a nickname, have you???

 

[jason]

You haven't ever been called "Pariah" as a nickname, have you???

Nope.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

him and rick fox both did the bruce bowen technique of getting under people's skin - giving a bump and then falling back like you were hit - holding and grabbing, then quick to flop - he's also always been very liberal with his elbows and knees on screens and in the paint

it works and teams need guys like this - but those guys should be identified for what they are - you take away his big jump shots and that would be his legacy - a role player who did mainly dirty work out there to frustrate the opposition

 

[jbeecham]

Interesting side story, remember in the 1st or 2nd qtr when Elson dunked the ball and hung on the rim and James Jones got tangled up with him and Elson fell hard.........Apparently Duncan jumped up off the bench and ran onto the court past the 3pt line before Bowen ran onto the court to pull him back. Do Duncan & Bowen get suspended too?

EDIT: Sorry looks like I got to the party a little late.