The Official "Fire Coach Ken Whisenhunt" Thread

[Cards_Campos]

IMO I don't think the answer is outright fire Whiz. I think the answer is telling Whiz he is to turn the offense over to a real OC and live without Grimm, and replace Graves with a real football person (Holmgren? Andy Reid? Hell, Denny Green?). If Whiz doesn't play ball you dump him and make Horton HC.

Not bad at all.

 

[HeavyB3]

Crud, Campos. I usually think you are nuts. This post is pretty hard to argue with. I cant agree or disagree with the guessing on Peterson, but the critiques of Whiz are starting to be backed with enough evidence to convince me...

I know, I usually think he's nuts too. Spot on on this argument. Fire Whiz, promote Horton and find some up and coming WR or QB coach or something to run the offense... Even then, we have a lot of work to do. Our offensive genius head coach has left our offense in utter shambles. We don't really have too many people I'd want to keep around on offense.

 

[Duckjake]

The player turnover and injuries have caught up with us. We only have 4 starters currently who were drafted before 2009. Campbell, Fitz, Dockett and Wilson.

The 49ers have 8. In 2009 we had 8 drafted starters who had been with the team for 5 years or more. Plus Warner and Okeafor who joined the Cards in 2005.

Of the 26 players drafted 2005-2008 only 3 remain on the team and one is on IR.

There are currently only 3 guys starting on offense who have been with the team for more than 3 full seasons.

 

[kerouac9]

The player turnover and injuries have caught up with us. We only have 4 starters currently who were drafted before 2009. Campbell, Fitz, Dockett and Wilson.

The 49ers have 8. In 2009 we had 8 drafted starters who had been with the team for 5 years or more. Plus Warner and Okeafor who joined the Cards in 2005.

Of the 26 players drafted 2005-2008 only 3 remain on the team and one is on IR.

There are currently only 3 guys starting on offense who have been with the team for more than 3 full seasons.

This. Blowing picks on OL and DL who can't stay on the roster, trading away Tim Hightower so we could use a 2nd round pick on Tim Hightower For 2 Games A Year, blowing high picks on guys like Rashard Johnson and Cody Brown, those chickens have all come home to roost.

It's hilarious that Steve Keim is this personnel guru when the cupboard is almost completely bare on one side of the football save our very expensive WR corps.

 

[Chopper0080]

Whiz is not getting fired this season. Or after this season. Good luck with that haters.

The only way I can see it is if the front office says he has to make coaching moves and then he refuses. I don't see it playing out like that, but it is the only way I see him getting axed.

 

[kerouac9]

The only way I can see it is if the front office says he has to make coaching moves and then he refuses. I don't see it playing out like that, but it is the only way I see him getting axed.

Yup. That's the only scenario in which Whis isn't the head coach in 2013.

 

[Superfuzz]

Whiz's record without Warner starting:

18-25


Whiz's record with Warner starting:
26-19
with playoffs:
30-21


Writing's on the wall.

OL has been equally putrid thorughout his whole 6-year tenure. It's scary to think if it weren't for anything other than Warner's freakishly quick release and HOF-ability to read a defense and call plays, Whiz probably would have been fired by 2009 or so.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Whiz's record without Warner starting:

18-25


Whiz's record with Warner starting:
26-19
with playoffs:
30-21


Writing's on the wall.

OL has been equally putrid thorughout his whole 6-year tenure. It's scary to think if it weren't for anything other than Warner's freakishly quick release and HOF-ability to read a defense and call plays, Whiz probably would have been fired by 2009 or so.

It's so surprising to learn that a head coach does better with a HOF caliber quarterback on his team.

Steve

 

[Superfuzz]

It's so surprising to learn that a head coach does better with a HOF caliber quarterback on his team.

Steve

It's equally surprising that good coaches can have a winning record WITHOUT an HOF QB. See Alex Smith and Jim Harbaugh. Flacco and the other Harbaugh. Schaub and Kubiak. Cutler and Smith. Hell, Ponder and Frazier this year.

Your fallacy is that you're framing it as Whiz having a BETTER record with an HOF qb. The point isn't that, but that Whiz has only a decent record with one, and a losing record without one. 18-25 does not equal keeping your job in the NFL. Only among Cardinals fans would 18-25 be an HC's record worth defending.

As I said, what's surprising is that it took an HOF QB to get Whiz a mere ONE and TWO games above .500. Imagine what the Ravens, Niners, Texans or even Bears would do with '08-'09 Warner throwing the ball.



And for that matter, why were we only 9-7 and 10-6 with Warner? Why did he retire?

That's right, because we still had the worst OL in the league. Whiz, Grimm and Graves' fault.

 

[NJCardFan]

The player turnover and injuries have caught up with us. We only have 4 starters currently who were drafted before 2009. Campbell, Fitz, Dockett and Wilson.

Only one of those were drafted by Whiz. Let that sink in a second and decide whether or not Whiz needs to go.

 

[vinnymac]

My vote is whiz needs to stay. He has done a great job with what has been given to him. The problem with this team and always has been is the front office. I will admit the front office has done a better job. The offensive line needs to be addressed this offseason. I don't know who going to be a free agentcy will have an answer, but the draft will.

 

[Shzm13]

My vote is whiz needs to stay. He has done a great job with what has been given to him. The problem with this team and always has been is the front office. I will admit the front office has done a better job. The offensive line needs to be addressed this offseason. I don't know who going to be a free agentcy will have an answer, but the draft will.

Oline was a mess when he got here...Warner did an amazing job and worked through it. Now we have QBs who can't and its exposing what a crappy job Whiz has done.

 

[nashman]

IMO whiz is getting way to much of a pass from a lot of you guys! Some of you seem to think the FO is drafting or actually NOT drafting OL players, if you think whiz doesn't have a say in talent evaluation and who we draft I would say bs! Coaches have tons of input if not final say in some cases of what players to get, in whiz's case I just don't think he has the ability to judge talent! I mean he's supposed to be an offensive guy but yet can't judge a QB to save his life, and if not for already having Warner on the team what would his record be? Would he even still have a job... Simple answer us NO! Warner and the teams success under him bought whiz extra time, no he is being exposed. We all wondered why the steelers went a different direction, maybe they actually saw all of his deficiencies! I know tomlin has looked a hell of a lot more prepared in every game!

 

[Solar7]

People seem to forget all the time that Warner was abysmal here when Denny Green was coaching the team. Coaching has a lot to do with it, and Whiz was the guy that got the most out of him.

 

[nashman]

People also act like whiz made Warner out of thin air, you do realize he was a proven Super Bowl winning MVP right? No doubt he struggled under Denny but he also didn't get much if a shot.

 

[Duckjake]

People seem to forget all the time that Warner was abysmal here when Denny Green was coaching the team. Coaching has a lot to do with it, and Whiz was the guy that got the most out of him.

But coaching has nothing to do with the offensive line? What have they done to get the most out of the offensive line.

 

[Jetstream Green]

this O line is poo poo cah cah which makes Grimm...

 

[azsouthendzone]

People seem to forget all the time that Warner was abysmal here when Denny Green was coaching the team. Coaching has a lot to do with it, and Whiz was the guy that got the most out of him.

Lol Cards were #1 in passing in the NFL with Warner and Green. Fact check. Not only that but I am pretty sure Warner won a Super Bowl and MVP without Whiz. If the cards don't win 7 games Whiz is 100 percent gone.

 

[AZ Native]

Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BigDavis75]

More like Manthony Sherman, amirite?

 

[BigDavis75]

Thought I was in game thread still.

 

[Red Dawn]

The only way Whis will get fired is if season ticket sales take a dump.

 

[Duckjake]

The only way Whis will get fired is if season ticket sales take a dump.

Why? The Cards sold out every game Green's last season.

 

[Red Dawn]

Why? The Cards sold out every game Green's last season.

The newness of the stadium is wearing off.

 

[Cards_Campos]

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