The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[TJ]

Daily reminder of why Ayton should be the #1. Hope you're watching, McD.

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[JCSunsfan]

We don't need anymore draft assets. We have plenty of future firsts.

We need top-tier players. Stand pat at #1 and take Ayton.

This exactly. You have to quit collecting assets and build a team. There is nothing that substitutes for the best possible players at their position. You could have 50 first rounders but you can only play 5 at a time. Rebuilding demands collecting assets but then you have to get lucky and put together a team. Either a player has to turn out to be a superstar, or you have to get the chance to draft one. We have had both with Booker and Ayton.

 

[SirStefan32]

Suns need to NOT get cute here. They have a number one pick, they need to draft Ayton. If they are in love with Doncic, that's fine- try to get a trade with Sacramento, but this trade-down business is foolishness.

I suspect it would take every other pick we have plus Jackson. Not sure how much I would give up. Booker and #1 pick are clearly off limits, and I am not sure I'd send Jackson to Sacramento either for #2. Doncic will be a better overall player, but I suspect Jackson is gonna be really good too, and will always be a better defender.

As for Doncic, I hope he is just giving a diplomatic answer. If he is really trying to work his way out of Sacramento, I really don't like it. Sacramento is actually a REALLY good fit for him.

 

[taz02]

The idea of drafting both Doncic and Ayton is laughable. There is no sensible way for the suns to trade up to the number 2 spot in this draft, given the level of talent. The suns could maybe move to the 6-10 range, but there is no way Doncic is falling that far. It would require:

1. Doncic refusing to work out for teams

2. Something negative about his character/maturity being revealed

3. His desire to come to the NBA to be questioned, causing teams to shy away

To top it off, all of this would require Doncic having a target team that he prefers over everyone else and an agreement with that team to draft him later. For this to be feasible the team would need to have insight into Doncic’s skill and character that other teams would not have, combined with a high level of trust with his agent.

What are the chances of all of this happening…….

 

[Chaplin]

The idea of drafting both Doncic and Ayton is laughable. There is no sensible way for the suns to trade up to the number 2 spot in this draft, given the level of talent. The suns could maybe move to the 6-10 range, but there is no way Doncic is falling that far. It would require:

1. Doncic refusing to work out for teams

2. Something negative about his character/maturity being revealed

3. His desire to come to the NBA to be questioned, causing teams to shy away

To top it off, all of this would require Doncic having a target team that he prefers over everyone else and an agreement with that team to draft him later. For this to be feasible the team would need to have insight into Doncic’s skill and character that other teams would not have, combined with a high level of trust with his agent.

What are the chances of all of this happening…….

Well, he's not working out for teams, so you can discount #1 right away.

 

[SirStefan32]

The idea of drafting both Doncic and Ayton is laughable. There is no sensible way for the suns to trade up to the number 2 spot in this draft, given the level of talent. The suns could maybe move to the 6-10 range, but there is no way Doncic is falling that far. It would require:

1. Doncic refusing to work out for teams

2. Something negative about his character/maturity being revealed

3. His desire to come to the NBA to be questioned, causing teams to shy away

To top it off, all of this would require Doncic having a target team that he prefers over everyone else and an agreement with that team to draft him later. For this to be feasible the team would need to have insight into Doncic’s skill and character that other teams would not have, combined with a high level of trust with his agent.

What are the chances of all of this happening…….

Slim to none, but it could be worked out. I am unsure of the rules though. My collusion radar is going off, but I really have no idea as to what the rules are.

 

[SirStefan32]

Suns need to see what each team in top five would want, and if they find something reasonable, have Duffy leak that he is staying in Europe for a year, then change his mind after the draft, perhaps? The question is really what do the Suns give up for #2? Do you include Jackson? Warren? Chriss and Bender? Unprotected Miami pick? Their own unprotected pick next year?

 

[JCSunsfan]

The idea of drafting both Doncic and Ayton is laughable. There is no sensible way for the suns to trade up to the number 2 spot in this draft, given the level of talent. The suns could maybe move to the 6-10 range, but there is no way Doncic is falling that far. It would require:

1. Doncic refusing to work out for teams

2. Something negative about his character/maturity being revealed

3. His desire to come to the NBA to be questioned, causing teams to shy away

To top it off, all of this would require Doncic having a target team that he prefers over everyone else and an agreement with that team to draft him later. For this to be feasible the team would need to have insight into Doncic’s skill and character that other teams would not have, combined with a high level of trust with his agent.

What are the chances of all of this happening…….

1. Done. His agent as already said he will be doing no workouts, his Euro league film speaks for itself.
2. Done. Gambo now starting to float rumors about immaturity (this is a fairly silly point on my part, but I am going with it).
3. Done in his quote that started all this conversation today.
4. Done. Suns agree to draft him with anything but the first overall pick. His agent has already said in interviews that going to the Suns under Kokoskov is the perfect place for him AND "if I were a magician, I would find a way to make that happen." His direct words.

Which side are you arguing for anyway?

 

[SirStefan32]

It's still difficult to pull off, though.

 

[SirStefan32]

As a side note, if McD finds a way to get Ayton AND Doncic, I will print out a picture of him and hang it on the wall in my living room for a year.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Suns need to see what each team in top five would want, and if they find something reasonable, have Duffy leak that he is staying in Europe for a year, then change his mind after the draft, perhaps? The question is really what do the Suns give up for #2? Do you include Jackson? Warren? Chriss and Bender? Unprotected Miami pick? Their own unprotected pick next year?

He has agreed to a series of one year extensions. He can threaten to sign long term in Europe. Doncic has significant leverage and an agent who know how to use it. After all Duffy is also the agent that got Dragic to Miami. He is also the agent for Ayton and Kokoskov.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It's still difficult to pull off, though.

It is, because you have to find a team willing to do a trade. This is a deep draft and they can just as easily pass on Doncic and draft someone else. Inevitably there will be some team that says, "hang it, I am going to draft this kid anyway." Duffy probably also has a back up team that he would love to work with. But you can bet its not Sacramento or Cleveland.

 

[Phrazbit]

Suns need to see what each team in top five would want, and if they find something reasonable, have Duffy leak that he is staying in Europe for a year, then change his mind after the draft, perhaps? The question is really what do the Suns give up for #2? Do you include Jackson? Warren? Chriss and Bender? Unprotected Miami pick? Their own unprotected pick next year?

I doubt Doncic would refuse Atlanta, Dallas or Orlando. You've got to look at it from the scope of if we had the pick what would make us give it up? Warren is a non-factor IMO, he's window dressing in a legit big time trade. IMO you're talking about Jackson... 3 firsts (one of them being Miami), all with minimal protect?

Personally, I'd be willing to give up the Miami pick, the Bucks pick, our own pick with only top 3 protection next year to swap with Orlando and get Trae Young. But I doubt that would be enough, and that is for the 6th pick and Trae Young, getting Doncic would be more expensive.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I doubt Doncic would refuse Atlanta, Dallas or Orlando. You've got to look at it from the scope of if we had the pick what would make us give it up? Warren is a non-factor IMO, he's window dressing in a legit big time trade. IMO you're talking about Jackson... 3 firsts (one of them being Miami), all with minimal protect?

Personally, I'd be willing to give up the Miami pick, the Bucks pick, our own pick with only top 3 protection next year to swap with Orlando and get Trae Young. But I doubt that would be enough, and that is for the 6th pick and Trae Young, getting Doncic would be more expensive.

I think Jackson has a lot more trade value than we think. Other teams in the league see him. He is a legit two way player. Last year in the draft, he was a good bet. Now he looks like a sure thing. I would not be surprised to see Jackson plus maybe one pick for Doncic, especially if a team is looking for a wing in the draft.

However, I would really want to keep Jackson. Bender has some trade value. At 7-1 with the ability to shoot the 3 and defensive ability, he is a nice get with some maturity. I would not be surprised if Bender would generate more trade interest than TJ.

If I am right about Bender (and I easily could be wrong), Bender plus 16, plus our unprotected #1 and the Miami 2021 might be interesting to a team entering a long term rebuild like Atlanta.

 

[Phrazbit]

I think Jackson has a lot more trade value than we think. Other teams in the league see him. He is a legit two way player. Last year in the draft, he was a good bet. Now he looks like a sure thing. I would not be surprised to see Jackson plus maybe one pick for Dragic, especially if a team is looking for a wing in the draft.

I think Jackson has a LOT of trade value, but I think to make that trade happen it would require a trade along those lines. Doncic is viewed as a generational talent by a large portion of NBA people. It's going to cost a ton to get him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I doubt Doncic would refuse Atlanta, Dallas or Orlando. You've got to look at it from the scope of if we had the pick what would make us give it up? Warren is a non-factor IMO, he's window dressing in a legit big time trade. IMO you're talking about Jackson... 3 firsts (one of them being Miami), all with minimal protect?

Personally, I'd be willing to give up the Miami pick, the Bucks pick, our own pick with only top 3 protection next year to swap with Orlando and get Trae Young. But I doubt that would be enough, and that is for the 6th pick and Trae Young, getting Doncic would be more expensive.

That is way too much for Trae young

 

[Phrazbit]

That is way too much for Trae young

I have a high opinion of him, I think he's going to be a star.

I look at is as... we're giving up the Bucks pick (probably #20-25 next year), our pick next year (with that core... probably #8-12) and Miami's pick in 2021 (who the hell knows?). To me, that is a no brainer, IMO, worst case Young is a solid starting point guard who makes everyone's job easier on offense but is bad on D.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think Jackson has a LOT of trade value, but I think to make that trade happen it would require a trade along those lines. Doncic is viewed as a generational talent by a large portion of NBA people. It's going to cost a ton to get him.

There is a media frenzy going on about Doncic, with very little actual scouting on the media's part. I think GM's see him as a very good player and potential all-star, but not a generational talent. A jack of all trades without high level athleticism is not a generational talent.

People read too much thestepien. Those are just guys, like us.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I have a high opinion of him, I think he's going to be a star.

I look at is as... we're giving up the Bucks pick (probably #20-25 next year), our pick next year (with that core... probably #8-12) and Miami's pick in 2021 (who the hell knows?). To me, that is a no brainer, IMO, worst case Young is a solid starting point guard who makes everyone's job easier on offense but is bad on D.

I’d give this years 16, next year our unprotected, Milwaukee pick and Warren or Chriss for young.

 

[Phrazbit]

There is a media frenzy going on about Doncic, with very little actual scouting on the media's part. I think GM's see him as a very good player and potential all-star, but not a generational talent. A jack of all trades without high level athleticism is not a generational talent.

People read too much thestepien. Those are just guys, like us.

It's not just thestepien, and I doubt a lot of people read it at all. That site has Ayton 6th. Doncic has had people drooling over him for over a year. Our owner flew out there to watch him play. It's not a hype machine, it is a 19 year old shredding Europe. I know people are nitpicking now (just as this board has started to do with Ayton) but yes, Doncic is viewed as a potential generational talent.

 

[taz02]

1. Done. His agent as already said he will be doing no workouts, his Euro league film speaks for itself.
2. Done. Gambo now starting to float rumors about immaturity (this is a fairly silly point on my part, but I am going with it).
3. Done in his quote that started all this conversation today.
4. Done. Suns agree to draft him with anything but the first overall pick. His agent has already said in interviews that going to the Suns under Kokoskov is the perfect place for him AND "if I were a magician, I would find a way to make that happen." His direct words.

Which side are you arguing for anyway?

My sense of humor often does not translate, which explains why I am a long time lurker and in frequent poster. It was an attempt to point out that a number of the recent developments could support an effort to guide Doncic to the Suns. Something that would be great and I would support.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Oh well. Not very likely. But it is interesting. If anything does happen, it will all be in secret on draft day.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Watch this video again with the comments Luka made in mind.

https://www.24ur.com/sport/kosarka/...-cutimo-da-je-zdaj-pravi-cas-za-ligo-nba.html

WOW he flat says he wants him to be a Sun

 

[JCSunsfan]

My sense of humor often does not translate, which explains why I am a long time lurker and in frequent poster. It was an attempt to point out that a number of the recent developments could support an effort to guide Doncic to the Suns. Something that would be great and I would support.

I was wondering if that was what you were doing.

 

[JCSunsfan]

WOW he flat says he wants him to be a Sun

Yes he does. And that if he was a magician he would make it happen. So, when you have two parties that interested in each other, how do you eliminate everyone else in the middle?