The Suns with the 2018 #1 overall pick select....

[GatorAZ]

They need a point guard who can shoot now.

Getting Dragic back won’t cost much IMO. He won Eurobaskst MVP with Kokoskov so he won’t be heartbroken from passing in Doncic, lol.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

especially if Igor's motion offense is legit. If it is and it's not super PG heavy, getting 3 and D guys at PG/PF would round out a very impressive starting 5.

Luc Mbah a Moute would be a good target at the right price, assuming he recovers from this shoulder injury that has him struggling in the playoffs.

 

[Phrazbit]

Getting Dragic back won’t cost much IMO. He won Eurobaskst MVP with Kokoskov so he won’t be heartbroken from passing in Doncic, lol.

Dragic is already in decline, he makes a TON of money and I suspect even if all it cost us was Miami's pick in 2021 we'd be thinking to ourselves... "poo!!!" once it came about.

 

[Hoop Head]

Would Dragic be content being the 3rd or 4th option behind Booker, Ayton, and Jackson? I'm not so sure. He's making a lot of money now but how poorly he handled his trade demand out of here makes me want to steer clear of him.

 

[hsandhu]

Wish we had 15 now, 15 and 16 + might have been a good offer for rozier.

He is extension eligible this offseason, and restricted next summer. If kyri e is healthy, he gets huge deal, they will not also pay big bucks to rozier, so will trade him before 2019 summer.

 

[GatorAZ]

Dragic is already in decline, he makes a TON of money and I suspect even if all it cost us was Miami's pick in 2021 we'd be thinking to ourselves... "****!!!" once it came about.

He makes peanuts compared to some other PG’s. Booker is much better scoring option than anything Dragic had. I’m not even a Goran fanboy either.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dragic is already in decline, he makes a TON of money and I suspect even if all it cost us was Miami's pick in 2021 we'd be thinking to ourselves... "****!!!" once it came about.

Agree. No to Dragic if it costs the Suns the Miami pick in 2021.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Luc Mbah a Moute would be a good target at the right price, assuming he recovers from this shoulder injury that has him struggling in the playoffs.

my secret hope is that somehow my biggest whipping boy... Bender... grows a set of huevos and becomes a solid three point shooting stretch 4... or Chriss learns how to dunk and gets consistent.

It would be great for the home-grown talent to grow up together. That's what happened with GS and I think it's what's led to sacrifice money wise because they all have built something so damn special and different.

That prob DOESN'T happen here, but a man can dream and that's what tonight is ALL ABOUT!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

THREE #1's and a solid 15-20ppg guy for (I'm assuming) Doncic?

I just can't get on board with that.

Yes but I believe Doncic will be an elite pg

 

[Phrazbit]

He makes peanuts compared to some other PG’s. Booker is much better scoring option than anything Dragic had. I’m not even a Goran fanboy either.

He's making nearly 20 million a year and he is on the wrong side of 30, he is not a distributor, he does not like playing without the ball in his hands, he is a terrible defender and he relies heavily on quickness, when it starts to go for him it is going to go FAST, I want no part of paying a cost of picks AND salary for that.

 

[Phrazbit]

THREE #1's and a solid 15-20ppg guy for (I'm assuming) Doncic?

I just can't get on board with that.

I'd do that trade in a heartbeat and I don't think the Kings would answer the phone again.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

my secret hope is that somehow my biggest whipping boy... Bender... grows a set of huevos and becomes a solid three point shooting stretch 4... or Chriss learns how to dunk and gets consistent.

It would be great for the home-grown talent to grow up together. That's what happened with GS and I think it's what's led to sacrifice money wise because they all have built something so damn special and different.

That prob DOESN'T happen here, but a man can dream and that's what tonight is ALL ABOUT!

That's the thing...What we HOPE Bender can be would be absolutely PERFECT for what the Suns need. A smart passer who can switch on defense effectively and reliably spread the floor would be the ideal fit between Jackson and Ayton. He's the prototype...Now he just needs to actually BE that player.

 

[GatorAZ]

He's making nearly 20 million a year and he is on the wrong side of 30, he is not a distributor, he does not like playing without the ball in his hands, he is a terrible defender and he relies heavily on quickness, when it starts to go for him it is going to go FAST, I want no part of paying a cost of picks AND salary for that.

I would easily. He’s still productive and would thrive as a third scorer at this point of his career. 18m for a 17/4/4 guy is nothing really. I would not give the unprotected Heat pick though.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Maybe it’s just me...... but is anyone worried about what the future of the NBA looks like for big men?

No dominant bigs for the past few years have made an impact in the playoffs. Capela, Horford, Green, and Thompson in final four while Davis, Embid, and others sit at home.
A league trending more and more towards 3 pointers and pace of play.
Ayton is a remarkably poor defender adding to our current issues.


I’m not advocating for Doncic, just don’t think this becomes what you all think it may become. He’s not Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, or even Anthony Davis IMO. And he may not even be a Jokic level player in this league. Hell.....He’s not even the prospect Oden was as his defensive liabilities really detract from any offensive impact he may have.

Who really knows though. I may be viewed as a fool in 3 years but damn...... I didn’t expect this much drooling over him. Even the usual pessimists are beaming!




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[pokerface]

You are kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding. "Today, class, we're covering Inconsistency 101. Homework assignment for tomorrow, hard hands."

Yes I'm kidding ! I've hated Len for the last two years!!

 

[Mainstreet]

@Poop Head

I didn't really answer your question about Kemba Walker. The problem with Walker is he is only under contract for next season and he will be looking for a big contract thereafter.

I worry about the Suns being able to keep him in FA and pay the salary he will command.

Otherwise, there is a lot to like.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe it’s just me...... but is anyone worried about what the future of the NBA looks like for big men?

No dominant bigs for the past few years have made an impact in the playoffs. Capela, Horford, Green, and Thompson in final four while Davis, Embid, and others sit at home.
A league trending more and more towards 3 pointers and pace of play.
Ayton is a remarkably poor defender adding to our current issues.


I’m not advocating for Doncic, just don’t think this becomes what you all think it may become. He’s not Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, or even Anthony Davis IMO. And he may not even be a Jokic level player in this league. Hell.....He’s not even the prospect Oden was as his defensive liabilities really detract from any offensive impact he may have.

Who really knows though. I may be viewed as a fool in 3 years but damn...... I didn’t expect this much drooling over him. Even the usual pessimists are beaming!

I'm not worried about Ayton in this regard because he is mobile and has an outside shot. He will need to get better on defense though as do a lot of college players.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe it’s just me...... but is anyone worried about what the future of the NBA looks like for big men?

No dominant bigs for the past few years have made an impact in the playoffs. Capela, Horford, Green, and Thompson in final four while Davis, Embid, and others sit at home.
A league trending more and more towards 3 pointers and pace of play.
Ayton is a remarkably poor defender adding to our current issues.


I’m not advocating for Doncic, just don’t think this becomes what you all think it may become. He’s not Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, or even Anthony Davis IMO. And he may not even be a Jokic level player in this league. Hell.....He’s not even the prospect Oden was as his defensive liabilities really detract from any offensive impact he may have.

Who really knows though. I may be viewed as a fool in 3 years but damn...... I didn’t expect this much drooling over him. Even the usual pessimists are beaming!

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Are you implying that those teams came up short because of their big men? Because, if not, I don't really see the relevance here. I do agree that Ayton might be less than we hope for but he has enough skills to survive in the modern NBA.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Maybe it’s just me...... but is anyone worried about what the future of the NBA looks like for big men?

No dominant bigs for the past few years have made an impact in the playoffs. Capela, Horford, Green, and Thompson in final four while Davis, Embid, and others sit at home.
A league trending more and more towards 3 pointers and pace of play.
Ayton is a remarkably poor defender adding to our current issues.


I’m not advocating for Doncic, just don’t think this becomes what you all think it may become. He’s not Duncan, Robinson, Olajuwon, or even Anthony Davis IMO. And he may not even be a Jokic level player in this league. Hell.....He’s not even the prospect Oden was as his defensive liabilities really detract from any offensive impact he may have.

Who really knows though. I may be viewed as a fool in 3 years but damn...... I didn’t expect this much drooling over him. Even the usual pessimists are beaming!




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So this has been my concern as well. I LOVE Doncic. LOVE LOVE LOVE Doncic

And I still take Ayton 1. His ceiling is the Admiral. If you get a chance at it, you have to take it.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Are you implying that those teams came up short because of their big men? Because, if not, I don't really see the relevance here. I do agree that Ayton might be less than we hope for but he has enough skills to survive in the modern NBA.

I am implying that the league is moving more and more towards the perimeter. And that a dominant center needs to hit threes at a 40 percent clip to even be successful when his defense is as inconsistent as Ayton has shown us so far.

I see centers as more expendable than ball dominant 2s and 3s who can create their own shots, and don’t rely on others passing them the rock.

But again.... I may be wrong and this guy turns into a 7 foot Lebron James in 3 years.


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[Hoop Head]

@Poop Head

I didn't really answer your question about Kemba Walker. The problem with Walker is he is only under contract for next season and he will be looking for a big contract thereafter.

I worry about the Suns being able to keep him in FA and pay the salary he will command.

Otherwise, there is a lot to like.

We'd have his bird rights and a team on the rise, clearly, we'd have to be more attractive than Charlotte for him. I know the cost may be an issue but there would be more options next summer than there are this year. I think if they added Walker they could contend for a playoff spot and if he gets along with our core I don't see why we couldn't retain him. Adding Ayton could be huge, our blueprint doesn't contain as much "luck" and "hope" as it did, it'd be clear where we're headed as our guys develop and I trust Kemba would see that if we got him this year and he could play with Ayton, Jackson, and Booker.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So this has been my concern as well. I LOVE Doncic. LOVE LOVE LOVE Doncic

And I still take Ayton 1. His ceiling is the Admiral. If you get a chance at it, you have to take it.

Understood.

And my position is that the Admiral wouldn’t be the Admiral, in today’s NBA. Sure he would still be great..... Bigs have to be fast, agile, deadly from three, able to flash on a pick and roll but quick enough to retreat back to their man, and a beast at defending the rim.

Basically Anthony Davis. And I don’t see that in Ayton. I think he is amazing.... don’t get me wrong. Just not what the NBA has evolved in to being.


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[Cheesebeef]

I am implying that the league is moving more and more towards the perimeter. And that a dominant center needs to hit threes at a 40 percent clip to even be successful when his defense is as inconsistent as Ayton has shown us so far.

I see centers as more expendable than ball dominant 2s and 3s who can create their own shots, and don’t rely on others passing them the rock.

But again.... I may be wrong and this guy turns into a 7 foot Lebron James in 3 years.


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Feels like prisoner of the moment thinking. This team isn't going to be competing with today's NBA Super Powers by the time it matures into a title contender. Gotta look to the future and who the up and coming teams are and right now that's Boston, Sixers, Utah, NO (especially if they EVER pair Davis with another legit star). Three of those 4 clubs have very good-great Cs. Those are tomorrow's contenders and those are the teams we'll need to keep in mind when constructing our own. Hell, I could even throw Minny in there.

 

[1tinsoldier]

i never followed college ball.
how did the prospect hype after Duncan, Robinson, and Olajuwon's FIRST college year compare to Ayton?

 

[Phrazbit]

I would easily. He’s still productive and would thrive as a third scorer at this point of his career. 18m for a 17/4/4 guy is nothing really. I would not give the unprotected Heat pick though.

To what end? We're not going to contend and in couple years when we might be ready... he'll be toast. And I don't see Miami trading him to us without getting that pick back.