Thomas NOT returning

[reader]

Geeeez, some of you guys are so far off on what you think is happening and to write that is just plain wrong, it is not true at all and now you probably have some people believing it because you wrote it!!

Oh, that would be me, who believed it.

 

[nathan]

Geeeez, some of you guys are so far off on what you think is happening and to write that is just plain wrong, it is not true at all and now you probably have some people believing it because you wrote it!!

MastersofCombat also "reported" that the Mavs were working on a deal to acquire Ben Wallace for Stackhouse and Diop.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The general consensus at the Clips board at RealGM is ho hum.

Lots of comments like,

"Waste of our MLE again."
"Locker room cancer"
"Doesn't play defense"
"Classic situation where Nash made him look good"

Doesn't look like anyone is happy about this.

 

[sunsfn]

MastersofCombat also "reported" that the Mavs were working on a deal to acquire Ben Wallace for Stackhouse and Diop.

That may be, I do not know anything about that deal. I would think that Wallace is on his way down and would be surprised if the Mavs gave up Diop who played very good for them all year and in the playoffs, to give Wallace a big payday. Could happen

 

[Chaplin]

The days of the Suns drawing people here for nothing are gone. Sarver has PO enough free agents and their Agents that I don't think it's a forgone conclusion anymore.

No team has been able to do that since the Joe Smith/Minnesota fiasco. The league has cracked down a lot since the strike year to eliminate any kind of wink-wink deal that arises.

 

[overseascardfan]

gray and hibbert would be TERRIBLE picks for the dantoni system. they wouldn't make it a 1/4 of the court before the rest of the team was jacking up shots. and mind you, i'm a hoya alum, so i love hibbert, but he couldn't play for dantoni if his life and all of his family's lives depended on it.

Okat they would make us a half court team but is their another shot blocker/rebounding C in next years draft?

 

[Cheesebeef]

The general consensus at the Clips board at RealGM is ho hum.

Lots of comments like,

"Waste of our MLE again."
"Locker room cancer"
"Doesn't play defense"
"Classic situation where Nash made him look good"

Doesn't look like anyone is happy about this.

and it was probably the same Clipper fans who during Game 4 at Staples Center pointed to LAKER banners to talk trash to me and Ouchie. What they say doesn't really hold much weight considering they were just introduced to actual NBA basketball for the first time last year.

 

[justAndy]

great character guy, that TT - all his "I'd be ********" - "I've made plenty of $$".
Contract year player, then he gets lazy when he gets his $$.
Yes - a great open court shooter - mediocre defender - TERRIBLE rebounder.

 

[slinslin]

great character guy, that TT - all his "I'd be ********" - "I've made plenty of $$".
Contract year player, then he gets lazy when he gets his $$.
Yes - a great open court shooter - mediocre defender - TERRIBLE rebounder.

He seemed to rebound and defend better than Marion in the playoffs for most games.

 

[MastersofCombat]

Lakers, Clippers Make Moves
Radmanovic signs with Lakers; Cassell on the way out as Clippers sign Suns' Thomas
By Mike Bresnahan and Jason Reid, Times Staff Writer
4:13 PM PDT, July 1, 2006


The Los Angeles Lakers moved quickly Saturday on the first day of free agency, addressing their need for outside shooting by snatching away a piece from their cross-town rival by agreeing to terms with three-point specialist Vladimir Radmanovic.

The Los Angeles Clippers also reacted quickly after Radmanovic and point guard Sam Cassell apparently reneged on agreements to stay with them, reaching terms with sharp-shooting forward Tim Thomas early Saturday.
Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy and the representatives of Thomas, a 6-foot-10 forward who revived his career with Phoenix late last season, completed a four-year, $24-million deal Saturday at about 12:30 a.m. The move capped a dizzying three-hour period in which the Clippers were informed Cassell and Radmanovic accepted and then rejected multi-year offers, sources said.

Radmanovic agreed Saturday to a five-year, $31-million contract with the Lakers, the same package the Clippers offered.

"At the conclusion of the moratorium period, the Lakers intend to enter into a contract with Vladimir Radmanovic," Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak said.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Contract year player, then he gets lazy when he gets his $$.

everyone keeps saying this, but how is it possible that he gets his money, then gets lazy and ACROSS THE BOARD HIS NUMBERS WENT UP AFTER THE CONTRACT in the next 2 out of three seasons (and then he went ot NY where he put up the same number as he did before the contract).

People like to perpetuate the myth of TT, but it's really because admitting the truth sucks. This move will come back to bite us in the ass. The Clippers and Lakers just got better today and we're now very thin at PF/C, bare boned at PG and it looks like we're waiting to scarpe the bottom of the barrel to address both of those needs. Yahoo.

 

[Cheesebeef]

eh - well if Cassel really does leave the Clips, the Thomas departure shouldn't hurt THAT much, because the Clips are likely 7-8/lotto bound. If Cassel comes back, that team could be frightening.

Crap - I really hope Cassel doesn't go to the Hawks. That would just freaking suck.

 

[TucsonDevil]

We have no center at all.

We have no backup PG.

We have no backup SG.

We have no backup SF.

Matt Harpring is done.

Slin, I disagree. Our Backup PG in 'our system' is Leondro, a combo guard, so he is also our backup SG. KT is our center in 'our system'. Our backup SF is James Jones.

I believe in this system. That is not to say we don't have areas to address, but the present is not that bleak - IN FACT it is great.

 

[devilalum]

No team has been able to do that since the Joe Smith/Minnesota fiasco. The league has cracked down a lot since the strike year to eliminate any kind of wink-wink deal that arises.

This is true but Phoenix has been desirable over the years for other reasons, the winter weather, usually a winner, nice arena...

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is true but Phoenix has been desirable over the years for other reasons, the winter weather, usually a winner, nice arena...

you forgot to mention one of the most respected owners in all of pro-sports as well.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

If true, this means that Rad is gone for the Clips. Looks like a wash for them since they are similar players.

In any case, the Suns are at least in a position to use their full MLE, which was not likely if they hadn't made their moves.

If Rad id done in LA, love to have the Suns land him, I read somewhere they tried to get him

 

[JCSunsfan]

Lakers, Clippers Make Moves
Radmanovic signs with Lakers; Cassell on the way out as Clippers sign Suns' Thomas
By Mike Bresnahan and Jason Reid, Times Staff Writer
4:13 PM PDT, July 1, 2006


The Los Angeles Lakers moved quickly Saturday on the first day of free agency, addressing their need for outside shooting by snatching away a piece from their cross-town rival by agreeing to terms with three-point specialist Vladimir Radmanovic.

The Los Angeles Clippers also reacted quickly after Radmanovic and point guard Sam Cassell apparently reneged on agreements to stay with them, reaching terms with sharp-shooting forward Tim Thomas early Saturday.
Clippers Coach Mike Dunleavy and the representatives of Thomas, a 6-foot-10 forward who revived his career with Phoenix late last season, completed a four-year, $24-million deal Saturday at about 12:30 a.m. The move capped a dizzying three-hour period in which the Clippers were informed Cassell and Radmanovic accepted and then rejected multi-year offers, sources said.

Radmanovic agreed Saturday to a five-year, $31-million contract with the Lakers, the same package the Clippers offered.

"At the conclusion of the moratorium period, the Lakers intend to enter into a contract with Vladimir Radmanovic," Lakers General Manager Mitch Kupchak said.

Can't seem to find that article

Clippers Try to Keep Their Puzzle Together
As other teams express interest, they open their wallet in making offers to Cassell and Radmanovic.
By Jason Reid, Times Staff Writer
July 1, 2006

The Clippers moved quickly late Friday in an attempt to retain point guard Sam Cassell and forward Vladimir Radmanovic, making offers to the key players on the first day teams could discuss financial terms with free agents, The Times has learned.

They offered Cassell, last season's co-captain and emotional leader, a two-year deal that could be worth as much as $12 million. Radmanovic, whose long-range shooting helped in the Clippers' run to the Western Conference semifinals, received a five-year, $31-million offer, sources close to the players said. Players can sign contracts beginning July 12.

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Teams were permitted to open negotiations immediately after midnight on the East Coast, and the Clippers extended the proposals to the players' representatives on Friday at 9:01 p.m., sources said. At one point, the Clippers believed they were close to reaching agreements with both players.

Other teams' interest in Cassell and Radmanovic, however, delayed the process, and it became unclear whether the Clippers would have to pursue alternatives. The Lakers were believed to be among the teams aggressively pursuing Radmanovic.

Cassell's agent, David Falk, persuaded the Clippers to make a two-year offer.

Including bonuses, Cassell had a $6.3-million salary last season. The team had initially considered offering Cassell, who turns 37 on Nov. 18, a one-year, $7.5-million contract, or about $2.1 million more than the midlevel exception for 2006-07 season.

That rate would have made Cassell the third-highest paid on the roster behind power forward Elton Brand and swingman Cuttino Mobley. Moreover, only 11 point guards in the NBA last season made more than $7 million.

Cassell, however, wants the security of a multiyear package, so he was weighing taking less guaranteed money (about $5.4 million) in the first year of the deal. The 13-year veteran averaged 17.2 points and a team-leading 6.3 assists during the season. In the postseason, Cassell averaged 18 points and 5.8 assists.

Despite Cassell's contribution, some NBA observers might consider it surprising the Clippers would be willing to pay him that much at his age, especially considering Cassell might play behind rising young point guard Shaun Livingston next season.

But Cassell's confidence, upbeat personality and clutch shooting helped the Clippers experience their best season, and improve the image of a franchise once considered among the worst in sports. Moreover, Cassell is one of the team's most popular players with fans.

The 6-foot-10 Radmanovic is considering taking the midlevel exception. Radmanovic, who earned $3.1 million last season, would have a salary of about $5.4 million next season and receive 8% increases each season, if he accepted the Clippers' proposal.

At Coach Mike Dunleavy's prodding, the Clippers traded backup forward-center Chris Wilcox to the Seattle SuperSonics for Radmanovic on Feb. 14. Wilcox, a former first-round draft pick whose inconsistency and apparent lackadaisical attitude infuriated Dunleavy, thrived in Seattle, and Radmanovic fit in well with the Clippers.

The three-point specialist prompted opponents to extend their defense, opening opportunities for others on offense. And teams were reluctant to double-team Brand as often with Radmanovic on the court.

In 30 games with the Clippers, Radmanovic averaged 10.7 points and 5.7 rebounds. He made 41.8% of his three-pointers.

He averaged 8.1 points in the postseason while shooting 46.3% beyond the three-point arc. Radmanovic made five of six three-pointers against the Phoenix Suns in Game 3 of the Western Conference semifinals.

 

[devilalum]

you forgot to mention one of the most respected owners in all of pro-sports as well.

You mean past tense right?

 

[pokerface]

Slin, I disagree. Our Backup PG in 'our system' is Leondro, a combo guard, so he is also our backup SG.

Barbosa isnt a combo guard...He neither a PG, SG. or SF for that matter. He is called a tweener.

 

[reader]

Can't seem to find that article

Here is the link

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakeclip2jul02,1,3188262.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

 

[Cheesebeef]

You mean past tense right?

uh, yeah, you said "over the years" - the implies past tense doesn't it?

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, are we offering Cassell, TT's deal. 3 years and 12 million. That's what the Clips were offering--only over two. But Cassell is probably going to retire after 2 anyway. So we spread the cap hit and pay him a year into retirement.

Not sure I want Cassell but its a thought. Not sure I want to commit the money to him.

 

[Chaplin]

Not sure why anyone would possibly entertain the idea that Sam Cassell would ever play for the Suns.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Peja is going to the Hornets! Indy traded Artest for NOTHING!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Not sure why anyone would possibly entertain the idea that Sam Cassell would ever play for the Suns.

seriously! where the hll did that idea come from?