Trade Deadline Thread

[slinslin]

With the allstar weekend and trade deadline coming up I guess we need a thread for everything related.

As per NBA wiretap Jahlil Okafor, Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja, Willie Cauley-Stein, Emanuel Mudiay are 5 struggling 2nd year players that could be moved and potentially interesting dice-rolls for the Suns.

All 5 of them were drafted ahead of Devin Booker.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

These type of high-potential struggling players are exactly what the Suns should be targeting. Johnson, Hezonja, and Cauley-Stein would all be particularly interesting options for the right price.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I suppose this is a good place to leave this link to an article that expects us to be big players during this deadline.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/02/14/nba...-pacers-are-all-active-before-trade-deadline/

 

[BleedRed]

I was reading an article this morning on ESPN about the possibility of the Pistons trading Drummond.... if there is any chance Detroit is considering this I hope we're exploring the idea. I would actually prefer him over Cousins and think he would be a great fit. Not to mention I'd imagine the price would be a little less. What do you guys think?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I was reading an article this morning on ESPN about the possibility of the Pistons trading Drummond.... if there is any chance Detroit is considering this I hope we're exploring the idea. I would actually prefer him over Cousins and think he would be a great fit. Not to mention I'd imagine the price would be a little less. What do you guys think?

I'd make a play for Stanley Johnson and the big guy but I don't think Drummond is anywhere near the player Cousins is (yet, anyway). His inability to stay on the court in crunch time is a huge concern but let's face it, SVG is a psychotic head coach that tends to drive his players crazy so they may both be fixable.

 

[Mainstreet]

Drummond is at least under contract for several seasons whereas Cousins can walk after next season. I'm not pushing either, especially Cousins.

I think Cousins price tag would be extensive.

 

[pokerface]

Drummond is at least under contract for several seasons whereas Cousins can walk after next season. I'm not pushing either, especially Cousins.

I think Cousins price tag would be extensive.

So I guess Cousins isn't going anywhere? I wonder why the net was a buzz over a Cousins trade if it's impossible. I mean who trade for a player of that stature to just let him walk?

 

[pokerface]

We need to trade Bled now to hold off the Lakers.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We need to trade Bled now to hold off the Lakers.

But on it's own that's a horrible reason to trade Bledsoe. I'm all for trading him and have been for several months but only if there is real value in return.

You can't get rid of a player like him solely to give you a better chance of getting a better pick so that you have a slightly better chance of making the right decision. You're giving up far too much that is concrete for such nebulous gains. And LA has even more reason than us to finish second, by far, and for them it's even more important than the player pool available at that point.

 

[Mainstreet]

So I guess Cousins isn't going anywhere? I wonder why the net was a buzz over a Cousins trade if it's impossible. I mean who trade for a player of that stature to just let him walk?

Who knows what what the Kings are thinking. Cousins can still be traded. However, they are likely asking for the moon. Maybe they will back off this at the trade deadline.

I think the Suns inquired about Cousins. The Kings have maintained lately they are going to keep him. A lot of things can still happen. If the Suns didn't inquire about Cousins I would be disappointed. It's what GMs do, explore the market and talk to other GMs.

 

[pokerface]

But on it's own that's a horrible reason to trade Bledsoe. I'm all for trading him and have been for several months but only if there is real value in return.

You can't get rid of a player like him solely to give you a better chance of getting a better pick so that you have a slightly better chance of making the right decision. You're giving up far too much that is concrete for such nebulous gains. And LA has even more reason than us to finish second, by far, and for them it's even more important than the player pool available at that point.

I've been all over the board giving numerous reasons why bled should go now..You don't remember?

 

[pokerface]

OK...

1) Bled has peaked value right now
2) A team trading for Bledsoe gets potentially three playoffs out of him instead of just two... which helps trade value. It's like getting an extra year.
3) Bleds contract is up in 2-1/2 years...He probably will want to go to a contender at that point.
4) Bled could bleed and break down because of his style of game...Then we get squat for him
5) Trading him now almost assures us a top 3 pick...Then we get our PG of the future.

 

[AzStevenCal]

OK...

1) Bled has peaked value right now
2) A team trading for Bledsoe gets potentially three playoffs out of him instead of just two... which helps trade value. It's like getting an extra year.
3) Bleds contract is up in 2-1/2 years...He probably will want to go to a contender at that point.
4) Bled could bleed and break down because of his style of game...Then we get squat for him
5) Trading him now almost assures us a top 3 pick...Then we get our PG of the future.

Those are all debatable, especially number 5. I'd agree it almost guarantees that we will finish with a bottom 3 record but that doesn't come anywhere close to assuring us it will be a top 3 pick.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I've been all over the board giving numerous reasons why bled should go now..You don't remember?

When you make a standalone post you'd prefer that we respond to it as if it's a collection of everything you've ever said in the past? That puts quite a burden on us, the readers, when it really should fall to you don't you think?

 

[pokerface]

When you make a standalone post you'd prefer that we respond to it as if it's a collection of everything you've ever said in the past? That puts quite a burden on us, the readers, when it really should fall to you don't you think?

I guess so...It's just there are a lot of reasons...This stuff gets complicated so I went with the "short and sweet" answer

 

[pokerface]

Those are all debatable, especially number 5. I'd agree it almost guarantees that we will finish with a bottom 3 record but that doesn't come anywhere close to assuring us it will be a top 3 pick.

True they are all debatable but very much in the realm of reality. And when you take the conglomeration as a whole I feel it's pretty compelling.

 

[AzStevenCal]

True they are all debatable but very much in the realm of reality. And when you take the conglomeration as a whole I feel it's pretty compelling.

I'm not so sure. I think I can counter with at least as many reasons to keep him. But I've been on the trade Eric bandwagon pretty much all season and for me it's solely due to his next contract. He's too good of a player to risk losing him for nothing (or pennies on the dollar) and I don't see his value rising as we approach his deadline. So search for a serious buyer and make the deal when you find one. But don't dump him.

 

[slinslin]

Trade Idea:
Tyson Chandler to Boston for Amir Johnson (or other contracts) and draft rights to Ante Zizic.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

That would be an ideal trade for the Suns, and seems reasonably fair. Ainge recently said that in spite of their rebounding issues, the Celtics are only looking for skilled bigs who can shoot, so not sure Chandler fits what they want, but this is the type of trade I think the Suns should be pursuing.

 

[sunsfan88]

I was reading an article this morning on ESPN about the possibility of the Pistons trading Drummond.... if there is any chance Detroit is considering this I hope we're exploring the idea. I would actually prefer him over Cousins and think he would be a great fit. Not to mention I'd imagine the price would be a little less. What do you guys think?

I used to like Drummond a lot but I've started noticing that he's really bad defensively.

He gets most of his rebounds because he doesn't even both contesting at the rim hoping that the opponent just misses so he can get the rebound.

He certainly has the physical tools to be a great defender but if SVG,who helped turn Dwight into a defensive star in ORL, couldn't help him develop his defensive game then I have my doubts about whether Earl Watson and the Suns coaching staff can.

 

[Mainstreet]

Did anyone read or hear this:

Then today in an interview on Arizona Sports 98.7’s Doug and Wolf Show as part of their annual Newsmakers Week, he added another nugget of interest for public consumption:

“We’re not going to throw the farm at one player. We’re not one elite player from being a Championship team. Now, if we can figure out how to get two elite players and keep…most of our core guys, then we have to think about that…

If we can get another couple guys to go with them (Eric Bledsoe and Devin Booker), who are as good or better than them, then we have to think about that and that’s something we’re actively weighing.”

It came from David Maynes of Fansided which is usually not a source I depend upon. However. if Ryan McDonough said this on Arizona Sports, what possibly can he be thinking about... two players as good as Bledsoe and Booker?

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/02/17/ryan-mcdonough-may-be-planning-something-big/

 

[AzStevenCal]

It came from David Maynes of Fansided which is usually not a source I depend upon. However. if Ryan McDonough said this on Arizona Sports, what possibly can he be thinking about... two players as good as Bledsoe and Booker?

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/02/17/ryan-mcdonough-may-be-planning-something-big/

I suspect he's talking about Drummond and George or maybe Drummond and Butler. I'm sure he'd prefer Cousins and George, I just don't know how you make that happen and still hang on to B&B.

 

[Mainstreet]

I suspect he's talking about Drummond and George or maybe Drummond and Butler. I'm sure he'd prefer Cousins and George, I just don't know how you make that happen and still hang on to B&B.

Wow. This would have to be a well orchestrated trade.

And here I am thinking the Suns would be thrilled about adding one star type player.

I was surprised McDonough made such a statement unless he had something in mind. Without giving up Bledsoe and Booker, I'm thinking the Suns would be having to include a number of draft picks as well other assets.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wow. This would have to be a well orchestrated trade.

And here I am thinking the Suns would be thrilled about adding one star type player.

I was surprised McDonough made such a statement unless he had something in mind. Without giving up Bledsoe and Booker, I'm thinking the Suns would be having to include a number of draft picks as well other assets.

Well, I would expect it to cost us Bender, Chriss, Tucker, 17 pick, 19 pick, both Miami picks and maybe more to buy two players of that level. We might be more likely to trade for one with the idea of signing the other as a free agent?

 

[GatorAZ]

You can't trade Bledsoe before the ping pong balls are drawn.