Trade talks & rumors

[AzStevenCal]

I would take either player if they have their head in the game. However, there is this on Cousins:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/2/7480917/demarcus-cousins-timberwolves-kings-give-up

Cousins is a much better player, Sanders is a much better fit with our current talent. Cousins is worth changing the roster for though. Unfortunately it would probably take a few years. And he would not be patient. And the world would know it. Every night.

BTW, I watched that game. I thought Cousins pretty much mailed it in all night.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Cousins is a much better player, Sanders is a much better fit with our current talent. Cousins is worth changing the roster for though. Unfortunately it would probably take a few years. And he would not be patient. And the world would know it. Every night.

BTW, I watched that game. I thought Cousins pretty much mailed it in all night.

Steve

I would take Cousins if I had the choice but I would settle for Sanders. Cousins is first rate talent. Maybe the right coach could get him to play up to his ability which is unlimited.

 

[Phrazbit]

It sounds like Michael Beasley except Sanders might be more worthy of the risk. If only the Suns could get something in return to lessen the gamble.

Ooooooo, I feel like you're trying to get me riled up.

I disagree with that comparison. Sanders has some talents that easily translate to team success and he shows a lot of hustle out there. Beasley was a lazy player who was genuinely horrible at every aspect of team basketball.

Sanders has a lot of previously mentioned red flags that make him a gamble, while Beasley, even if he had zero questions about his attitude and off court problems, was a terrible player regardless.

 

[sunsfan88]

We will never get Cousins, he has HOF potential I dont think SAC would trade him within the division.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

We will never get Cousins, he has HOF potential I dont think SAC would trade him within the division.

For the right offer they would. That team is going nowhere with him.

 

[hcsilla]

For the right offer they would.

And the Suns hardly can make such one.

 

[overseascardfan]

And the Suns hardly can make such one.

Actually a package of Len, Warren, Dragic or Bledsoe and 2 or 3 first rounders should be plenty but Cousins has too much of an attitude problem and PHX doesn't have enough veterans that could take him under their wing. Bringing him in could actually do more harm than good.

Larry Sanders is almost if not worse than Cousins in the attitude department, he was called out by one of his teammates last year (Gary Neal IIRC) saying he needed to actually earn his big contract extension instead of just being handed it. I also believe he has a history with pot.

Does anyone have any actual concrete speculation or scuttlebutt instead of hopes, dreams and opinions? This thread is getting off topic.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ooooooo, I feel like you're trying to get me riled up.

I disagree with that comparison. Sanders has some talents that easily translate to team success and he shows a lot of hustle out there. Beasley was a lazy player who was genuinely horrible at every aspect of team basketball.

Sanders has a lot of previously mentioned red flags that make him a gamble, while Beasley, even if he had zero questions about his attitude and off court problems, was a terrible player regardless.

I was just trying to find the baseline measurement on two players that have red flags since you are the resident expert on Beasley.



Sanders is a very tempting big man that is likely available. Too bad his salary makes the risk too great.

 

[Mainstreet]

Does anyone have any actual concrete speculation or scuttlebutt instead of hopes, dreams and opinions? This thread is getting off topic.

The answer for me is presently no. That's why we are talking about Sanders and Cousins.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Actually a package of Len, Warren, Dragic or Bledsoe and 2 or 3 first rounders should be plenty but Cousins has too much of an attitude problem and PHX doesn't have enough veterans that could take him under their wing. Bringing him in could actually do more harm than good.

Larry Sanders is almost if not worse than Cousins in the attitude department, he was called out by one of his teammates last year (Gary Neal IIRC) saying he needed to actually earn his big contract extension instead of just being handed it. I also believe he has a history with pot.

Does anyone have any actual concrete speculation or scuttlebutt instead of hopes, dreams and opinions? This thread is getting off topic.

Ahh. So you only wanted the stuff that was passed on by the professionals? I think most of the stuff you get from the Mark Stein's of the NBA world get made up by fans in the first place. There are a few front offices that leak information but we no longer seem to be among them. It's internet dreams or nothing IMO.

For example, if you want to hear the rumor about the Suns trading the twins to Philadelphia for the chance to draft Okafor in the 2015 draft then you need to get someone to post it on a message board first. And to make it credible, you need that same someone to mention the deal won't be consummated until the deadline to insure that Philly finishes with a bottom 3 record. Add to the rumor that Thomas will also be moved for an unprotected pick and then we can all speculate who we'll select with the 1, 4, 6 and 9 picks (where we finish without the twins and IT) in this draft.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Ahh. So you only wanted the stuff that was passed on by the professionals? I think most of the stuff you get from the Mark Stein's of the NBA world get made up by fans in the first place. There are a few front offices that leak information but we no longer seem to be among them. It's internet dreams or nothing IMO.

For example, if you want to hear the rumor about the Suns trading the twins to Philadelphia for the chance to draft Okafor in the 2015 draft then you need to get someone to post it on a message board first. And to make it credible, you need that same someone to mention the deal won't be consummated until the deadline to insure that Philly finishes with a bottom 3 record. Add to the rumor that Thomas will also be moved for an unprotected pick and then we can all speculate who we'll select with the 1, 4, 6 and 9 picks (where we finish without the twins and IT) in this draft.

Steve

So I heard a rumor from AzStevenCal that...

 

[AzStevenCal]

So I heard a rumor from AzStevenCal that...

Hey, I know that guy. He doesn't have any inside sources himself so I think it's clear he must have heard it from some other insider. Sounds like solid gold to me.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Hey, I know that guy. He doesn't have any inside sources himself so I think it's clear he must have heard it from some other insider. Sounds like solid gold to me.

Steve

The sad thing is, I haven't even heard any good rumors lately.

 

[overseascardfan]

The answer for me is presently no. That's why we are talking about Sanders and Cousins.

Ahh. So you only wanted the stuff that was passed on by the professionals? I think most of the stuff you get from the Mark Stein's of the NBA world get made up by fans in the first place. There are a few front offices that leak information but we no longer seem to be among them. It's internet dreams or nothing IMO.

For example, if you want to hear the rumor about the Suns trading the twins to Philadelphia for the chance to draft Okafor in the 2015 draft then you need to get someone to post it on a message board first. And to make it credible, you need that same someone to mention the deal won't be consummated until the deadline to insure that Philly finishes with a bottom 3 record. Add to the rumor that Thomas will also be moved for an unprotected pick and then we can all speculate who we'll select with the 1, 4, 6 and 9 picks (where we finish without the twins and IT) in this draft.

Steve

I was hoping there was a poster on this board that had an inside source like Cbus cardfan has an NFL scouting friend that feeds him info sometimes. Or maybe since there are people on this board from all over the country whose local media may have run something on their local news about speculation. I mean national guys like Marc Stein most likely get their information from team beat writers of local sports guys.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The sad thing is, I haven't even heard any good rumors lately.

I really don't think we've had any substantial rumors since McDonough took over. For the most part, we'll know when the world knows.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

I often wonder about these sources. I have an immediate family member that is a direct report to Michael Bidwill and I get nothing. Of course I don't ask either. Jobs like that are to valuable to risk just to look good on some message board.

 

[Mainstreet]

Interesting to note that the Suns have not waived Tony Mitchell because his salary slot might be useful in a trade. Add this with the Suns trading Tolliver indicates that McDonough must be looking to make a trade whenever the opportunity presents itself.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...till-scoring-after-playing-time-cut/21213007/

 

[devilalum]

Interesting to note that the Suns have not waived Tony Mitchell because his salary slot might be useful in a trade. Add this with the Suns trading Tolliver indicates that McDonough must be looking to make a trade whenever the opportunity presents itself.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...till-scoring-after-playing-time-cut/21213007/

He's been looking for a deal for a year and a half. Deadline just weeks away though so you never know.

 

[Mainstreet]

He's been looking for a deal for a year and a half. Deadline just weeks away though so you never know.

I think a significant trade will happen before the trade deadline. I just can't figure out who the Suns are after.

 

[devilalum]

I think a significant trade will happen before the trade deadline. I just can't figure out who the Suns are after.

Yeah, it seems like they've targeted somebody specific but it seems like half these deals fall apart at the last minute lately.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah, it seems like they've targeted somebody specific but it seems like half these deals fall apart at the last minute lately.

I think the Suns are willing to sweeten a trade with a draft pick(s) if they get the player they want. I think Paul Coro hinted the Suns might be willing to do this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He's been looking for a deal for a year and a half. Deadline just weeks away though so you never know.

More than a little unfair don't you think? When was McDonough hired and what did he inherit?

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

More than a little unfair don't you think? When was McDonough hired and what did he inherit?

Steve

As a leader, I don't buy that argument. What one inherits can only be a valid excuse for a short period of time. At some point, what you have is your responsibility. I think it's been long enough since McD took over to hold him accountable for the status of HIS team.

If I went to my boss and said, "Well, look at the team I inherited a year and a half ago", my boss would be very disappointed in me. He cleaned up Blanks' crap, drafted pretty well, acquired some decent contracts and more than likely cost us our best player leaving next summer due to how he handled Bledsoe and IT situations. It's time he is held accountable for his actions. Full year and a half is a longer honeymoon than any manager gets.

 

[AzStevenCal]

As a leader, I don't buy that argument. What one inherits can only be a valid excuse for a short period of time. At some point, what you have is your responsibility. I think it's been long enough since McD took over to hold him accountable for the status of HIS team.

If I went to my boss and said, "Well, look at the team I inherited a year and a half ago", my boss would be very disappointed in me. He cleaned up Blanks' crap, drafted pretty well, acquired some decent contracts and more than likely cost us our best player leaving next summer due to how he handled Bledsoe and IT situations. It's time he is held accountable for his actions. Full year and a half is a longer honeymoon than any manager gets.

None of this changes the calendar. It's absurd to call him out for not making a big trade 18 months ago given that he had just been hired and we had almost nothing to work with. That aside, ask around the league and I'm quite sure they'll tell you that the trade for Bledsoe WAS a big trade.

I think it's great that you've had the fortune to lead men and women but having spent most of my life in a leadership position I can tell you that people on the outside rarely have a clue of the true picture. I find it incredible that you and BC aren't just predicting bad things in the future for this franchise, you're already condemning this Front Office for things that haven't happened yet. I really hope that if this team ever meets your satisfaction that you guys will support them with a fraction of the zeal you've exhibited while tearing them down.

Steve

 

[AZBALLER]

Actually a package of Len, Warren, Dragic or Bledsoe and 2 or 3 first rounders should be plenty but Cousins has too much of an attitude problem and PHX doesn't have enough veterans that could take him under their wing. Bringing him in could actually do more harm than good.

I'm pretty sure Mark West knows how to teach big men how to play the game correctly...