USC/UCLA leaving Pac12 for Big10?

[SeattleCardinal]

These four might (initially) get less than USC and UCLA.

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[jbjarko]

This is laughable at this point.

 

[WiscoBird]

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He has a horrible poker face.

 

[SeattleCardinal]

We might remember this season as the year the Pac-12 died.

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[GatorAZ]

You clearly don't understand the definition of elite.

If you think U of A is in the same tier as the other NCAA bluebloods as a "top 13 program", that is somewhere beyond hilarious.

Elite is Duke/Kentucky/UCLA/North Carolina. If you think U of A is on the same level as those teams (ELITE), you know nothing about college basketball. Not even U of A homers here will push that argument.

UA is a top-13 program but I agree they’re aren’t currently “elite” as it pertains to the big guns. However with the way recruiting is picking back up post scandal it shouldn’t be long before they’re back in the top-7/8 range nationally.

 

[Raindog]

UA is a top-13 program but I agree they’re aren’t currently “elite” as it pertains to the big guns. However with the way recruiting is picking back up post scandal it shouldn’t be long before they’re back in the top-7/8 range nationally.

I think the way college sports is going with one and dones, G-League, NIL, and transfers, pretty soon nobody is really going to be dependably "elite." North Carolina went from runner-up to out of the tourney the following year with most of the same roster AND elite recruits. Kentucky has a massive recruiting haul every year and disappoints every year. And you can go on down the list.

The days when any single or group of programs dominate dependably are coming to a rapid close.

 

[Raindog]

We might remember this season as the year the Pac-12 died.

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Gads, he is such a clown.

 

[Folster]

It's over. I imagine reports are true about UofA, ASU, and Utah working in concert on an exit. I really hope SDSU is allowed to tag along to keep a CA recruiting link. That would allow Yormark to add UCONN as he seems to want to and make it an 18 school conference. The B1G seems to be headed to 18-20.

 

[Absolute Zero]

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[Absolute Zero]

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Wait, so the sky really isn't falling??

 

[Lefty]

It's over. I imagine reports are true about UofA, ASU, and Utah working in concert on an exit. I really hope SDSU is allowed to tag along to keep a CA recruiting link. That would allow Yormark to add UCONN as he seems to want to and make it an 18 school conference. The B1G seems to be headed to 18-20.

That's funny since you were against leaving. You did not think recruiting would be affected and did not care about streaming. What happened to the long distance traveling?

 

[Folster]

That's funny since you were against leaving. You did not think recruiting would be affected and did not care about streaming. What happened to the long distance traveling?

I'd prefer to stay in the PAC, provided the numbers were close. A move to the Big 12 would be softened with more PAC teams along for the ride. I think you are discounting the impact of losing a link to CA. UofA has historically pulled a lot of hoops recruits out of CA and the Pacific Northwest.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

At end of the day the Arizona schools have nobody to blame but themselves. Churning out mediocre to bad football programs for last 25 years certainly wasn’t helping any cause.

 

[SeattleCardinal]

Sigh. End of an era, end of a conference (most likely).

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[Mainstreet]

It looks like ASU and Arizona may be on their way looking at the agenda.

 

[Raindog]

At end of the day the Arizona schools have nobody to blame but themselves. Churning out mediocre to bad football programs for last 25 years certainly wasn’t helping any cause.

True enough. Since 2000, Oregon has been a power. Washington, although not what they were in the 1980s/1990s, has still maintained relevance. USC has been (mostly) one of the premier programs. Utah has been unexpectedly great, thanks to Whittingham. Even Cal and Stanford had runs of dominance.

I would argue that maybe only UCLA has underachieved as badly as ASU. And of course, Arizona has been mostly terrible with the exception of a few anomalous seasons. The Arizona schools haven't come close to pulling their weight since the turn of the millennium.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Probably a good thing.

Without the LA schools or starts to put AZ schools in an island.

I too would like to see someone like SDSU jump with them.

I'm not sure if future big 12 has an existing pair with the credibility of UW & Oregon, but I'm not sure if future Pac 12 has them either........

There is a basis for a pretty solid regional division that could be entertaining with ASU, UA, BYU, Utah, Colorado

I saw this on a different board and I don't think it looks terrible

Just too bad the PAC couldn't get their media right and be more aggressive to shore up and expand their conference earlier

Big 12 West

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas
KSU
Iowa State
BYU
Utah
Colorado

Big 12 East

Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
Houston
UCF
Texas Tech
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State

 

[jf-08]

It's crazy that the Big 12 basically out foxed the PAC. Wow.

 

[WiscoBird]

Probably a good thing.

Without the LA schools or starts to put AZ schools in an island.

I too would like to see someone like SDSU jump with them.

I'm not sure if future big 12 has an existing pair with the credibility of UW & Oregon, but I'm not sure if future Pac 12 has them either........

There is a basis for a pretty solid regional division that could be entertaining with ASU, UA, BYU, Utah, Colorado

I saw this on a different board and I don't think it looks terrible

Just too bad the PAC couldn't get their media right and be more aggressive to shore up and expand their conference earlier

Big 12 West

Arizona
Arizona State
Kansas
KSU
Iowa State
BYU
Utah
Colorado

Big 12 East

Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
Houston
UCF
Texas Tech
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State

We need a Texas school in our division if it happens. That would be horrible.

 

[Raindog]

You have to feel sorry for WSU and OSU. They are literally being left high and dry after a century of belonging to the conference.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

We need a Texas school in our division if it happens. That would be horrible.

Yeah, that was one item that stood out to me. Just not an obvious choice on how to break it apart.

I could see the TX schools not wanting to be separated. Houston could be good, but all schools will want exposure in Houston.

Could see maybe Texas Tech splitting off, but don't see them separating the Houston market and the greater Dallas market.

Baylor is relatively close to fort worth and not really far from Houston.

Not sure if Lubbock actually does anything for anyone though........

 

[jf-08]

Hearing Utah might be left at the altar and Oregon might slip in at the last moment.

 

[Folster]

Hearing Utah might be left at the altar and Oregon might slip in at the last moment.

Does Oregon sign the 99 year GOR? They just want a temp landing spot until the B1G comes calling.

 

[jf-08]

UConn pressing hard for seat 16 too, Utah slight favorite between the 3. Wazzu and Beavs want in but aren't getting any love.

 

[Folster]

We need a Texas school in our division if it happens. That would be horrible.

Tech and TCU make sense, but alternatively I could see a pod system.

West: ASU, BYU, UofA, Utah
Plains: CU, ISU, KSU, KU
South: Baylor, OSU, TCU, TT
East: UC, UCF, UH, WV

9 game schedule. You play everyone in your pod every year and then play two teams from the other pods every year. You have a home and away with every team not in your pod every 4 years.