Von Miller

[Duckjake]

*couch* Leonard Davis *cough*

You talking about the Leonard Davis who has been a starter in the NFL for TEN seasons?

Lectric Leland by contrast: Two seasons and had more fumbles than TDs.

http://blogs.chron.com/aggies/2009/08/hold_the_line_nfl_aggies_are_m.html

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/active-nfl.html

Horns win.

 

[Go Devils]

Have to wonder how the following "morons" awarded him the Butkus:

http://www.thebutkusaward.com/selectionlist.aspx

Gino Toretta also won the heisman

 

[Gee!]

You talking about the Leonard Davis who has been a starter in the NFL for TEN seasons?

Lectric Leland by contrast: Two seasons and had more fumbles than TDs.

http://blogs.chron.com/aggies/2009/08/hold_the_line_nfl_aggies_are_m.html

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/active-nfl.html

Horns win.

Im talking about the collossal first round(second overall) bust, Leonard false start Davis, that only got to the pro bowl because he was a dallas cowboy.. And he also has forever cursed the #75 for anyone else who ever wears it for the Cardinals again.. To this day you still hear "false start, #75" echoing during gameday at UofP Stadium...

Im not defending Leeland.. Im just saying..

 

[kerouac9]

You talking about the Leonard Davis who has been a starter in the NFL for TEN seasons?

Lectric Leland by contrast: Two seasons and had more fumbles than TDs.

http://blogs.chron.com/aggies/2009/08/hold_the_line_nfl_aggies_are_m.html

http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/active-nfl.html

Horns win.

It's pretty funny that people view Leonard Davis as a bust. Played well and consistently for us at three positions. Made the AP All Rookie team at RG. Was a two- or three-time Pro Bowl alternate when he was in the same conference as Walter Jones and Orlando Pace in their primes as an LT.

The false starts were frustrating for us as fans, and he was playing a position here where he was merely very good instead of great. But I'm not sure why Leonard Davis, who has been just as productive in his post-Cardinal career as Simeon Rice or Thomas Jones, is viewed as a "collossal bust."

But, then again, Gee is the captain of the revisionist historians who assert without evidence that every former Cardinal secretly hated being on the team and was happy to leave--to the point where they probably weren't trying their hardest when they had a bird on their helmet, or something.

 

[Duckjake]

Im talking about the colossal first round(second overall) bust, Leonard false start Davis, that only got to the pro bowl because he was a dallas cowboy.. And he also has forever cursed the #75 for anyone else who ever wears it for the Cardinals again.. To this day you still hear "false start, #75" echoing during gameday at UofP Stadium...

Im not defending Leeland.. Im just saying..

How can you be a colossal bust when you have started in the NFL for 10 years?

Now if you want to talk about a real colossal bust let's discuss Wendall Bryant.

To this day you can see Edward Jones Financial ads all over Phoenix.

 

[Gee!]

How can you be a colossal bust when you have started in the NFL for 10 years?

Now if you want to talk about a real colossal bust let's discuss Wendall Bryant.

To this day you can see Edward Jones Financial ads all over Phoenix.

I view Leonard Davis as a bust for being the second over all pick and totally sucking.. Just thinking about his play to this day still pisses me off..

 

[Gee!]

But, then again, Gee is the captain of the revisionist historians who assert without evidence that every former Cardinal secretly hated being on the team and was happy to leave--to the point where they probably weren't trying their hardest when they had a bird on their helmet, or something.

I never said anything about Leonard Davis hated being on the Cards.. Ive said it about one former player.. So according to you because I said it about one player, then I must veiw them all that way.. Thats some solid critical thinking skills you got there..

 

[kerouac9]

I never said anything about Leonard Davis hated being on the Cards.. Ive said it about one former player.. So according to you because I said it about one player, then I must veiw them all that way.. Thats some solid critical thinking skills you got there..

You're accusing a player who was an AP All-Rookie and two-time Pro Bowl alternate while playing on bad teams of "totally sucking" during his entire career with the Cards, and I have bad critical thinking skills?

Seek help, Gee.

 

[Duckjake]

I view Leonard Davis as a bust for being the second over all pick and totally sucking.. Just thinking about his play to this day still pisses me off..

Not me. I like to look at the positive things guys did while they were playing for the Cards (unless they're aggies) like when BIG flipped that Bears DB backwards with one hand while blocking a Dlineman. Wish I had a video of that one.

Can never get too down on any one player since the Cards were always 5-11 with 'em and 5-11 without 'em.

 

[Gee!]

You're accusing a player who was an AP All-Rookie and two-time Pro Bowl alternate while playing on bad teams of "totally sucking" during his entire career with the Cards, and I have bad critical thinking skills?

Seek help, Gee.

For being the #2 overall pick and how his career played out after that, yup, I think he sucks.. Sure, alot of my opinion about him was my expectations, the way he was touted and what he said were his goals when we drafted him.. But none of that ever came true.. When some one says Leonard Davis, the first thing that pops in my head is "false start,#75".. And I really dont give a crap about his 2 pro bowls.. He got those solely for being a Cowboy nothing else..

 

[Zeno]

For being the #2 overall pick and how his career played out after that, yup, I think he sucks.. Sure, alot of my opinion about him was my expectations, the way he was touted and what he said were his goals when we drafted him.. But none of that ever came true.. When some one says Leonard Davis, the first thing that pops in my head is "false start,#75".. And I really dont give a crap about his 2 pro bowls.. He got those solely for being a Cowboy nothing else..

If Leonard Davis was still a Cardinal he'd be our best OT right now and he hasn't played OT since he left.

 

[Gee!]

Not me. I like to look at the positive things guys did while they were playing for the Cards (unless they're aggies) like when BIG flipped that Bears DB backwards with one hand while blocking a Dlineman. Wish I had a video of that one.

Can never get too down on any one player since the Cards were always 5-11 with 'em and 5-11 without 'em.

Wait a minute here buddy..

Leonard Davis' last season with the Cards was 2006.. Once he left the Cardinals went 8-8 in 2007, 9-7 in 2008 and 10-6 in 2009.. It took till the fourth year after he left to finally get back to 5-11 in 2010.. Looks like we made a dramtic improvement after Leonard left..

 

[Gee!]

If Leonard Davis was still a Cardinal he'd be our best OT right now and he hasn't played OT since he left.

Ya well.. dammit.. Thanks for making me feel all warm and fuzzy about our current oline.. haha

 

[Duckjake]

Wait a minute here buddy..

Leonard Davis' last season with the Cards was 2006.. Once he left the Cardinals went 8-8 in 2007, 9-7 in 2008 and 10-6 in 2009.. It took till the fourth year after he left to finally get back to 5-11 in 2010.. Looks like we made a dramtic improvement after Leonard left..

The Cards were 3-13 in 2000. The Cards drafted LD in 2001 and finished 7-9. BIG was worth 4 wins as a rookie! Boldin couldn't do that. Fitz couldn't do that. Warner, you guessed it, 5-11 his first season in Arizona actually losing one more game than the year before.

LD goes to Dallas and they go 13-3 his first year. They were 9-7 the year before. ANOTHER 4 win improvement. The guy is just awesome.

 

[kerouac9]

For being the #2 overall pick and how his career played out after that, yup, I think he sucks.. Sure, alot of my opinion about him was my expectations, the way he was touted and what he said were his goals when we drafted him.. But none of that ever came true.. When some one says Leonard Davis, the first thing that pops in my head is "false start,#75".. And I really dont give a crap about his 2 pro bowls.. He got those solely for being a Cowboy nothing else..

He was a two time Pro Bowl alternate for the Cards when he was playing OLT. Do you think that he was getting those votes from the public because the Cards are a public team? Give me a break.

He didn't go to the Pro Bowl with us because he was competing with Walter Jones and Orlando Pace in their primes.

If Leonard Davis was still a Cardinal he'd be our best OT right now and he hasn't played OT since he left.

I'd go so far as to say that Leonard Davis's worst season as a Cardinal was superior to the best season of any Cardinals offensive lineman since he left. And I say this as a stout defender of Deuce Lutui.

 

[Gee!]

The Cards were 3-13 in 2000. The Cards drafted LD in 2001 and finished 7-9. BIG was worth 4 wins as a rookie! Boldin couldn't do that. Fitz couldn't do that. Warner, you guessed it, 5-11 his first season in Arizona actually losing one more game than the year before.

LD goes to Dallas and they go 13-3 his first year. They were 9-7 the year before. ANOTHER 4 win improvement. The guy is just awesome.

Something aint right with these numbers.. Im watching you buddy.. Im watching you..

 

[Gee!]

He was a two time Pro Bowl alternate for the Cards when he was playing OLT. Do you think that he was getting those votes from the public because the Cards are a public team? Give me a break.

He didn't go to the Pro Bowl with us because he was competing with Walter Jones and Orlando Pace in their primes.

I'd go so far as to say that Leonard Davis's worst season as a Cardinal was superior to the best season of any Cardinals offensive lineman since he left. And I say this as a stout defender of Deuce Lutui.

Nothing you say is gonna change my mind that Leonard Davis sucked.. You can keep trying though..

 

[john h]

Screw that. I do not want another losing season and if we are bad enough for the #1 overall pick it would kill me and this franchise would be back to "Same Old Cardinals"--heck Luck could stay in school again too (he has 2 more years of eligibility left).

I can see no sense in taking a WR #1 (or rounds 2 or 3 for that matter) when we have so many issues on defense and no QB.

I have read that WR is one of the more easy talents to find.

 

[Go Devils]

I have read that WR is one of the more easy talents to find.

If thats the case why is everyone crapping the bed about Fitz leaving? There is a diference between talent and "elite" talent. If you want another skillet hands johnson the so be it?

 

[Zeno]

If thats the case why is everyone crapping the bed about Fitz leaving? There is a diference between talent and "elite" talent. If you want another skillet hands johnson the so be it?

Johnson was a first rounder BTW...so bringing him up doesn't make any argument stronger.

 

[Go Devils]

Johnson was a first rounder BTW...so bringing him up doesn't make any argument stronger.

No Suggs was a 1st rounder that was passed up on that yr so they could reach for Skillet & Pace a couple of 3rd rounders at best. which is the intent of my original post of taking the BPA not a reach at a need position.

 

[Duckjake]

I have read that WR is one of the more easy talents to find.

It is. Why else would the Cardinals fail at every other position except WR where they have traditionally drafted or traded for good talent?

Even their worst first round WR was good, setting the franchise record for single season yardage. With Jake Plummer throwing to him.

 

[Zeno]

No Suggs was a 1st rounder that was passed up on that yr so they could reach for Skillet & Pace a couple of 3rd rounders at best. which is the intent of my original post of taking the BPA not a reach at a need position.

Not true, both were rated as 1st rounders, Johnson was rumored to be the target of KC who picked a couple behind us. Pace was rated a low 1st rounder as well....the trade down was terrible but the most important thing is scouting not based on where they are ranked on Kiper, McShay etc board.

There have been quite a few bust first round WR's in the past 10 years and just as many good finds later in the draft.

Look at 2001
Pick 8 - Chicago Bears - David Terrell

Pick 9 - Seattle Seahawks - Koren Robinson

Pick 15 - Washington Redskins - Rod Gardner

Pick 16 - New York Jets - Santana Moss

Pick 25 - Philadelphia Eagles - Freddie Mitchell

Pick 25 - Indianapolis Colts - Reggie Wayne

More misses than hits there.

2002

Pick 13 - New Orleans Saints - Donte' Stallworth

Pick 19 - Denver Broncos - Ashley Lelie

Pick 20 - Green Bay Packers - Javon Walker

Stallworth is the only one of note and he isn't a #1

2003

Pick 2 - Detroit Lions - Charles Rogers

Pick 3 - Houston Texans - Andre Johnson

Pick 17 - Arizona Cardinals - Bryant Johnson

Andre Johnson and that is it.

2004

Pick 3 - Arizona Cardinals - Larry Fitzgerald

Pick 7 - Detroit Lions - Roy Williams

Pick 9 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Reggie Williams

Pick 13 - Buffalo Bills - Lee Evans

Pick 15 - Tampa Bay Buccaneeers - Michael Clayton

Pick 29 - Atlanta Falcons - Michael Jenkins

Pick 31 - San Francisco 49ers - Rashaun Woods

Fitz is clearly the best. Evans is OK. Jenkins has never topped 53 receptions in a season and Clayton hasn't been anything special since his rookie year.

People just need to hold off on the Green & Jones are "can't miss" elite prospects...Terrell, Robinson, Gardner & Rogers were all can't miss too.

 

[Duckjake]

Meanwhile the Cards could blindly throw darts at a board of WRs and draft a winner.

 

[Buckybird]

Meanwhile the Cards could blindly throw darts at a board of WRs and draft a winner.

Now if we could just find a QB to throw accurate darts