Warner

[moklerman]

You can by looking at the record. He is DONE. Find a new hero.

I will if you apply the same logic to the team that you root for.

As a backup, he was great. How has he faired as a starter? Answer please. I'm dying to relive losses.

This year? He got hurt in his first start, I thought he played well enough vs. Washington and he had a poor game against Tampa Bay. I haven't seen anything to show that he's done as a starter. No qb does well when he's being clobbered. Or maybe Manning should hang 'em up after fumbling the game away today? I'll never argue that Warner can carry a team on his shoulders but he's a helluva qb still and can excel when he has help. With his injury the rest of the position players were supposed to step it up, remember? How many drops and fumbles have the wr's/rb's had the last 2 weeks? It's not like the rest of the offense is playing well and Warner is holding them back.

 

[FightOnCards]

One thing that would help some is to get the O-line back into the shape it was the first 3 games of the season, get some chemistry going, get Levi back in as a starter, get some blocking in there so Edge has a chance to run, give the QB some protection and take some pressure off.

One thing that made Leinart look so bad is he was throwing all the dinks and dunks and Kurt was making the long balls. Well, Kurt can't throw the dinks and dunks, and now he isn't even hitting with the long balls.

 

[dogpoo32]

I will if you apply the same logic to the team that you root for.
This year? He got hurt in his first start, I thought he played well enough vs. Washington and he had a poor game against Tampa Bay. I haven't seen anything to show that he's done as a starter. No qb does well when he's being clobbered. Or maybe Manning should hang 'em up after fumbling the game away today? I'll never argue that Warner can carry a team on his shoulders but he's a helluva qb still and can excel when he has help. With his injury the rest of the position players were supposed to step it up, remember? How many drops and fumbles have the wr's/rb's had the last 2 weeks? It's not like the rest of the offense is playing well and Warner is holding them back.

I am not excusing anything that the team has done. I just do not trust Kurt as a starter. He has not shown that he can win games. The drops were the recievers' faults. Kurt missed on many passes throwing high or throwing to the defense. The third quarter play where he threw short to Q, Pope was open behind. Kurt chose not to throw it there, because 8 yards and no 1st down seem to be better than 15 yards and a first. Kurt was the only one who turned the ball over this week. As far as being clobbered... if he could move, it wouldn't be so bad. Double clutching on throws doesn't help either. Kurt is great at diggin a hole. Unfortunately he is not so good at climbing out. I don't blame him for the loss today. It's on the coaches. He is responsible for his play which was bad.

 

[slanidrac16]

So, when he plays lights out, it was luck and when he plays poorly it's all his fault? That's a tough nut to crack.

If a pitcher strikes out the sides and then the next inning theres an error, a walk and then back to back home runs
, does it really matter that he struck out the side last inning?
Bottom line is that his bad out weighs the good and in todays NFL when 1 or 2 plays is the difference between winning and losing, it's simply unacceptable.

The Redskin game is a perfect example. One pick for 6, one pick returned to our 25 and 1 fumble in the red zone. That resulted inat LEAST 17 points and we lost by 2. What else needs to be said?

 

[moklerman]

He has not shown that he can win games.

I don't agree with that. Last week, there were at least 4 plays that should have been positive plays/first downs that were called back, dropped, etc. The offense was constantly put in long positions and taken out of rhythm by players other than Warner. Most, if not all of Warner's intercpetions this year (until today)have come after a positive play was called back or wasn't executed.

I thought he moved around quite well last week vs. Washington, expecially on the two td plays. He isn't a runner but he isn't a Drew Bledsoe either. I want to know why Urban has become the 3rd receiver, getting favorable matchups. What happened to Bryant?

 

[moklerman]

What else needs to be said?

That he was playing with torn ligaments and had the Card's in a position to win? Frankly, at this point I think any positive plays or scoring done in this offensive scheme is practically amazing.

 

[slanidrac16]

That he was playing with torn ligaments and had the Card's in a position to win? Frankly, at this point I think any positive plays or scoring done in this offensive scheme is practically amazing.

I respect your opinion and will cordially disagree.

 

[dogpoo32]

That he was playing with torn ligaments and had the Card's in a position to win? Frankly, at this point I think any positive plays or scoring done in this offensive scheme is practically amazing.

Today? He put the Cards in a position to win today? Did you watch? I agree that the offense is a problem. My problem with Kurt is that he throws picks and fumbles. Pope was responsible for his first pick, but not the second. If his ligaments are a problem, he should be sitting. Don't make that excuse.

 

[moklerman]

Today? He put the Cards in a position to win today? Did you watch?

uhh, against Washington. I already said he played poorly today...along with just about everyone else on offense and on the coaching staff.

The Pope play is a perfect example of how the offense is completely out of sync. The question is, why? I don't think any of these players actually likes the offensive scheme.

 

[moklerman]

Don't make that excuse.

It's not an excuse for his poor play but it is a reason to not expect his passes to be as good as usual. The pass late in the game that was intercepted seemed like it was all on Warner, although I think everyone would agree that it wasn't actually an interception. The other 3 interceptions the last two games are questionable to me as to who was at fault. I'm leary of how much confusion there seems to be between the qb, receivers and coaches.

 

[Assface]

uhh, against Washington. I already said he played poorly today...along with just about everyone else on offense and on the coaching staff.

The Pope play is a perfect example of how the offense is completely out of sync. The question is, why? I don't think any of these players actually likes the offensive scheme.

Did Warner not like the offensive scheme anymore in St Louis when he got benched before they let him go? You're so desperate to blame the problems on everyone around Warner and not give him any blame. He's not a full time starter anymore. I'm sorry but he just isn't.

 

[dogpoo32]

uhh, against Washington. I already said he played poorly today...along with just about everyone else on offense and on the coaching staff.

The Pope play is a perfect example of how the offense is completely out of sync. The question is, why? I don't think any of these players actually likes the offensive scheme.

He had 3 turnovers. Playing a 0 TD 0 TO game would have put us in position to win. A winning team doesn't have to constantly come from behind to win. Rattay threw the TD to get it close. Playcalling sucked, then Rackers made the onside kick. Warner moved us close enough for a kick. I don't blame him for that loss or this loss. If he was who you thought he was we would have won. That's it.

 

[Pariah]

I don't have the intestinal fortitude to read this thread. So, I'm probably repeating a bunch of points already made. Please forgive.

Warner isn't a very good full-time starter at this point in his career. He certainly stunk it up at times today, but in his defense he certainly didn't get a lot of help, either.

I wish we had a better option, or at least an "option of the future" to go to. But, we don't. Rattay isn't going to fare any better than Warner.

Warner needs to stay in there until he breaks again.

JMHO.

 

[dogpoo32]

It's not an excuse for his poor play but it is a reason to not expect his passes to be as good as usual. The pass late in the game that was intercepted seemed like it was all on Warner, although I think everyone would agree that it wasn't actually an interception. The other 3 interceptions the last two games are questionable to me as to who was at fault. I'm leary of how much confusion there seems to be between the qb, receivers and coaches.

There is obviously a problem with the system. And I have become a broken record. The thing is, Kurt has some accountability in the poor outcomes. Leinart was bashed for not producing, but he did not turn it over like KW does. The problem is systemic, but that is not the point of this discussion. The point of this discussion is that Kurt Warner is a serviceable to good backup quarterback. He was great in his time, but his time has clearly passed. I cheer for him with all of my being. I hope he proves me wrong. I hope he gets us where we want to be. I am just emotionally tapped.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

The entire league figured out Kurt Warner years ago. This should come as no surprise.

 

[moklerman]

Did Warner not like the offensive scheme anymore in St Louis when he got benched before they let him go?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. My point was that all of the players on offense look like they are playing under their potential. Boldin, Fitz, Edge, Bryant, Leinart and Warner all look worse than they did last year. Okay, Edge has had a few moments this year but overall, the offense has looked like crap. Individually and collectively.

You're so desperate to blame the problems on everyone around Warner and not give him any blame.

I'm not desperate for anything and I don't think you'll find that I've dismissed his fumbles or bad plays. I'm just trying to point out that in many cases, it isn't a case of Warner simply making a bad play as much as it's a combination of things. Warner has been part of the problem for sure, but the offense has been a bigger problem. He hasn't been perfect by any means but the offense has been in so many long situations, predictably passing downs that it's very understandable, to me, to see why Warner hasn't been playing flawlessly.

Playing a 0 TD 0 TO game would have put us in position to win.

He did have 2 TD's. Without those the team wouldn't have been in a position to win either.

 

[dogpoo32]

He did have 2 TD's. Without those the team wouldn't have been in a position to win either.

He threw a pick for TD to the other team, and another that put them in our territory. He also fumbled when we were in scoring range. Without his mistakes, we wouldn't have been in a position to lose! We dominated every area of the game except points.

 

[moklerman]

Without his mistakes, we wouldn't have been in a position to lose! We dominated every area of the game except points.

So, you're sure that Washington would have definitely not put up 3 points the entire rest of the game? That's all it would take if Warner had a 0/0 game.

Can you tell me for sure that Boldin didn't run the wrong route on those 2 interceptions?

 

[dogpoo32]

So, you're sure that Washington would have definitely not put up 3 points the entire rest of the game? That's all it would take if Warner had a 0/0 game.

Can you tell me for sure that Boldin didn't run the wrong route on those 2 interceptions?

Look at the stats. Washington had an awful game. Kurt was responsible for the turnovers. If it was the wrong route, it was the wrong route... bad Q. If Kurt could play a game where he didn't turn it over, then I would be more apt to relieve him of any wrong doing. Once again, the running game can work if the passing game isn't turning it over. Being down big means more passing, means more turnovers for Kurt.

 

[Assface]

So, you're sure that Washington would have definitely not put up 3 points the entire rest of the game? That's all it would take if Warner had a 0/0 game.

Can you tell me for sure that Boldin didn't run the wrong route on those 2 interceptions?

lol. Warner certainly couldn't have thrown those interceptions on his own. Besides those 13, 18 and 22 interceptions he threw as a full time starter in St Louis he's hardly ever had any turnovers before coming to this dreadful team. OMG, our team has ruined a once perfect QB! Nooooo!

 

[dogpoo32]

lol. Warner certainly couldn't have thrown those interceptions on his own. Besides those 13, 18 and 22 interceptions he threw as a full time starter in St Louis he's hardly ever had any turnovers before coming to this dreadful team. OMG, our team has ruined a once perfect QB! Nooooo!

We tend to do that. See Boomer Esiason. Also, .