Warriors very active in pursuit of Amare

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

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[arwillan]

I know we already have two players at the 3 position, but the only player that I would absolutely want from GSW if we were to trade w/ them is S.Jack.

Jackson is old and his contract has 5 years left, which means he'd be getting more than 10 million a year through the year he turns 35. no thanks.

 

[arwillan]

Golden State isnt going to trade their two best players and a #1 for Amare and Barbosa.

They'd be getting amare, who is the best player in the deal by a pretty good margin. So far this year, Barbosa is playing just as well as, if not better than, Ellis. It's still a bit unclear how badly that injury will affect him in the long-term. Maybe take the first rounder out and it'd be a better deal. Either way it's still pretty fair.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

They'd be getting amare, who is the best player in the deal by a pretty good margin. So far this year, Barbosa is playing just as well as, if not better than, Ellis. It's still a bit unclear how badly that injury will affect him in the long-term. Maybe take the first rounder out and it'd be a better deal. Either way it's still pretty fair.

They also could easily lose Amare after 1 season, so why mortgage your future when you dont even know if the guy you are acquiring would stick around. Teams dont give up their 2 best players for a player who can opt out a year later.

Golden State with Azubuike, Maggette, Jackson, and Barbosa, and a bunch of young guys who Don Nelson never plays isnt exactly a solid location when half the NBA is going to have the ability to offer Amare a max deal.

 

[cly2tw]

Barnes blew so many defensive assignment or missing rotation, it's not funny!

 

[dodie53]

The trade that I would consider is

Amare/Barbosa/Tucker for Ellis/Biedrins/Randolph/2010 #1

i think this is fair.

 

[arwillan]

They also could easily lose Amare after 1 season, so why mortgage your future when you dont even know if the guy you are acquiring would stick around. Teams dont give up their 2 best players for a player who can opt out a year later.

Golden State with Azubuike, Maggette, Jackson, and Barbosa, and a bunch of young guys who Don Nelson never plays isnt exactly a solid location when half the NBA is going to have the ability to offer Amare a max deal.

what makes you so sure amare would leave? Golden State is the perfect fit for him. He would be the best player on their team, and he'd be playing the kind of tempo he's best at. I can't think of any team amare would want to play for that would offer him a max deal. He isn't worth it, that's been proven.

 

[Covert Rain]

what makes you so sure amare would leave? Golden State is the perfect fit for him. He would be the best player on their team, and he'd be playing the kind of tempo he's best at. I can't think of any team amare would want to play for that would offer him a max deal. He isn't worth it, that's been proven.

Agreed. Golden State would treat him like he is "the man". That's what he wants. I bet he would stay.

 

[HooverDam]

If Steve Kerr trades Amare within the division to a team with Monta Ellis and Don Nelson as the head coach where he'd be a perfect fit, he's even dumber than we all thought.

I'm various nervous that Kerr is going to get bent over the table in any deal he does, his track record worries me.

 

[mojorizen7]

Besides Turief i don't want any of their guys if we're giving up our PF....and Turief ain't nearly enough.
Interesting, i would've figured that a deal with G.S. would've involved Nash up until a few days ago before he was declared untouchable.
Do we really need more tweener smallish scorers on this team?
Hell even if Al Harrington was still there i wouldn't be interested in his services either.
A big man that doesn't play big.....

 

[Mr. Boldin]

what makes you so sure amare would leave? Golden State is the perfect fit for him. He would be the best player on their team, and he'd be playing the kind of tempo he's best at. I can't think of any team amare would want to play for that would offer him a max deal. He isn't worth it, that's been proven.

It doesnt matter if Amare is worth it, which he is at the very least close to being worth it. Half the NBA has enough cap room to offer a max contract. Do you really think Amare wont opt out in 2010 and see what kind of offers he can get? Maybe he does resign with the Warriors, but he WILL test the market and any team that thinks there is a good possibility of Amare leaving isnt going to give up a good pacakge for Amare, especially one that sends out their best two players.

Im not saying GS isnt a possible destination, but there is no way the Warriors trade Ellis, Biedrins, and a #1 to get Amare, when he can easily walk in a summer and screw their longterm plans up.

 

[AceP]

It doesnt matter if Amare is worth it, which he is at the very least close to being worth it. Half the NBA has enough cap room to offer a max contract. Do you really think Amare wont opt out in 2010 and see what kind of offers he can get? Maybe he does resign with the Warriors, but he WILL test the market and any team that thinks there is a good possibility of Amare leaving isnt going to give up a good pacakge for Amare, especially one that sends out their best two players.

Im not saying GS isnt a possible destination, but there is no way the Warriors trade Ellis, Biedrins, and a #1 to get Amare, when he can easily walk in a summer and screw their longterm plans up.

Excuse me? There is no way we are going to take Monta Ellis and his horrible contract, while we have J.Rich and Barbosa on board. For the same reason, we have absolutely no interest on Azubuike, Maggette, etc.

Turiaf is a tremendous shot blocker, but his rebound rate is terrible, his defence at PF is also questionable. His contract is also very long. If we are going to take back a role player PF, Drew Gooden is a better choice with expiring contract.

Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph might have some upside to think about. But are they better than Tyrus Thomas or Noah?

 

[elindholm]

It doesnt matter if Amare is worth it, which he is at the very least close to being worth it. Half the NBA has enough cap room to offer a max contract. Do you really think Amare wont opt out in 2010 and see what kind of offers he can get?

If he's happy with his new team and they're happy with him, he could agree to an extension, which would pay him more than he could get by defecting in 2010. Heck, even the Suns could probably extend Stoudemire this summer if they wanted to. My guess is that money is the main issue for him.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Excuse me? There is no way we are going to take Monta Ellis and his horrible contract, while we have J.Rich and Barbosa on board. For the same reason, we have absolutely no interest on Azubuike, Maggette, etc.

Turiaf is a tremendous shot blocker, but his rebound rate is terrible, his defence at PF is also questionable. His contract is also very long. If we are going to take back a role player PF, Drew Gooden is a better choice with expiring contract.

Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph might have some upside to think about. But are they better than Tyrus Thomas or Noah?

Monta Eliis and his horrible contract? Ellis is getting paid $11 mil per year for the next 5 years, that is far from a horrible contract for a guy that put up 20, 5 and 4 and is playing on a team that he doesnt want to play for and doesnt want him anymore.

I agree Gooden is the better player to take, but only because of his expiring contract. However, there is a reason why the Bulls and their fans cant wait to get rid of Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

I think Thomas and Noah is the better package, but Randolph could be a very good player just like THomas can be. Id take Tryus over all of them right now.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

If he's happy with his new team and they're happy with him, he could agree to an extension, which would pay him more than he could get by defecting in 2010. Heck, even the Suns could probably extend Stoudemire this summer if they wanted to. My guess is that money is the main issue for him.

Yeah if he is happy, the problem is he isnt goin to sign an extension this summer even if he is traded. So that means Amare would have to sign an extension by the end of October and I dont see that happening.

 

[Andrew]

If they do this, which I doubt, it will make Kerr look like a complete idiot. Amare would be averaging like 30/10 in Nelson's system.

 

[Hat]

If Steve Kerr trades Amare within the division to a team with Monta Ellis and Don Nelson as the head coach where he'd be a perfect fit, he's even dumber than we all thought.

I'm various nervous that Kerr is going to get bent over the table in any deal he does, his track record worries me.

It's not really in Kerr's hands when he has Mr. Pennypincher as his boss, riding his coat-tails to dump salary all the time.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

G&A saying Biedrins/Turiaf/Randolph the closest trade so far to getting the trigger pulled, but another trade would have to happen too.

Also saying "the truth" is very unlikely that Amare stays

 

[arwillan]

Monta Eliis and his horrible contract? Ellis is getting paid $11 mil per year for the next 5 years, that is far from a horrible contract for a guy that put up 20, 5 and 4 and is playing on a team that he doesnt want to play for and doesnt want him anymore.

I agree Gooden is the better player to take, but only because of his expiring contract. However, there is a reason why the Bulls and their fans cant wait to get rid of Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

I think Thomas and Noah is the better package, but Randolph could be a very good player just like THomas can be. Id take Tryus over all of them right now.

since when does ellis put up 20, 5, and 4? He doesn't average 20 points a game, and only did it once year (last year). His points per game are down 8 since then. that's nearly half lost in one year. That is a bad contract for a player regressing that much from an injury. Nobody from Golden State has ever said they don't want him, and Monta has never said he doesn't want to be there. He may be a bit unhappy that they are reserving the right to end his contract if he doesn't return to form, but nothing has been said about being unwanted.

Tyrus Thomas and Noah suck. Thomas is athletic, but nothing else, really. Noah has been a huge disappointment. Certainly not the Anderson Varejao kind of guy Chicago hoped for. No thank you. Give me Ellis and/or Biedrins any day.

 

[arwillan]

If they do this, which I doubt, it will make Kerr look like a complete idiot. Amare would be averaging like 30/10 in Nelson's system.

so Kerr would look like an idiot for what? Putting amare in a better situation for him? so what? that doesn't make him an idiot. If anything, he looks like an idiot now for pairing shaq with amare and bringing in porter. it's not amare's fault he's an uptempo kind of player in the wrong system with a center who interferes with his game a lot. He could have a better attitude, sure. But either way, if Kerr gets Ellis and Biedrins for Amare, he won't look like an idiot at all.

 

[Covert Rain]

it's not amare's fault he's an uptempo kind of player in the wrong system with a center who interferes with his game a lot.

Come on arwillan. Even with Shaq, offense is not Amare's problem. It's his rebounding and defense. They have been issues his entire career. That is Amare's problem and Shaq doesn't intefere with Amare's defense. If anything Shaq covers up for it.

 

[Andrew]

Amare SHOULD want to evolve to co-exist with Shaq, for the sake of winning...

 

[AceP]

Instead of arguing with anti-Shaq Amare fans, I wish Kerr take the offer of Josh Howard + Stackhouse A.S.A. Damn P.

 

[Covert Rain]

Instead of arguing with anti-Shaq Amare fans, I wish Kerr take the offer of Josh Howard + Stackhouse A.S.A. Damn P.

Why would you want one small forward and a washed up forward in Stackhouse? That's one of the worst trades I have seen yet.

Who would play Power Forward? What would you do with Grant Hill and Barnes? The SF position would be a pile up.

No thanks.

 

[arwillan]

Come on arwillan. Even with Shaq, offense is not Amare's problem. It's his rebounding and defense. They have been issues his entire career. That is Amare's problem and Shaq doesn't intefere with Amare's defense. If anything Shaq covers up for it.

Well of course, i know that. I was just saying that amare's offensive game has been impacted by shaq, and it has. Andrew was saying amare would be better offensively in Golden State, which is true because Amare's game is obviously much better suited for that style than it is for the one that's going on in phoenix.