What one player would you add?

[slinslin]

Horford's best single season he averaged 17/10/3/1/1 per 36min and a PER of 19.8

Markieff best single season he averaged 18.6/8.1/2.4/1/1 per 36min and a PER of 18.4

Horford was 26, Markieff 24

So I think that proves my point. Horford when he plays is marginally better than Markieff but Markieff should catch.

And the main thing is that Horford is not even a Power Forward. Basically he played center his entire career and has not really shown the range to be a PF offensively and I am not sure if he has the quickness defensively to defend the 4.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Uh... have you looked at Horford's shooting stats?

Here's a couple quick links:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima02.html

For the record, Horford has shot better percentages almost entirely across the board for his CAREER than Kieff's best season. This includes the 16 - <3pt range territory (which btw, accounts for a larger percentage of Horfords FGA than Kieff).

He definitely has the range to play the 4.

 

[Errntknght]

Heck, it would be a big plus for us that Horford plays center better than he does PF. His age isn't all bad as he'd take the pressure off Plumlee and Len, and if they did develope as we hope they will they'd be ready to step in when he retired or slowly phased out. I think he'd be a good role model for them, too.

 

[Covert Rain]

Heck, it would be a big plus for us that Horford plays center better than he does PF. His age isn't all bad as he'd take the pressure off Plumlee and Len, and if they did develope as we hope they will they'd be ready to step in when he retired or slowly phased out. I think he'd be a good role model for them, too.

Exactly. Why not bring him in at Center? That is a harder hole to fill IMO and we need one.

 

[slinslin]

Uh... have you looked at Horford's shooting stats?

Here's a couple quick links:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima02.html

For the record, Horford has shot better percentages almost entirely across the board for his CAREER than Kieff's best season. This includes the 16 - <3pt range territory (which btw, accounts for a larger percentage of Horfords FGA than Kieff).

He definitely has the range to play the 4.

uh have you looked at the stats you posted?

In his best season Horford shot 42.3% from 16-3s and 44.6% from 10-16ft. Markieff shot 42.9% from 16-3s and 47.8% from 10-16ft.
Also Horford from the 10-16ft has generally been between 42-45% aside from 1 outlier season and a 29 game stretch, considerably less than Markieff at nearly 48% last year.

Markieff can shoot the 3 (20% of his fg attempts), Horford can't (0.5% of his fg attempts).

 

[Phrazbit]

That is some bizarre cherry picking to say a guy had his "best" season shooting 42.3 from 16-3 and 44.6% from 10-16 when his CAREER marks from those ranges are 45.6% and 45.1%. He also has an overall career shooting percentage 10% higher than Markieff, and never in his career has had a shooting percentage as low as Markieff's best season.

Horford has also put up significantly stronger rebounding numbers, both in base stats and advanced stats.

And while Horford is no ace defensively, he is better than Markieff, who has consistently struggled on that end.

 

[Covert Rain]

uh have you looked at the stats you posted?

In his best season Horford shot 42.3% from 16-3s and 44.6% from 10-16ft. Markieff shot 42.9% from 16-3s and 47.8% from 10-16ft.
Also Horford from the 10-16ft has generally been between 42-45% aside from 1 outlier season and a 29 game stretch, considerably less than Markieff at nearly 48% last year.

Markieff can shoot the 3 (20% of his fg attempts), Horford can't (0.5% of his fg attempts).

How does cherry picking prove your point?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Like I said, I like Keef. If you want to choose him over Horford because he's younger and still improving and is less of a concern on the injury front, I can understand that rationale. But to suggest that Horford is only slightly better than Markieff right now, well, I think that's unsupportable whether you're using the eye test or stats.

Steve

 

[Sci Fi]

Nobody wanted him last year!

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb...ns-to-playoff-make-a-deal-for-pau-204251.html

Likely a top 50 player this year. Probably better. Hey, we got the Boggy Man! Good enough!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...e-Can-Thrive-Defensively-In-Thibodeaus-System

Pau ranked number 44 in the ESPN NBA rank.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11702858/2014-nba-player-rankings-41-45

But he's DEFINITELY not worth Ennis and The Boggy Man. It would be beyond STUPID to try to get him at that price. I'm certain both will be stars, just like ALL late first round picks.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Pau ranked number 44 in the ESPN NBA rank.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11702858/2014-nba-player-rankings-41-45

But he's DEFINITELY not worth Ennis and The Boggy Man. It would be beyond STUPID to try to get him at that price. I'm certain both will be stars, just like ALL late first round picks.

all reports on LA radio were that they wanted their own pick back in that trade as well. weren't willing to get two late first rounders... at least wanted our own pick, which could have (and ended up being) a lotto pick.

AND HE WAS INJURED DURING OUR TRADE TALKS.

 

[Sci Fi]

Link please.

You think like McDonough. In the bad ways. He does have a good side though.

 

[Town Drunk]

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/fe...kers-suns-stop-trade-talks-for-gasol-20140204

 

[Phrazbit]

Link please.

You think like McDonough. In the bad ways. He does have a good side though.

Your obsession with this dead topic is pathetic. Gasol was injured. Period. Getting him would have gotten us no where... and then he would have left in the offseason.

 

[Covert Rain]

Your obsession with this dead topic is pathetic. Gasol was injured. Period. Getting him would have gotten us no where... and then he would have left in the offseason.

This Gasol love is almost reaching slinslin Lopez proportions. Who am I kidding.....no it's not. Still.......

 

[Cheesebeef]

Link please.

You think like McDonough. In the bad ways. He does have a good side though.

http://articles.latimes.com/2014/feb...gasol-20140204

but i'm sure that's not gonna be good enough for you either... even though you've already been proven to be wrong that a) he was injured during trade talks (AND AFTER) b) the Lakers wanted one of our highest picks and c) that Pau wouldn't commit to being here after.

but hey... what's evidence that completely proves you wrong at every turn when you can just ignore and continue spouting your nonsense with no back up continually.

 

[Suns_fan69]

uh have you looked at the stats you posted?

In his best season Horford shot 42.3% from 16-3s and 44.6% from 10-16ft. Markieff shot 42.9% from 16-3s and 47.8% from 10-16ft.
Also Horford from the 10-16ft has generally been between 42-45% aside from 1 outlier season and a 29 game stretch, considerably less than Markieff at nearly 48% last year.

Markieff can shoot the 3 (20% of his fg attempts), Horford can't (0.5% of his fg attempts).

Ok, so I'll bite for one more time.

So one year overrides his entire career? I like how you argue against "1 outlier season" when at this point that's as much as Kieff has shown thus far. In fact, prior to last season, his previous 2 seasons were SIGNIFICANTLY worse at 10-16 ft. Cherry picking indeed...

Again, Horford's CAREER average from 16 - 3p (which I feel I actually need to point out to you is FURTHER than 10-16 ft) is greater than Markieff's BEST season shooting at that distance. On top of that, for his CAREER, Horford has shot a greater percentage of all his FGA than Markieff's largest volume year of that distance.

Yes, Horford is worse than Kieff from 3pt distance. That's a no contest, but I don't think that really separates PFs from non-PFs as far as required shooting range is concerned.

 

[sunsfan88]

Nobody ever reported that the Suns were interested in Pau except for the Lakers and LA media. Adrian Woj who covers every trade rumor said nothing about it.

Hmm....

 

[AzStevenCal]

Nobody ever reported that the Suns were interested in Pau except for the Lakers and LA media. Adrian Woj who covers every trade rumor said nothing about it.

Hmm....

Maybe it originated out of LA but it was certainly reported or covered by the national guys. I know I heard it mentioned often on ESPN. I actually think they had something to do with the deal falling through. Tom Penn, almost daily, did this stupid trade segment where he kept saying that the Suns should send 3 first round picks to LA for Gasol. I'm just guessing but I think we'd come close to an agreement for just one pick. But after the LA fans had their interest piqued by the idea of 3 picks, there was no way Mitch could let him go to Phoenix (or Cleveland) for what would have appeared to be pennies on the dollar.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Maybe it originated out of LA but it was certainly reported or covered by the national guys. I know I heard it mentioned often on ESPN. I actually think they had something to do with the deal falling through. Tom Penn, almost daily, did this stupid trade segment where he kept saying that the Suns should send 3 first round picks to LA for Gasol. I'm just guessing but I think we'd come close to an agreement for just one pick. But after the LA fans had their interest piqued by the idea of 3 picks, there was no way Mitch could let him go to Phoenix (or Cleveland) for what would have appeared to be pennies on the dollar.

Steve

All other sources quoted the LA media when reporting that trade.

I remember Gambo saying the Suns and Lakers never even talked about a trade and based on Woj not reporting anything, I find that to be true.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Opening night. 26 points, 19 rebounds, 9 blocks. Man do I wish we had Anthony Davis in Phoenix. Backup wish. Please don't let him end up in Los Angeles.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Not just Davis, but Asik was also killing it out there. I really wish we send Plumlee to Houston for him. I know Asik is gonna be a FA but I don't see him leaving/them letting him leave New Orleans. Had we traded for him, we could have probably kept him here cause he would have have perhaps like the system, players and coaches.

One of the best defensive and rebounding Cs in the NBA and that's exactly what the Suns weakness is also.

 

[slinslin]

Asik does not fit our concept and just because he had one really good game yesterday you are overreacting. Last year he was not really better than Plumlee at all and is much older.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Not just Davis, but Asik was also killing it out there. I really wish we send Plumlee to Houston for him. I know Asik is gonna be a FA but I don't see him leaving/them letting him leave New Orleans. Had we traded for him, we could have probably kept him here cause he would have have perhaps like the system, players and coaches.

One of the best defensive and rebounding Cs in the NBA and that's exactly what the Suns weakness is also.

Not a chance that Houston makes that deal. Asik demanded a trade, they knew they would lose him at the end of the season and yet, not a single offer enticed them. I'm sure they received far better offers than Miles.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

Asik does not fit our concept and just because he had one really good game yesterday you are overreacting. Last year he was not really better than Plumlee at all and is much older.

I don't think that is true. He has consistently been better than Plumlee. He is older, yes. He is also paid muc much more.

 

[Sci Fi]

Asik does not fit our concept and just because he had one really good game yesterday you are overreacting. Last year he was not really better than Plumlee at all and is much older.

No.