Whiz is Toast

[Shane]

And that's the thing. 4 drafts, someone somewhere had to have been an impact player or difference maker even by accident. There are none that Whiz has drafted who are even close. If Whiz doesn't pull out a plum this draft, there's something wrong.

You could argue that all day long. Calais Campbell while not an all star is an impact player. Dan Williams VERY MUCH appears to be headed that way. DRC until this season would have been considered that easily.

Looks like D. Washington could end up being a real keeper too.

LSH definitely has an impact when healthy and many would say is worthy of a pro bowl..

 

[NJCardFan]

He was expendable....with good QB play. Teams don't need two top receivers, and on this team, Fitzgerald was clearly the better player.

Um, what? I repeat:

Irvin had his Harper
Swan had his Stallworth
Rice had Taylor
Moss had Carter

Very few great receivers did it all on their own. Most franchises great receivers had one that was complimentary.

 

[AZ Native]

Um, what? I repeat:

Irvin had his Harper
Swan had his Stallworth
Rice had Taylor
Moss had Carter

Very few great receivers did it all on their own. Most franchises great receivers had one that was complimentary.

Boldin told me at training camp he wanted Fitz money. You cannot pay 2 receivers that kind of cash, you can't do it.

 

[NJCardFan]

You could argue that all day long. Calais Campbell while not an all star is an impact player. Dan Williams VERY MUCH appears to be headed that way. DRC until this season would have been considered that easily.

Looks like D. Washington could end up being a real keeper too.

LSH definitely has an impact when healthy and many would say is worthy of a pro bowl..

Are any of these players difference makers? I compare it to the Falcons draft. How does the body of Whiz drafts compare to just that one Falcon draft or Green's 2004 draft. And as much as I like LSH, I would hardly call a special teams player a difference maker. Will Williams and Washington be those players? We shall see but let's see but as of now, the 2 drafts where the players have had plenty of time to be a difference maker or impact player, none have so far. Facts are facts.

 

[TJ]

You could argue that all day long. Calais Campbell while not an all star is an impact player. Dan Williams VERY MUCH appears to be headed that way. DRC until this season would have been considered that easily.

Looks like D. Washington could end up being a real keeper too.

LSH definitely has an impact when healthy and many would say is worthy of a pro bowl..

Thank you!

Plenty of impact players came out of Whisenhunt drafts. Sorry to the haters if not all 7 picks per year become pro bowlers

 

[desertdawg]

Thank you!

Plenty of impact players came out of Whisenhunt drafts. Sorry to the haters if not all 7 picks per year become pro bowlers

On the defensive side mostly.

 

[Sandan]

Mitch, I pretty much disagree with everything you said

 

[Krangodnzr]

I also need to add that Dennis Green had more impact players in 2004(Fitz, Dansby, Dockett) then in Whiz's 4 drafts.

Yeah and Green was drafting THIRD OVERALL.

How were Green's other drafts? Not so great.

While Whisenhunt hasn't had a draft like that, he's drafted quite a few players that are regular, contributing, solid football players. Whisenhunt just hasn't found a good LT, good edge rushers, or a QB to replace Warner.

 

[NJCardFan]

Thank you!

Plenty of impact players came out of Whisenhunt drafts. Sorry to the haters if not all 7 picks per year become pro bowlers

Name me the impact players? Name me a difference maker. I'll wait. Compare it to Green's draft of Fitz, Dockett, and Dansby. And for the record, only 1 Whiz pick has been a pro bowler and that's DRC and that was a head scratcher. And Brandon Keith is an impact player I guess but sadly the only impact he makes is yelling "Look Out!" to the QB or when he impacts the ground after getting pancaked. I've seen some kool aid drinkers but you take the whole pitcher.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And as much as I like LSH, I would hardly call a special teams player a difference maker.

LOL

Are you serious? He consistently gave us great field position and scored two TDs as a returner.

In 1/3 of the game (special teams) he's a dominate player. The best kick returner this team has had in a long time, and special at what he does.

 

[NJCardFan]

On the defensive side mostly.

We were 30th in points given up and 29th in total yards given up. You were saying?

 

[Shane]

Anyone claiming that LSH has little impact is being a hater. he is a special team dynamo. Best KR and gunner this team has seen in years.

 

[NJCardFan]

LOL

Are you serious? He consistently gave us great field position and scored two TDs as a returner.

In 1/3 of the game (special teams) he's a dominate player. The best kick returner this team has had in a long time, and special at what he does.

I hate to break this to you but that doesn't say a whole lot when you're saying your best player is your kick returner. Listen to yourselves please. That's like bragging that your punter is your only pro bowl player.

 

[NJCardFan]

Anyone claiming that LSH has little impact is being a hater. he is a special team dynamo. Best KR and gunner this team has seen in years.

You're right. Let me rephrase everything...


OUR BEST PLAYER IS OUR KICK RETURNER!!!! WE'RE #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really wish you pablum eaters would listen to yourselves.

 

[Shane]

2007: Branch and Breaston
2008: DRC, Campbell, Hightower, Keith
2009: Wells, Johnson, Toler, LSH
2010: Dan Williams, Daryl Washington, Obrien Schofield(9 months removed from MAJOR knee surgery and had 2 sacks in his first 2 starts showing lots of promise so early IMO)

To say there is no major impact from those picks is just plain silly. Campbell, TImmy and DRC all had major influence and impact during our 2008 SB run. In fact they were VERY good.

All can be argued are really decent NFL talents. Whether they are your definition of "major impact" or not.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Um, what? I repeat:

Irvin had his Harper
Swan had his Stallworth
Rice had Taylor
Moss had Carter

Very few great receivers did it all on their own. Most franchises great receivers had one that was complimentary.

Harper left for the first payday. Bad example. And he was never elite go look at what happened when left. Bad example.

Swann and Stallworth. Not in the salary cap/ free agency era. Bad example.

Rice and Taylor. Again not in the salary cap era. Bad example.

Moss and Carter. Didn't win a Super Bowl, not a great example. Look back the past 20 years and give me a lot of examples of teams that won a Super Bowl with 2 highly paid receivers. You won't find many.

 

[Krangodnzr]

2007: Branch and Breaston
2008: DRC, Campbell, Hightower, Keith
2009: Wells, Johnson, Toler, LSH
2010: Dan Williams, Daryl Washington, Obrien Schofield(9 months removed from MAJOR knee surgery and had 2 sacks in his first 2 starts showing lots of promise so early IMO)

To say there is no major impact from those picks is just plain silly. Campbell, TImmy and DRC all had major influence and impact during our 2008 SB run. In fact they were VERY good.

Checkmate. Getting 2-3 major contributors every draft is what any team would like.

Right there you have about 7 starters, all with at least a modicum of promise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I also need to add that Dennis Green had more impact players in 2004(Fitz, Dansby, Dockett) then in Whiz's 4 drafts. Not saying Green is a better coach...let's get back to that...but he was a much much better judge of talent.

And if you want to compare coaching careers, Green didn't begin to have losing problems until he got here. In 10 years as Viking head coach, Green had 1 losing season in 10 and averaged 10 wins a season so if you Whiz pablum eaters want to compare bodies of work instead of just one team, Whiz couldn't carry Green's coffee in overall coaching performance. Just saying. I mean the man won 10 games with Jeff George as his QB for God's sakes. Let's give Whiz a couple more years before comparing.

we saw both guys coach pretty much the EXACT SAME TALENT. DG's teams were a laughingstock, Whiz's teams with DG's talent were consistently above .500 and won multiple playoff games, including an NFC title. How that's not the ULTIMATE basis for comparison is beyond me... especially considering DG's Minnesota team were often LOADED with talent, but ALWAYS underachieved.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I hate to break this to you but that doesn't say a whole lot when you're saying your best player is your kick returner. Listen to yourselves please. That's like bragging that your punter is your only pro bowl player.

Go back. Reread what I posted. Slap yourself in the face. And then come back when you understand what I wrote.

Then, and only then, will you come up with an intelligent post that actually relates to what I wrote.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Name me the impact players? Name me a difference maker. I'll wait. Compare it to Green's draft of Fitz, Dockett, and Dansby. And for the record, only 1 Whiz pick has been a pro bowler and that's DRC and that was a head scratcher. And Brandon Keith is an impact player I guess but sadly the only impact he makes is yelling "Look Out!" to the QB or when he impacts the ground after getting pancaked. I've seen some kool aid drinkers but you take the whole pitcher.

Green had ONE good draft his entire tenure here and even in that draft, he made THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE TEAM PASSING ON TWO FRANCHISE QBS FOR A WR BECAUSE HE HAD JOSH MCCOWN AS HIS QB.

The fact that he gets credit for a great draft there when he screwed this team royally for 15 years by passing on Big Ben and Rivers cracks me up to no end.

 

[Shane]

Green had ONE good draft his entire tenure here and even in that draft, he made THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE TEAM PASSING ON TWO FRANCHISE QBS FOR A WR BECAUSE HE HAD JOSH MCCOWN AS HIS QB.

The fact that he gets credit for a great draft there when he screwed this team royally for 15 years by passing on Big Ben and Rivers cracks me up to no end.

:iwin:

 

[Heucrazy]

Ok the draft comparisons are ridiculous. Campbell, DRC, Wells, Breaston, THT, Schofield, Williams, D.Wash, LSH, even Levi at RT is solid. Whiz has had good drafts.

Besides he trumps Green in every sense by going 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, two division championships, and a freaking superbowl. The Denny Green love is ********.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I really wish you pablum eaters would listen to yourselves.

Perhaps it would benefit you to listen to others here who continue to tear apart your weak arguments.

 

[TJ]

Name me the impact players? Name me a difference maker. I'll wait. Compare it to Green's draft of Fitz, Dockett, and Dansby. And for the record, only 1 Whiz pick has been a pro bowler and that's DRC and that was a head scratcher. And Brandon Keith is an impact player I guess but sadly the only impact he makes is yelling "Look Out!" to the QB or when he impacts the ground after getting pancaked. I've seen some kool aid drinkers but you take the whole pitcher.

See Shane's list and itll give you some insight as to what we're trying to explain to you.

Honestly, Denny hasnt been here since 2006 and won a total of 16 games in three seasons while perpetuating the stigma of perennial NFL doormat. The more his name is mentioned, the less impact it has (and even in the beginning, it had none)

As for DRC, how is that a head scratcher? The guy is regarded as one of the top CBs in the entire league and has made some outstanding game changing plays.

Further, you are going to bring up a 7th round pick to beef up your argument? You really are grasping for straws here. By the way, Keith was on his way to improvement before he went out with a torn hammy. He even played one entire game with that injury. So the jury is still out.

As for my beverage of choice, I dont drink that much Cards kool aid (I call a spade a spade), but I guarantee you quench your thirst on an hourly basis with this:

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[desertdawg]

Ok the draft comparisons are ridiculous. Campbell, DRC, Wells, Breaston, THT, Schofield, Williams, D.Wash, LSH, even Levi at RT is solid. Whiz has had good drafts.

Besides he trumps Green in every sense by going 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, two division championships, and a freaking superbowl. The Denny Green love is ********.

Agree.