Who do you want to be ASU's next football coach?

[Mainstreet]

The thing that concerns me about Edward's hire is how are the Sun Devils going to be able to keep the Associate Head coach long term when in fact he is acting as the head coach in terms of coaching the team.

The Sun Devils may have added another layer of salary where they may have to pay Napier similar dollars to Edwards.

 

[TJ]

The thing that concerns me about Edward's hire is how are the Sun Devils going to be able to keep the Associate Head coach long term when in fact he is acting as the head coach in terms of coaching the team.

The Sun Devils may have added another layer of salary where they may have to pay Napier similar dollars to Edwards.

Legit concern. If Napier does a good job and other schools come calling next offseason, it puts ASU in a bind as it does not fit with their timeline. Personally, I think Napier should've been promoted and Anderson not gone through the mess of doing his friend a solid and getting him back into the game.

Plummer: Support ASU’s Edwards or ‘root for the team down south’
http://arizonasports.com/story/1339...s-herm-edwards-hire-root-for-team-down-south/

Nah, Jake. We good in Tucson.

 

[Mainstreet]

Legit concern. If Napier does a good job and other schools come calling next offseason, it puts ASU in a bind as it does not fit with their timeline. Personally, I think Napier should've been promoted and Anderson not gone through the mess of doing his friend a solid and getting him back into the game.

These are my thoughts as well but it looks like fans are along for the ride.

Perhaps Edwards should have been hired in a PR role for the football team.

I believe Anderson and Edwards are near the same age so they want to share their later years together as they are friends.



Another thought, when Napier leaves, Edwards may take over as the (hands on) Head Coach. So this may only be a stop-gap measure until he can get acclimated to coaching again.

 

[AZCB34]

If transitioning to Napier is the plan, they have already considered the possibility that suitors may come knocking next year. I suspect that if we get to that point Napier would be promoted and Herm would move into an advisory/recruiting coordinator role that would still have some coaching function to it.

 

[82CardsGrad]

The thing that concerns me about Edward's hire is how are the Sun Devils going to be able to keep the Associate Head coach long term when in fact he is acting as the head coach in terms of coaching the team.

The Sun Devils may have added another layer of salary where they may have to pay Napier similar dollars to Edwards.

Man you guys are trying HARD to knock the plan... I guess that’s always way to do when we’re not the guy in the seat making the decisions...
Anyway, had we promoted Napier this year and he had success over the next 2-3 years, and better schools came knocking, wouldn’t he be a flight risk then?
Again, I trust Ray and his proven ability thus far to assess people and make the right moves. He clearly felt Napier isn’t ready to fulfill the role that is NOW the new role of an ASU Head football coach. So he promotes Napier to a higher level position, giving him more responsibility and more time to learn and grown into the position that ASU has now carved out.
Is Napier still a flight risk? Of course... but given the new plan and new structure of the football operations, the associated damage from any individual leaving had been mitigated as opposed to what it would’ve meant prior to these changes.

I guess you guys can continue to try to find all the holes, clenching your teeth the whole way. But why? It’s done. Cheer an support your team... no? At least until the plan proves otherwise...

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Making ASU football the 'Mecca of high-level NFL prep' is goal of new leadership model

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...el-aimed-toward-roster-improvement/925405001/

Arizona State’s new football leadership model might take on an NFL structure, but much of it is aimed toward improving the program’s roster, both in the recruitment of high school prospects and the development of what’s already in place.

Since announcing the dismissal of coach Todd Graham, Vice President of Athletics Ray Anderson has been clear that he felt ASU has not measured to a high enough level in both recruiting and developing NFL talent. Thehire of former NFL coach Herm Edwards was the first step. Surrounding him with administrative support so he could focus on recruitment and coaching was second.

This is the best way to get recruits these days. Hopefully it works!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Man you guys are trying HARD to knock the plan... I guess that’s always way to do when we’re not the guy in the seat making the decisions...
Anyway, had we promoted Napier this year and he had success over the next 2-3 years, and better schools came knocking, wouldn’t he be a flight risk then?
Again, I trust Ray and his proven ability thus far to assess people and make the right moves. He clearly felt Napier isn’t ready to fulfill the role that is NOW the new role of an ASU Head football coach. So he promotes Napier to a higher level position, giving him more responsibility and more time to learn and grown into the position that ASU has now carved out.
Is Napier still a flight risk? Of course... but given the new plan and new structure of the football operations, the associated damage from any individual leaving had been mitigated as opposed to what it would’ve meant prior to these changes.

I guess you guys can continue to try to find all the holes, clenching your teeth the whole way. But why? It’s done. Cheer an support your team... no? At least until the plan proves otherwise...

Uh we are not “finding” holes we are discussing the very real possibility of the holes. If the mass population is always just supposed to shut up and rah rah every move of leadership we would all just be lemmings.

Anderson has stepped out on a limb. It’s a limb that if successful would garner kudos and massive support on this board. If it fails it could make the university a laughing stock that causes the program to suffer for an even longer period of time than a more traditional failure might.

I’m nit saying this is doomed. I frankly don’t know. I hope it succeeds. But I believe I’m rightfully skeptical.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Uh we are not “finding” holes we are discussing the very real possibility of the holes. If the mass population is always just supposed to shut up and rah rah every move of leadership we would all just be lemmings.

Anderson has stepped out on a limb. It’s a limb that if successful would garner kudos and massive support on this board. If it fails it could make the university a laughing stock that causes the program to suffer for an even longer period of time than a more traditional failure might.

I’m nit saying this is doomed. I frankly don’t know. I hope it succeeds. But I believe I’m rightfully skeptical.

All the while ignoring the “holes” that would’ve been there had they gone in any other direction.
Can you admit to this: that, although the risks are greater with Anderson’s plan, the upside is far greater than any other move ASU could’ve made?

 

[Mainstreet]

It looks like the Sun Devils could have had Sumlin. Ouch.

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2:32 PM - 6 Dec 2017

 

[Mainstreet]

Man you guys are trying HARD to knock the plan... I guess that’s always way to do when we’re not the guy in the seat making the decisions...
Anyway, had we promoted Napier this year and he had success over the next 2-3 years, and better schools came knocking, wouldn’t he be a flight risk then?
Again, I trust Ray and his proven ability thus far to assess people and make the right moves. He clearly felt Napier isn’t ready to fulfill the role that is NOW the new role of an ASU Head football coach. So he promotes Napier to a higher level position, giving him more responsibility and more time to learn and grown into the position that ASU has now carved out.
Is Napier still a flight risk? Of course... but given the new plan and new structure of the football operations, the associated damage from any individual leaving had been mitigated as opposed to what it would’ve meant prior to these changes.

I guess you guys can continue to try to find all the holes, clenching your teeth the whole way. But why? It’s done. Cheer an support your team... no? At least until the plan proves otherwise...

Make no mistake. I support the Sun Devils fully but I do not blindly trust anyone.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Make no mistake. I support the Sun Devils fully but I do not blindly trust anyone.

What has Anderson done to cause you to not trust him up to this point??

 

[82CardsGrad]

It looks like the Sun Devils could have had Sumlin. Ouch.

Had Sumlin come here and had success, how long do you believe he would’ve stayed?? And what would be left in his wake?

 

[Mainstreet]

What has Anderson done to cause you to not trust him up to this point??

Had Sumlin come here and had success, how long do you believe he would’ve stayed?? And what would be left in his wake?

Clearly you are sold on Anderson hiring Edwards. They will have to earn my confidence.

I am disappointed in the baseball program thus far.

It would have been interesting to see all the coaching options. Maybe more information will be forthcoming.

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

I guess we'll have to settle this on the field gentleman.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Clearly you are sold on Anderson hiring Edwards. They will have to earn my confidence.

I am disappointed in the baseball program thus far.

It would have been interesting to see all the coaching options. Maybe more information will be forthcoming.

I am "sold" on Ray Anderson who, thus far has proven to be a very effective administrator, talent evaluator and leader. He has yet to show me why I shouldn't trust him...
As for the baseball program - what did Anderson inherit? I think he's due some time to right that ship...

And sure, it might've been "interesting" to see what other coaching options were out there... But really now, aside from Sumlin, do you really believe there would've been any other brand names out there that would consider ASU?? If so, name one. If you can be honest with yourself and about the program, you would admit that there weren't any and the only reason Sumlin would've been considering ASU is because there wasn't anything left for him...

As I have consistently stated, if/when Anderson proves that he isn't worthy of my trust in him, my tune will change. But I operate on the basis of "innocence until proven guilty..." Anderson hasn't been proven guilty in my eyes and I'm hopeful that this very brave and bold move will only strengthen my trust in him...

 

[MrYeahBut]

I hope Herm is successful for you all. I've always liked the guy. Good luck!

 

[Mainstreet]

I am "sold" on Ray Anderson who, thus far has proven to be a very effective administrator, talent evaluator and leader. He has yet to show me why I shouldn't trust him...
As for the baseball program - what did Anderson inherit? I think he's due some time to right that ship...

And sure, it might've been "interesting" to see what other coaching options were out there... But really now, aside from Sumlin, do you really believe there would've been any other brand names out there that would consider ASU?? If so, name one. If you can be honest with yourself and about the program, you would admit that there weren't any and the only reason Sumlin would've been considering ASU is because there wasn't anything left for him...

As I have consistently stated, if/when Anderson proves that he isn't worthy of my trust in him, my tune will change. But I operate on the basis of "innocence until proven guilty..." Anderson hasn't been proven guilty in my eyes and I'm hopeful that this very brave and bold move will only strengthen my trust in him...

I went to You Tube to watch video on Herm Edwards. Most of what I saw was righteous, angry rants. Even his introductory press conference at ASU was more of the same.

Personally I tune out this type of personality.

I guess had to many fire and brimstone preachers in my childhood.

Hopefully college kids will buy into this approach.

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Ronin]

Steve Berkowitz
@ByBerkowitz

The roughly $12.3 million buyout Arizona State owes fired football coach Todd Graham is nearly equivalent to combined pay of all assistant coaches in the Sun Belt Conference

 

[overseascardfan]

If transitioning to Napier is the plan, they have already considered the possibility that suitors may come knocking next year. I suspect that if we get to that point Napier would be promoted and Herm would move into an advisory/recruiting coordinator role that would still have some coaching function to it.

I think Edwards is the stop gap for either Napier or once they have enough money to get a bigger name if Napier bolts.

It looks like the Sun Devils could have had Sumlin. Ouch.

I wonder why other big time programs passed on Sumlin as well? TEN is on their 3rd option and Sumlin wasn’t one of their first 2. Maybe there is something we don’t know.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder why other big time programs passed on Sumlin as well? TEN is on their 3rd option and Sumlin wasn’t one of their first 2. Maybe there is something we don’t know.

This is my guess if he was in fact assembling a staff for the ASU job.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As I have consistently stated, if/when Anderson proves that he isn't worthy of my trust in him, my tune will change. But I operate on the basis of "innocence until proven guilty..." Anderson hasn't been proven guilty in my eyes and I'm hopeful that this very brave and bold move will only strengthen my trust in him...

Man do i think you have that backwards. We are not determining guilt here. We are determining if he’s worthy of our trust. Trust is a reward. You EARB trust. The worst companies in the world are those that blindly trust until someone fails. The best companies work with those who earn their trust.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Man do i think you have that backwards. We are not determining guilt here. We are determining if he’s worthy of our trust. Trust is a reward. You EARB trust. The worst companies in the world are those that blindly trust until someone fails. The best companies work with those who earn their trust.

So I ask again, what has Anderson done thus far to not have earned your trust?

 

[Buckybird]

Actually Herm's record is worse than the great Rich Kotite! Ugh
Terrible hire by the Devils! Should've kept my good buddy Todd instead of this hire. This is comical

Meh... he had 4 winning seasons and 4 losing seasons as a NFL coach. He went to the playoffs 4 times. It's not like he was Rich Kotite and One Heartbeat!

Recruiting should be interesting to watch... I can see his playing and coaching in the NFL as a positive/attractive element and that there might very well be kids who will want to play for a guy who has all of that NFL experience and NFL connections.
Who else out there was a better option? I know there are some... but Les Miles and Sumlin were not coming here unless the $$ was over the top. I haven't heard any official numbers on Herm's deal, but the speculation was in the range of $3MM per... Ain't no way guys like Miles and Sumlin were coming to Tempe at that price...

 

[Ronin]

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[AsUpRoDiGy]

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#championship!