Wk 13-Arizona Cardinals @ Chicago Bears Pre Game Thread 11/29/21-12/4/21

[BritCard]

Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady have legitimate cases to make. Dak Prescott will be in the conversation also with whichever QB leads the team who wins the AFC West.

Jonathan Taylor is in the mix

 

[Stout]

I think Brady is going to get it just off sheer numbers. As long as he doesnt lose more than 2 games.

There seems to be a real push for Josh Allen, but he's not been better than Herbert this year to me.

Josh Allen? No way.

 

[Stout]

Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady have legitimate cases to make. Dak Prescott will be in the conversation also with whichever QB leads the team who wins the AFC West.

Dak? Please. Lamar should be tough to win based on his play (lots of bad turnovers/can't pass to win). Brady will probably win it. My hope is that KM comes back, keeps playing lights out, and we secure the #1 seed.

 

[Bkbobo]

When is the game going to be played? It feels like it had been forever since beating the Seahags. Seriously, I hope the guys got some rest, feeling better, and are ready for the Bears. Let's go 1-0 and let's go Cardinals!

 

[JohnnyCakes]

the most important piece of information today is the damn injury report.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

the most important piece of information today is the damn injury report.

Sitting here on pins and needles waiting for someone to post it.

 

[CT CARDSFAN]

Weather Channel's forecast for Sunday in Chicago.

Sun 05​

45°/28°
Showers
54%
SSW 15 mph

Sun 05 | Day​

45°


54%
SSW 15 mph
Cloudy with showers. High around 45F. Winds SSW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 50%.

• Humidity71%
• UV Index1 of 10
• Sunrise7:02 am
• Sunset4:19 pm

Sun 05 | Night​

28°


15%
WNW 18 mph
Cloudy skies early, followed by partial clearing. Low 28F. Winds WNW at 15 to 25 mph.

• Humidity63%
• UV Index0 of 10
• Moonrise8:45 am
  Waxing Crescent
• Moonset5:38 pm

 

[kerouac9]

Dak? Please. Lamar should be tough to win based on his play (lots of bad turnovers/can't pass to win). Brady will probably win it. My hope is that KM comes back, keeps playing lights out, and we secure the #1 seed.

Care to extrapolate on that Dak take?

The Ravens are currently the #1 seed in the AFC and they're nowhere without Lamar Jackson.

Ultimately, this discussion is academic. The Cards just need to keep banking wins.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

Darren Urban

@Cardschatter

It was good to see as well during #AZCardinals practice J.J. Watt on the side, getting in some conditioning with an athletic trainer.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Bkbobo]

I went to Solider Field for a Bears vs. Lions in 1993 and that was the coldest I have ever been, and I lived in Cleveland for 15 years. Fans were booing both teams when they through an incomplete pass and stopped the clock. We all were surviving to half time to get something warm.

 

[Jim Otis]

Care to extrapolate on that Dak take?

The Ravens are currently the #1 seed in the AFC and they're nowhere without Lamar Jackson.

Ultimately, this discussion is academic. The Cards just need to keep banking wins.

The last line of your post is spot on !

 

[Stout]

Care to extrapolate on that Dak take?

The Ravens are currently the #1 seed in the AFC and they're nowhere without Lamar Jackson.

Ultimately, this discussion is academic. The Cards just need to keep banking wins.

Dak isn't winning enough or willing them to win enough. This is a high bar--it's MVP, not A Very Good Player. Lamar Jackson has much more of a claim, but hasn't been terribly good. You're right, they'd be nowhere without him, but he hasn't been close to as good as KM.

Ultimately, you're right. We end up 15-2 with KM finishing out the campaign, and he should be the MVP.

 

[Shane]

Dak isn't winning enough or willing them to win enough. This is a high bar--it's MVP, not A Very Good Player. Lamar Jackson has much more of a claim, but hasn't been terribly good. You're right, they'd be nowhere without him, but he hasn't been close to as good as KM.

Ultimately, you're right. We end up 15-2 with KM finishing out the campaign, and he should be the MVP.

KM being out 3 weeks and us still winning and basically destroying teams in 2 of 3 weeks actually hurts Kyler.... While kinda silly logic it shows we can still compete and win without him so is he really the "most valuable" Hurts because hes been out of the limelight for over a month too.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[SoonerLou]

Sucks that its going to rain. Only thing that can slow us down (early at least).

From what I recall Kliff still found ways to win in a few rain games (Giants and Seahawks right?)

Not sure Kyler has played well in any of them though.

 

[JosiahLee]

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I know, I know, I need to stop being a Debbie Downer but this is the exact same thing he said after the GB game...Then after the SF game...Then after the Carolina game...Then after the Seattle game.

Just tell us if you are playing or not!!! We miss you K1!

 

[CardLogic]

Kyler in a league of his own

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I'll have to take your word for it, I can't read it with these old eyes.

Click on the image in BritCards post, this will open the original Twitter post, then click on the chart in the Twitter post; the resulting image should be large and clear enough. But if not click on the double arrow >> to the top/right of the chart to expand the chart one step further.

 

[Stout]

I know, I know, I need to stop being a Debbie Downer but this is the exact same thing he said after the GB game...Then after the SF game...Then after the Carolina game...Then after the Seattle game.

Just tell us if you are playing or not!!! We miss you K1!

Right there with you, man. I am not inspired to confidence.

 

[kerouac9]

Click on the image in BritCards post, this will open the original Twitter post, then click on the chart in the Twitter post; the resulting image should be large and clear enough. But if not click on the double arrow >> to the top/right of the chart to expand the chart one step further.

It’s so simple!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't have a table for all QBs vs. teams 5 games over .500, but this table that I linked last week shows records vs. all winning teams (compiled before this season):

Player          Total   Wins    Losses  Ties    %

Lamar Jackson    16     10       6      0       .625
Patrick Mahomes  16     10       6      0       .625
Tom Brady       121     74      47      0       .611
Jimmy Garoppolo  15      9       6      0       .600
Russell Wilson   59     32      27      0       .542
Marcus Mariota   25     12      13      0       .480
Aaron Rodgers    80     36      43      1       .456
Jared Goff       31     14      17      0       .451
Josh Allen       17      7      10      0       .411
Dak Prescott     33     13      20      0       .393
Matt Ryan        86     31      55      0       .360
Mitch Trubisky   23      8      15      0       .347
Kyler Murray     14      3      11      0       .333
Carson Wentz     31     10      21      0       .322
Baker Mayfield   20      6      14      0       .300
Deshaun Watson   26      7      19      0       .269
Drew Lock         8      2       6      0       .250
Derek Carr       59     14      45      0       .237
Sam Darnold      17      4      13      0       .235
Ted Bridgewater  18      4      14      0       .222
Kirk Cousins     42      7      35      0       .173
Justin Herbert    6      1       5      0       .166
Matt Stafford    75      8      67      0       .106
Daniel Jones      9      0       9      0       .000

It's seems clear that while many other factors are at play, Stafford contributes a great deal to this level of suck.

...dave

Only 5 of them have a winning record against winning teams. That makes Brady’s numbers all the more incredible.