Yea. Where are all the Whiz backers now!!??

[joeshmo]

50-50 right now. Most definitely will give him another year though. Needs to fix, Game Management (our in game adjustments are sporadic), Clock Management (not sure I need to explain this one), Penalty managment (Duh), and pregame game planning/prep (worst scoring offense in the 1st quarter in the NFL, shows me a lack of pregame game planning and pre game prep).

Plus a coaches 2nd year is historically the year he has the most turn around and has more of his players then past regimes players, since it is easier to cut guys being a year later into their deals, and players just arent re-signed.

Need to have a better more productive draft as well. 2nd day picks is where you find your special teamers their first year in the league and we need improved special teams coverage badly still.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I know it came across alot harsher than maybe it should have but the whole purpose of this thread was ......I wish Whiz would correct the misstakes as the season went along. I know they were not going to fire him after one season. My big problem with him and I can't understand there isn't a universal agreement here...1) We constantly made 10-11 penalties a game. This could and should have been addressed better throughout the year. 2) He constantly blew timeouts and in horrible situations. I don't care what anyone says but we blew a timeout after a timeout (2minute warning I think) but we had to call a time out because the play clock was about to go off! He wouldn't call a timeout to protect Rackers FG when they got a delay of game in the SF game. He blew a timeout on a challenge play where it was obvious the guy caught the ball at the 1. He blew a timeout against SF when we were at the 1 yd line near the end of the game. A time out there would have let us run for the win. He blew 4 or 5 timeouts where plays couldn't get in on time. He didn't call a timeout against Washington when they were in scoring position late in the game. Warner fumbled 1 play later. The problem I have is that it never got better. In fact you could argue the best game we managed, so to speak was the Opening game! 3) He played too conservative in games where there was no need. 4) He never adjusted to the other teams game plan after Halftime. We throw a hail mary against SF and yet built no momentum after the 2nd half. We let bad teams run the same plays for big yardage against us...ie (Tampa, SF twice, Baltimore, Atlanta, Rams, and Carolina.) You would think we would have learned from one of those games. Oh well....I will always be a Cardinal fan...But everyone has to agree, How many times will we have this much talent??? Especially in the weak NFC?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I know it came across alot harsher than maybe it should have but the whole purpose of this thread was ......I wish Whiz would correct the misstakes as the season went along. I know they were not going to fire him after one season. My big problem with him and I can't understand there isn't a universal agreement here...1) We constantly made 10-11 penalties a game. This could and should have been addressed better throughout the year. 2) He constantly blew timeouts and in horrible situations. I don't care what anyone says but we blew a timeout after a timeout (2minute warning I think) but we had to call a time out because the play clock was about to go off! He wouldn't call a timeout to protect Rackers FG when they got a delay of game in the SF game. He blew a timeout on a challenge play where it was obvious the guy caught the ball at the 1. He blew a timeout against SF when we were at the 1 yd line near the end of the game. A time out there would have let us run for the win. He blew 4 or 5 timeouts where plays couldn't get in on time. He didn't call a timeout against Washington when they were in scoring position late in the game. Warner fumbled 1 play later. The problem I have is that it never got better. In fact you could argue the best game we managed, so to speak was the Opening game! 3) He played too conservative in games where there was no need. 4) He never adjusted to the other teams game plan after Halftime. We throw a hail mary against SF and yet built no momentum after the 2nd half. We let bad teams run the same plays for big yardage against us...ie (Tampa, SF twice, Baltimore, Atlanta, Rams, and Carolina.) You would think we would have learned from one of those games. Oh well....I will always be a Cardinal fan...But everyone has to agree, How many times will we have this much talent??? Especially in the weak NFC?

PARAGRAPH BREAKS!!!

(unless you don't want us to read your points)

 

[JeffGollin]

Campos - There isn't a single head coach in the NFL that you couldn't pick apart on his decision-making game to game.

Hindsight is twenty-twenty, and it's not all that easy to make perfect decisions all the time as bullets are flying.

Try this questionon for size: "If not Wiz, who?"

Is there any other human being out there that you'd rather have coaching our team than Ken Whisenhunt? And if we hired him, would you be equally critical of his decisions or would you grant him a pass?

I think it's part of the DNA of some fans to want to rip the HC and other members of the team establishment regardless of the circumstances. Some of that criticism is no doubt valid (because nobody's perfect) but I don't share the intensity or vitriol.

I think we have a solid citizen and potentially great coach in Ken Whisenhunt and that one of his strengths is the ability to be objective, analytical, open to criticism and receptive to making adjustments.

He got us to 8 & 8 in his rookie year. Not great, but bad for starters.

 

[lobo]

He got us to 8 & 8 in his rookie year. Not great, but bad for starters.[/quote]


All points so true. Don't expect agreement from any more than 70% at the VERY most of the posters. There will always be some of the "thousands" who still think Pete Carroll is coming in and will wave his magic wand....fuggetaboutit...as I said before your are essentially preaching to the choir and those who won't, don't care to or just can't understand or respect diverse opinion but they certainly have the right to behave that way.

 

[Pariah]

Try this questionon for size: "If not Wiz, who?"

Is there any other human being out there that you'd rather have coaching our team than Ken Whisenhunt?

I like Whiz, but I'd swap him for Cowher.

But, that's fantasy-land. I know that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I know it came across alot harsher than maybe it should have but the whole purpose of this thread was ......I wish Whiz would correct the misstakes as the season went along. I know they were not going to fire him after one season. My big problem with him and I can't understand there isn't a universal agreement here...1) We constantly made 10-11 penalties a game. This could and should have been addressed better throughout the year. 2) He constantly blew timeouts and in horrible situations. I don't care what anyone says but we blew a timeout after a timeout (2minute warning I think) but we had to call a time out because the play clock was about to go off! He wouldn't call a timeout to protect Rackers FG when they got a delay of game in the SF game. He blew a timeout on a challenge play where it was obvious the guy caught the ball at the 1. He blew a timeout against SF when we were at the 1 yd line near the end of the game. A time out there would have let us run for the win. He blew 4 or 5 timeouts where plays couldn't get in on time. He didn't call a timeout against Washington when they were in scoring position late in the game. Warner fumbled 1 play later. The problem I have is that it never got better. In fact you could argue the best game we managed, so to speak was the Opening game! 3) He played too conservative in games where there was no need. 4) He never adjusted to the other teams game plan after Halftime. We throw a hail mary against SF and yet built no momentum after the 2nd half. We let bad teams run the same plays for big yardage against us...ie (Tampa, SF twice, Baltimore, Atlanta, Rams, and Carolina.) You would think we would have learned from one of those games. Oh well....I will always be a Cardinal fan...But everyone has to agree, How many times will we have this much talent??? Especially in the weak NFC?

He's made mistakes but every coach does. I do think his worst problem is that he always seems to call a TO down by the goal line.Now it's better to be safe than sorry down there but it seems every time we are at the 3 yard line,or closer, we burn a TO. Alot of it earlier was when he was doing the Tim Rattay shuffle but that has,thankfully,stopped the last few games. Another thing is, i think you greatly over-estimate the talent on this years team. Starters-wise the Cards have a pretty good amount of talent but the drop off is immense form starter to backup. PLus, we do have a few very weak starters in Holt,Wells, and TE but the TE's have come along nicely as the year progressed.

 

[Lloydian]

To steer way off onto an old part of the thread (I should have caught up sooner):

Nope, started 7-4 lost last 5 games 7-9

I remember going to that last game of the season. We knew we could win one last game to improve to .500, after all, we were playing the team that would be drafting Troy Aikman since they were the worst in the league, but little did we know that Phoenix would be responsible for taking the first draft pick away from the Packers.

Good times, good times.

 

[Skkorpion]

I usually agree so much with the points Jeff makes that I rarely respond because they can't be improved upon.

In this case, he has violated Commandment #1 of Cardinaldom: Thou shalt not tempt the Football Gods.

To wit:

He got us to 8 & 8 in his rookie year. Not great, but bad for starters.

Huh? Are we not currently 7-8?

 

[Cards_Campos]

Jeff,
You ask who other than Whiz huh?

I would take Cowher, Parcells, and Shottenhiemer(sp?)....College I would add Pete Carroll, Bob Stoops and maybe Urban Meyer.

I know Whiz has done a decent job but when you look around the league. Everyone is 7-8 in the NFC and everyone of them can claim losses that should be wins. Heck Philly has lost 4 games on the last play of the game this year.(either missing a fg or someone making a fg....They lost to the Packers fumbling 2 punts in the 4th qtr) An they have had major injuries too. Are they more talented than us??? Even there coach has had major distractions. The point is WHat has he really done with our schedule, that any normal coach couldn't do. Denny Green was to cocky and wouldn't adapt to change. Bugal had us at 8-8 one year(in St.louis) to show that an ok coach can still achieve.

I'll give him 1 thing. He kept our teams hopes up during the season. We never tanked any games. But we lost some VERY, VERY winnable games. Just my humble opinion.