You stay classy Philly fans!!!!

[82CardsGrad]

Youre dead wrong to call me naive. I deal with criminals for a living. Every day I deal with violent dirt bag, dead end losers. I'm up to my eyeballs in them.

I've had season tickets since 92. I've been to over one hundred and closer to two hundred Cardinals games. I've never seen an act of group cowardice that approaches anything like this. Not ever. Almost invariably, when opposing teams fans come to SDS or UofP they get little to no harassment, especially if they are showing even a shred of decency themselves. I've never seen nor heard of any act of group cowardice that approaches anything like this. Not even close.

With all due respect, I don't see why your connection to scumbags has any connection to this topic?
I already said I agreed with you that the morons tossing the snowballs are, well, morons... scumbags... and cowards.
And I also said that I haven't seen these sort of acts at UoP, but I most certainly did see them, a lot, at SDS. Good for you that you were somehow able to skirt these situations at SDS. But I starting going to Cards games at SDS in 2001, and I would guess that in close to, if not more than 50% of the games I saw there, I witnessed fights, brawls, things being tossed at opposing fans, and multiple taser situations.. Not at all suggesting that the turds who were representing the opposing team didn't deserve what they got - most of the time they did.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Not sure at what point the game was when all this broke out. But if it were early enough, I will venture a bet that those 49er fans were treated to a nice warm box, filled with food and beverage to finish watching the game.

 

[Shzm13]

Reportedly, Smith tried to fire one back at the fan but it got picked off.

FTW

lol

 

[MigratingOsprey]

absolutely idiotic

they paid their ticket prices like anyone else - just because people get comfortable with a mob mentality and decide to act like jerks doesn't make it OK because someone dared go against the mob in a legal manner

but then again, I guess why show an ounce of basic human respect to each other

and the fact that they have done worse things doesn't make this OK .... that's like excusing shoplifting because it's done by a serial rapist

 

[82CardsGrad]

absolutely idiotic

they paid their ticket prices like anyone else - just because people get comfortable with a mob mentality and decide to act like jerks doesn't make it OK because someone dared go against the mob in a legal manner

but then again, I guess why show an ounce of basic human respect to each other

and the fact that they have done worse things doesn't make this OK .... that's like excusing shoplifting because it's done by a serial rapist

I think anyone who can't unerstand how something like this can happen should write a note to Roger Goodell. I believe the NFL has already shrunk tailgating hours, perhaps they should do away with it entirely... In short, I have no doubt that these sort of instances possess a bigtime corellation to alcohol consumption...

It is what it is... until alcohol is entirely done away with, the fact remains that when you wear your jersey in someone else's home, YOU are asking for trouble. Plan and simple...

 

[MigratingOsprey]

then the teams should be held liable for any issues that happen there - including punitive actions

if they cannot protect their paying customers from harrassment - especially when the paying customers quite often are helping pay for the building they are visiting (making it very much their "home" as well)

unfortunately there will be drunken d'bags on all sides .... however, it should never be tolerated and sloughed off as "just the way it is"

hold yourself and those around you to a higher standard and bring back some basic respect and civility

 

[82CardsGrad]

then the teams should be held liable for any issues that happen there - including punitive actions

if they cannot protect their paying customers from harrassment - especially when the paying customers quite often are helping pay for the building they are visiting (making it very much their "home" as well)

unfortunately there will be drunken d'bags on all sides .... however, it should never be tolerated and sloughed off as "just the way it is"

hold yourself and those around you to a higher standard and bring back some basic respect and civility

Sorry dude... your bravado is admirable. But for me, when I'm at a stadium with 50,000/60,000 other people, most of whom are extremely amped up, many of whom have self-control issues, and many more are drunk or high or a combination of both, or are otherwise looking to cause trouble, I refuse to inject myself or my beliefs about common human decency, respect and civility. My main concern is for the well-being of those in my party. Beyond that, I give these morons a very wide berth.

FWIW, this stuff has been going on at sporting events for decades... there's nothing new here. Again, accept it or don't... either way, if you represent the opposition and wear the opposing teams' jersey, your chances of trouble finding you - or you finding trouble (it does happen that the morons are often times the idiots representing the opposing team), go way up!

 

[MigratingOsprey]

it doesn't need to be that way

it's that kind of attitude that creates ghettos

 

[82CardsGrad]

it doesn't need to be that way

it's that kind of attitude that creates ghettos

C'mon man... Go check out the "uganda" thread. I have no issues taking a stand and helping make a better situation. However, there is a right way and wrong way. There is a right time and wrong time. A sporting even is NOT the right way or the right time. You're a smart kid MO. You should be able to make this distinction...

 

[az1965]

Good question... How 'bout you go to the next away game at Philly and wear your Fitz jersey, and then ask some of the Philly faithful if they have a problem with you being in their home with your cards jersey on. Fill us in afterward will ya?

Umm... since you did not realize, let me expand on the response... that was a response in the form of a question to your post.

No, I don't have any desire to be harrassed and injured to attempt such thing. But, people like you probably will roll on the floor laughing if something like that ever happens.

 

[az1965]

I feel fairly certain that the target of the snowball attack did more than simply wear an opponent's jersey and cheer his team. Pretty sure that he did something to provoke such an attack. After all this group of three weren't the only 49ers fans in the stadium but yet they were the focal point of such an attack and others weren't...

We don't know. Couple of 49ers players were also pelted who were pushed out of bounds on the Eagles sidelines so much so that Eagles players had to wave to crowds to calm down and not to do such things.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Umm... since you did not realize, let me expand on the response... that was a response in the form of a question to your post.

No, I don't have any desire to be harrassed and injured to attempt such thing. But, people like you probably will roll on the floor laughing if something like that ever happens.

 

[az1965]

absolutely idiotic

they paid their ticket prices like anyone else - just because people get comfortable with a mob mentality and decide to act like jerks doesn't make it OK because someone dared go against the mob in a legal manner

but then again, I guess why show an ounce of basic human respect to each other

and the fact that they have done worse things doesn't make this OK .... that's like excusing shoplifting because it's done by a serial rapist

well put

 

[Fiasco]

It isn't unreasonable to expect to be able to go to a public place and not be harrassed or have stuff thrown at you.

It's just ignorant behaviour spawned by a weak assed mob mentality.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It isn't unreasonable to expect to be able to go to a public place and not be harrassed or have stuff thrown at you.

Look... if you're from Boston and you want to attend a show on Broadway in Manhattan, no problemo... I think it's unreasonable to have that same expectation when it's a sporting even, particularly a NFL game where the NFL promotes violence and does all it can to hype up the fanbase!

It's just ignorant behaviour spawned by a weak assed mob mentality.

I don't believe anyone disagrees with you here...

 

[Stevemccain]

absolutly disgusting. they are cheap!

 

[devilalum]

Didn't they crack open Santa's head with beer bottles?

 

[Osbern61]

Didn't they crack open Santa's head with beer bottles?

It's funny how two-faced Eagles fans can be on their perceived loutishness; if media brings up the Santa Claus incident or the MIchael Irvin injury, they will moan about how they are being painted by the broad brush in one sentence but then turn around and take pride in the same actions the next.

 

[D-Dogg]

Didn't they crack open Santa's head with beer bottles?

No. Here's the story on it. The Santa thought it was funny, apparently.

Santa snowball incident shrouded in myth
By Gary Mihoces, USA TODAY
PHILADELPHIA — No surprise Philadelphia fans were rough on the Eagles at 0-2. After all, they once threw snowballs at ....
Hold it. In a new book titled The Great Philadelphia Fan Book, co-authors Glen Macnow and Anthony L. Gargano contend Philly fans get a bum rap in frequent mentions about that 1968 day when they hurled snowballs at Santa Claus. Not that they didn't do it.

"No event has been used to tar-and-feather Philadelphia fans as much. And no event has been as exaggerated, misconstrued and inaccurately recalled," they write.

Macnow, a talk show host along with Gargano on WIP radio in Philadelphia, says it's all about the circumstances.

"Everybody just thinks that people pelted Santa with snow balls for no reason other than we're mean people," he says.

A crowd of 54,535 showed in a snowstorm that Dec. 15 day at Franklin Field to watch the last-place Eagles finished off a 2-12 season with a loss to Minnesota.

The book says that team owner Jerry Wolman had "dismantled a strong, proud franchise" and hired Joe Kuharich as coach and general manager. Kuharich, who inspired the "Joe Must Go" slogan, traded Hall of Fame quarterback Sonny Jurgensen to Washington for Norm Snead.

At halftime, there was supposed to be a Christmas pageant. Then there was too much snow and muck for a float to parade around the field. Instead, according to the book, a 19-year-old fan wearing a Santa suit and fake beard in the stands was recruited to jog onto the field between two columns of cheerleaders.

The authors don't deny boos were heard and that snowballs were tossed. Are they saying Santa had it coming?

"Santa had it coming for a different reason actually," says Macnow. "Santa was a surrogate that day for Joe Kuharich and Jerry Wolman and Norm Snead. The poor kid just happened to be representing the frustrations."

The authors tracked down the Santa, Frank Olivo, who now lives in Ocean City, N.J. In the book, Olivo says he has no hard feelings. "I'm a Philadelphia fan, I knew what was what. I thought it was funny," he is quoted as saying.

But Olivo recalls that when he was asked if he might want to play Santa again the next season, he balked. "No way. If it doesn't snow, they'll probably throw beer bottles."

 

[Nasser22]

I feel fairly certain that the target of the snowball attack did more than simply wear an opponent's jersey and cheer his team. Pretty sure that he did something to provoke such an attack. After all this group of three weren't the only 49ers fans in the stadium but yet they were the focal point of such an attack and others weren't...

Not necessarily..It only takes one Philly fan calling them out to start something. At the ASU-UA game, we had a Wildcat fan in our section. One guy started some chant cussing him out and then the whole section because to chant the same phrase. I'm sure if there was snow in Tempe, there would have been a similar incident just for fun...The opposing fan doesn't really have to do anything to deserve it.

 

[Shane]

I feel fairly certain that the target of the snowball attack did more than simply wear an opponent's jersey and cheer his team. Pretty sure that he did something to provoke such an attack. After all this group of three weren't the only 49ers fans in the stadium but yet they were the focal point of such an attack and others weren't...

Philly fans absolutely do not need to be provoked.

 

[TJ]

I guess this bodes the question:

which group of fans is worse: Eagles or Raiders

 

[ANDY440]

The snow is not the wet type which will hurt when made into a snowball. There is a Eagle fan standing there getting hit constantly and doesn't even bother to move,not to mention the 49er fan who lowers his jacket to show his Crabtree #15 jersey during the barrage. Not that big a deal IMO.

 

[Shane]

The snow is not the wet type which will hurt when made into a snowball. There is a Eagle fan standing there getting hit constantly and doesn't even bother to move,not to mention the 49er fan who lowers his jacket to show his Crabtree #15 jersey during the barrage. Not that big a deal IMO.

Any snow that has been sitting overnight turns into the "wet type" Just depends on how hard you pack your balls.

 

[devilalum]

No. Here's the story on it. The Santa thought it was funny, apparently.

That's right, I think they hit a ref with the bottle.