Commanders at Cardinals gameday thread 9-29-24

[DVontel]

Jacksonville, Cleveland and Miami are all kinda tough spots as well.

True.

Crazy thing about Jacksonville is that they had two number one overall draft picks back to back years & they still look like they do now.

 

[Chopper0080]

Fine Stout. I'm not going to concede Murray sucked today, but neither do I want to argue all week if Murray was average or awful.

It was a terrible, soul-crushing loss, and fair or not, the QB is always going to get a disproportionate share of the blame for day like today.

And, fair or not, a QB in the last year of his contract can't expect to be re-upped if his team is 6-11. I understand there's a universe where Murray is not our QB for the 2026 season.

Still, I have gallons and gallons of Kool Aid in the emergency "1-7" shelter man. I'm prepared to hold out for a looooog time. haha

Sucks to be us, and hope you can find something interesting to do this evening to distract you from today's super disappointing disaster!

Quick question for you. Are you not concerned that even getting beat down by 20 points, Kyler was not willing to be aggressive throwing the ball? He did not have an INT in a game they trailed 3/4s of it and by a lot. You (a QB) can be risk averse to a fault.

 

[Chopper0080]

True.

Crazy thing about Jacksonville is that they had two number one overall draft picks back to back years & they still look like they do now.

Pretty bad.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This feels like Deandre Ayton all over again.

Kinda, in that we finally get a #1 pick and a center and QB, two things that have eluded our two franchises. But the difference is that kyler tries. I don’t question his effort. Ayton was just soft.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Kinda, in that we finally get a #1 pick and a center and QB, two things that have eluded our two franchises. But the difference is that kyler tries. I don’t question his effort. Ayton was just soft.

I was more or less speaking on the fandom that followed Ayton. They would argue and argue that it was not Ayton’s fault but Monti’s, CP3, Booker etc and so forth. It almost seems like Kyler needs to go to another team so we can watch his same struggles elsewhere.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh fine, and that makes sense. I appreciate your thoughtful response.

To be honest, tonight's criticism of Murray (including yours) rises to the level where it offends my sense of fairness, but I understand it is a matter of perception, and that I'm in a tiny minority that thinks he played okay (not good, but at least average). It's probably foolish and pointless of me to try to moderate the criticism of him. Also, I am probably a little too emotionally invested in this one particular player, but it is what it is.

For the record, I think it's plausible the Cardinals part ways with Murray after next year. Maybe his skill set is does not fit MO, JG and DPs plan going forward. If Murray leaves, fine, I'll regret it some, but of course I'll be a huge fan of our shiny new rookie QB.

Still, and as unimaginable as it may sound, despite his performance today, I still think K1 can lead us to a championship some day. Or at least, win a championship some day. Perhaps just not with us.

Anyway, no hard feelings I hope. And hope you have a nice evening Ouchie.

You as well crimson!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Cardinals should be active sellers at the trade deadline.

What do we have that anyone wants???

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Is Jacksonville the only team in a worse position than us

Giants?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Miami is in the same spot as AZ. Cleveland is 2026. Jacksonville is 2029.

Any chance to swing kyler to Miami?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

What do we have that anyone wants???

Really it is just Connor and Budda

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Any chance to swing kyler to Miami?

They only have 6 million in cap space.

 

[DVontel]

Giants?

Daniel Jones stinks but they got way more talent than us imo.

 

[Chopper0080]

Any chance to swing kyler to Miami?

Not really. They don't have much flexibility in 2025 and so that would force any move to occur after the 2025 season. If Kyler is going to be moved, the Cardinals will have little leverage at that point.

 

[Chopper0080]

Las Vegas is probably the only real spot if they are good enough to be outside the top 10 and aren't in a spot to draft a QB.

 

[ajcardfan]

Jacksonville, Cleveland and Miami are all kinda tough spots as well.

I think the Browns have the bleakest future out of all four.

 

[Mainstreet]

Correct, I agree! Now tell me all the great players that this offense has that it should be some unstoppable force, I’ll wait… Oline couldn’t even hold up to what everyone on here says is a horrible defense? Basically you have JC running and MJH as threats and Kyler but they decided to feature JC and not run Kyler at all, that’s in the staff period! You have to use the talent you have not say hey let’s keep him in the pocket the whole game and take sack I mean seriously this is HS level poo they are totally screwing up!

Losing gets old, no matter the reason. Every season seems like, wait until next season. Fans need to see a ray of sunshine.

 

[Chopper0080]

Pittsburgh fits as well from a cap and record standpoint but Tomlin doesn't strike me as a Kyler guy. And again, I dont' see a viable QB option for AZ in that scenario, and MOnti/Gannon will want to keep their jobs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Daniel Jones stinks but they got way more talent than us imo.

Who?

 

[ajcardfan]

When was the last time an NFL trade was so significant it made a bad team good?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

I was more or less speaking on the fandom that followed Ayton. They would argue and argue that it was not Ayton’s fault but Monti’s, CP3, Booker etc and so forth. It almost seems like Kyler needs to go to another team so we can watch his same struggles elsewhere.

I thought it was very obvious that Ayton was a bum, I wanted him gone years ago, and I'm a big Kyler defender. I wonder what the Venn diagram is like across the fan base.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Quick question for you. Are you not concerned that even getting beat down by 20 points, Kyler was not willing to be aggressive throwing the ball? He did not have an INT in a game they trailed 3/4s of it and by a lot. You (a QB) can be risk averse to a fault.

Chopper man, I have to go back and rewatch the tape, but I honestly think the pass protection was pretty sh!ty today, and Kyler had very few clean pockets to throw from. I honestly don't think Kyler had time to look downfield very much during the game. But, I could be completely wrong.

And just like I said to Stout, I'm sure Murray left some yards/1st downs/points on the field today. He could have played better.

 

[DVontel]

Who?

Dexter Lawrence(who is literally 100x better than anyone on our defense)

Brian Burns(though he has started slow)

Andrew Thomas

Malik Nabers

 

[MrYeahBut]

Those two will want to avoid the worse three season stretch in franchise history more than getting 6th round picks.

This is a stunning statement. The worse 3 seasons of Cardinal history. The mind boggles.

 

[wagon mound 464]

Jayden and Cliff got on the plane back to DC area,,,,
with huge smiles on their faces.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Las Vegas is probably the only real spot if they are good enough to be outside the top 10 and aren't in a spot to draft a QB.

He’s destined to be a Raider.