2012 Free Agency news

[CardsFan88]

Nash himself has said, "going to Toronto would be home for me"

But in what context? Close to NY? Back to Canada as if Canada is all the same? Maybe he himself has bought the line.

What you get from quotes and the media is nothing more than spin these days. He's looking for a contract with money. He has his own reasons for perpetuating the groupthink.

Also I think he said...sort of like coming home. Maybe I'm wrong, on the exact phrasing, but I never heard him saying Toronto would be home. I believe what I said isn't too far away from that. It isn't his home, but sort of would be a return since it is Canada, and be close to his real summer home.

Here's a quote from that ESPN article posted earlier. Which is only one story of many.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...-says-staying-phoenix-suns-no-longer-home-run

"For me it'd be going home to Canada"

Which IS different than going home proper. Toronto is not somewhere in Britsh Columbia. He'd be back in Canada, but a new, different part that has never been his home. It's only home-y because it is in Canada.

edit: though it does seem like it might also make sense to make it a new home for him, seeing how he just became the general manager of Canada Basketball, and has business interests there. So it could probably become like home pretty quickly for him.

 

[SweetD]

Nash himself has said, "going to Toronto would be home for me"

I think EVERY Free Agent wants to go to any opportunity and would "Feel like home"

 

[MakeItNashty]

But in what context? Close to NY? Back to Canada as if Canada is all the same? Maybe he himself has bought the line.

What you get from quotes and the media is nothing more than spin these days. He's looking for a contract with money. He has his own reasons for perpetuating the groupthink.

Also I think he said...sort of like coming home. Maybe I'm wrong, on the exact phrasing, but I never heard him saying Toronto would be home. I believe what I said isn't too far away from that. It isn't his home, but sort of would be a return since it is Canada, and be close to his real summer home.

Here's a quote from that ESPN article posted earlier. Which is only one story of many.


Which IS different than going home proper. Toronto is not somewhere in Britsh Columbia. He'd be back in Canada, but a new, different part that has never been his home. It's only home-y because it is in Canada.

edit: though it does seem like it might also make sense to make it a new home for him, seeing how he just became the general manager of Canada Basketball, and has business interests there. So it could probably become like home pretty quickly for him.

"There's positives to every situation," Nash said. "The Raptors would be one of those teams where you're probably not going there to win a championship in the next three years. For me it'd be going home to Canada, to a great city, and trying to help an organization move forward.


^^Got it right from that link you posted.

 

[CardsFan88]

"There's positives to every situation," Nash said. "The Raptors would be one of those teams where you're probably not going there to win a championship in the next three years. For me it'd be going home to Canada, to a great city, and trying to help an organization move forward.


^^Got it right from that link you posted.

But you said this

"going to Toronto would be home for me"

Not a biggie overall but that one word changes the entire meaning of the message.

I thought the better portion of my post that contained all of this part of the discussion was to sign people to higher priced 1 year deals to

a) show me contract to a few players should yield one that works out
b) trade for picks the other/or any of these contracts since expiring
c) keep powder dry for future free agent classes

 

[Mainstreet]

There is more exploration of who the Suns are looking at in free agency from a Paul Coro blog dated 7-1-12 at azcentral. See link below. It is apparent the Suns are not in a waiting game for Nash to make a decision in free agency. Part of it reads as follows:

Nash's price tag could tie up most of the Suns' salary cap space. The Suns are prepared to use the available space elsewhere with President of Basketball Operations Lon Babby, General Manager Lance Blanks and Coach Alvin Gentry meeting unrestricted free agent Michael Beasley today in Los Angeles and restricted free agent Eric Gordon in Phoenix on Tuesday.

Beasley, the former No. 2 pick in the 2008 draft, was considered a surefire talent coming out of Kansas State but was an inconsistent, oft-injured reserve small forward last season, averaging a career-low 11.5 points and 4.4 rebounds for Minnesota. He is a popular teammate but gets character questions, especially after a marijuana arrest a year ago, an incident at the rookie transition program in 2008 and reports that Miami pushed him to enter a rehabilitation center in 2009. Surely, part of the Suns' visit is to better contemplate Beasley's fit in Phoenix, where the player support staff has been expanded in the past year.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/165584

It seems Beasley is getting strong consideration.

 

[SirStefan32]

Also looks like Suns might be intrested in Landry Fields also.

Marc Berman: Phoenix can sign Landry without sign and trade. #Knicks must give worthwhile piece to make Suns want to do something unless it is a favor. http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html

I'd be happy with Fields. Still developing, but very promising- exactly the type we should be looking for.

 

[MakeItNashty]

Isn't Fields a RFA? Plus NY has his bird rights so the Knicks can match any offer for Fields without it hitting the cap.

Suns can't sign Landry unless its a sign and trade imo cause I think NY will match...they love him in NY.

 

[CardsFan88]

There is more exploration of who the Suns are looking at in free agency from a Paul Coro blog dated 7-1-12 at azcentral. See link below. It is apparent the Suns are not in a waiting game for Nash to make a decision in free agency. Part of it reads as follows:



http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/165584

It seems Beasley is getting strong consideration.

It makes me wonder whether or not they are trying to have similar plans in most respects with regards to whether or not we keep Nash or not.

One could say that signing Gordon or Beasley would be part of a fresh start, but one could also say that it may double as an attempt to show Nash that we are improving.

Signing Nash first precludes us from signing others. But signing others first doesn't preclude us from re-signing Nash.

Looks like to me their plan is to cover all their bases, but not in a way to score enough runs to win.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

The odd part about a whole sign-and-trade nash deal is that, yes id love to get draft picks and a promising player in return but id rather see nash have success elsewhere. I dont want to be rooting against nash so the draft pick we recieve is higher.

 

[CardsFan88]

The odd part about a whole sign-and-trade nash deal is that, yes id love to get draft picks and a promising player in return but id rather see nash have success elsewhere. I dont want to be rooting against nash so the draft pick we recieve is higher.

Well you don't have to. If this were to occur, you could root for Nash, and if the team he is on fails, then we get a better pick and if in the lottery a chance/more balls in the drawing. There is nowhere stating you have to root for the team that you own a first round pick to suck to get a better pick. Sometimes a spot or three makes a huge difference. Sometimes it doesn't. There is no guarantee the difference in picking would mean we get a different player. It's definitely possible, but not a guarantee.

Generally people do root against, but no one is going to say you are not a Suns fan for not doing that. If others are doing it, it doesn't mean you have to. I think it would reflect badly on someone for putting your feet to the fire on that. Seeing how it's Nash, I think alot of people would be in the same boat as you.

Even then, if someone DID root against them, if he made it to the playoffs, he has his shot at a title. You just need to get in to have it. Granted the teams that host a 1st round matchup have historically done better, but if he goes to Toronto, I don't think he can make that team a top 4 team in one season. Though it would be the east so stranger things can happen.

Instead of looking at it as something that might tempt you to root against a player you love, you could see it as win/win scenario. Either way the most important thing for the Suns is that they have an additional pick and thus an additional chance to get another piece of the puzzle or ammo to move up to get a better one.

Either way, whether Nash gets a higher seeding, or we get a slightly higher draft pick, it doesn't make it a real big difference most of the time, the die will be cast either way, and fans rooting from home for something to happen one way or the other doesn't actually change what happens.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nash has reportedly been offered a 3 year, 36M dollar deal by Toronto.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...-offer-steve-nash-3-year-36m-deal-sources-say

 

[MakeItNashty]

Hibbert - max
Batum - $12M
Dragic - $10M
Asik - $8M
32 year old Wallace - $10M
40 year old Garnett - $11M
38 year old Nash - $12 M

If the Suns are smart with their money this off season and don't overpay like all the other teams, we will be able to trade for these bad contracts later and make those teams give up major assets.

 

[SunsTzu]

Hibbert - max
Batum - $12M
Dragic - $10M
Asik - $8M
32 year old Wallace - $10M
40 year old Garnett - $11M
38 year old Nash - $12 M

If the Suns are smart with their money this off season and don't overpay like all the other teams, we will be able to trade for these bad contracts later and make those teams give up major assets.

Do you really think it's a good idea to create a new account after getting banned, then repeating the same post you put on other message boards under the same user name that was just banned here?

 

[95pro]

Hibbert - max
Batum - $12M
Dragic - $10M
Asik - $8M
32 year old Wallace - $10M
40 year old Garnett - $11M
38 year old Nash - $12 M

If the Suns are smart with their money this off season and don't overpay like all the other teams, we will be able to trade for these bad contracts later and make those teams give up major assets.

Didn't you want Gordon so bad?

 

[MakeItNashty]

Didn't you want Gordon so bad?

Not "so bad"

He has some injury problems, but yea wouldn't mind him here. I prefer Mayo though. But def don't wanna overpay for him either.

 

[MakeItNashty]

Nevermind, Asik actually got more than $8 million.

Adrian Woj: As a restricted free agent, the Bulls will have three days to match Asik offer sheet after it's signed on July 11th. Via Twitter

 

[Mainstreet]

Not to get off topic too much but does anyone know what happened to Andrew?

 

[elindholm]

Dragic can "want" $10 million, but anyone who gives it to him is insane. Third-tier free agents don't have the privilege of simply naming their price.

 

[SweetD]

Dragic can "want" $10 million, but anyone who gives it to him is insane. Third-tier free agents don't have the privilege of simply naming their price.

I agree and there is a good Free Agency group of PG this year.

 

[SweetD]

Nevermind, Asik actually got more than $8 million.

3 Years $25.1 Million (5Million, 5.2Million and 15Million) Poison bill deal. Stupid move by the Rockets in my opinion.

 

[Folster]

If the Suns can't nab one of their main targets at a decent price, the best thing for them to do is to sit back and watch everyone spend. Babby has given a lot of lip service to not making brash decisions in free agency and strategically maneuvering within the new CBA. There are too many teams with cap space this summer especially in light of the amnesty that overspending is guaranteed. Let all the teams blow their wad this offseason on average talent, and maybe the Suns can be one of a few teams next year with cap space, not to mention the ability to manipulate those who put themselves in cap hell.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If the Suns can't nab one of their main targets at a decent price, the best thing for them to do is to sit back and watch everyone spend. Babby has given a lot of lip service to not making brash decisions in free agency and strategically maneuvering within the new CBA. There are too many teams with cap space this summer especially in light of the amnesty that overspending is guaranteed. Let all the teams blow their wad this offseason on average talent, and maybe the Suns can be one of a few teams next year with cap space, not to mention the ability to manipulate those who put themselves in cap hell.

Yep, especially with the new penalties on going over the cap, you need to make sure very signing is a good one. I really hope our FO has the prudence to avoid free agent mania.

 

[SweetD]

Lavoy Allen signed a two-year, $6 million contract with the Philadelphia 76ers on Sunday, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports

 

[SunsTzu]

If the Suns can't nab one of their main targets at a decent price, the best thing for them to do is to sit back and watch everyone spend. Babby has given a lot of lip service to not making brash decisions in free agency and strategically maneuvering within the new CBA. There are too many teams with cap space this summer especially in light of the amnesty that overspending is guaranteed. Let all the teams blow their wad this offseason on average talent, and maybe the Suns can be one of a few teams next year with cap space, not to mention the ability to manipulate those who put themselves in cap hell.

They did it last year, hopefully the Suns will keep patient and not feel desperate to spend.

 

[SunsTzu]

Lavoy Allen signed a two-year, $6 million contract with the Philadelphia 76ers on Sunday, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports

Too bad, I liked him as a cheap pick up. Daniel Orton would be a nice young/cheap big to pick up as well.