2012 Free Agency news

[slinslin]

STATS!

Take that, slinslin.

lol that article is from january 2012..

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pl...vs-Steve-Nash|101162,959;year=201112;season=r

Nash on bench 47%FG
Nash on the floor 57%FG

Please try harder than bringing up dumb fan articles that are outdated even.

When Nash wasn't on the floor Gortat shot 10% worse, got 2 rebounds less per 36, got almost just half as many FTA.

When Nash was on the floor Gortat took ~350 shots under the rim, 190 short jumpers and 130 midrange jumpers.

When Nash was on the bench Gortat took 42 shots under the rim, 38 short jumpers and 18 midrage jumpers.

 

[carey]

I guess it's actually happening. This should probably rule out Dwight going there no? It's being reported that they still have their 1st round picks though. Let this trade put an end to the notion of the untradeable contract.

@Chris_Broussard: Sources confirm Hawks and Nets have agreed to terms on deal to send Joe Johnson to Nets. Deal contingent on Deron Williams staying w/Nets

Edit: Looks like at least 1 first rounder will go.

@WojYahooNBA: To clarify, Nets won't send their own future 1st to Atlanta, but as @daldridgetnt reports, they'll ship '13 protected pick via Houston.

 

[slinslin]

C - Lopez
PF - ??
SF - Wallace/Green
SG - Johnson/Brooks
PG - Williams/Kidd

Thats good enough to get to the playoffs for the Nets. Do they still hold the rights to re-sign Humphries?

 

[carey]

C - Lopez
PF - ??
SF - Wallace
SG - Johnson
PG - Williams

Thats good enough to get to the playoffs for the Nets. Do they still hold the rights to re-sign Humphries?

They do. I'm looking at the salaries now, and even with the players going out in the trade and $19.7M coming in, the remaining cap holds, etc, I think they can sign Deron Williams without having to renounce his rights.

 

[Chaplin]

Looks like Devin Harris is going to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

 

[Covert Rain]

lol that article is from january 2012..

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Marcin-Gortat-vs-Steve-Nash|101162,959;year=201112;season=r

Nash on bench 47%FG
Nash on the floor 57%FG

Please try harder than bringing up dumb fan articles that are outdated even.

When Nash wasn't on the floor Gortat shot 10% worse, got 2 rebounds less per 36, got almost just half as many FTA.

When Nash was on the floor Gortat took ~350 shots under the rim, 190 short jumpers and 130 midrange jumpers.

When Nash was on the bench Gortat took 42 shots under the rim, 38 short jumpers and 18 midrage jumpers.

Sorry dude. I gotta call you out every time you make an assassin argument. Gortat's numbers in the paint are good considering the Suns have him shooting jumpers left and right.

According to you Gortat's entire world revolves around Nash. 10% reduction is not bad one bit. When Nash is out I didn't really see them go to Gortat anymore on the block. Meaning that he probably didn't have any easy hoops because nobody else on the team is Nash. I think that stat would have been more telling if they ran the ball through Gortat when Nash was out and that was the result.

Are you seriously going to sit here and say 2 less rebounds per 36 was a direct result of Nash not being on the floor....really?

According to you numbers he took a total of 350 under the rim and 320 jumpers. Jumpers by the way Nash can't just WILL IN using his jedi mind power.

Nash averaged 10.7 assists per game. So unless your trying to still sell that all of Nash's assists all go to Gortat.....I still aint buying it.

 

[Mainstreet]

Looks like Devin Harris is going to Atlanta for Marvin Williams.

It's sad to see a once lesser franchise like the Hawks with questionable ownership (at the time of the Joe Johnson trade) surpass the Suns brain trust going forward. They were even able to move Joe Johnson's exorbitant contract extension after altering course.

 

[SunsTzu]

It's sad to see a once lesser franchise like the Hawks with questionable ownership (at the time of the Joe Johnson trade) surpass the Suns brain trust going forward. They were even able to move Joe Johnson's exorbitant contract extension after altering course.

Yeah. The Suns should have maxed out Amare 2 years ago, then they would look like geniuses right now trading him for Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro and be 1 year away from the cap situation they are currently in.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah. The Suns should have maxed out Amare 2 years ago, then they would look like geniuses right now trading him for Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro and be 1 year away from the cap situation they are currently in.

I'm not totally sure what you are trying to say here. No one is suggesting (at least not me) that the Suns should have maxed out Amare but it is nice to see another FO able to maneuver even when it makes a mistake.

 

[SunsTzu]

but it is nice to see another FO able to maneuver even when it makes a mistake.

Like trading Hedo for Gortat?

The current front office regime hasn't won me over by any means but people seem to think that they should be aggressive right now and making a bunch of moves. I disagree with that notion. The Suns don't have any major mistakes to undo at this point(Warrick is expiring, and they've kept their amnesty in case they need to use it on Childress).

From my perspective the key for the Suns right now isn't making big moves to correct past mistakes, but to be patient and not make major moves creating new mistakes.

 

[KloD]

Like trading Hedo for Gortat?

The current front office regime hasn't won me over by any means but people seem to think that they should be aggressive right now and making a bunch of moves. I disagree with that notion. The Suns don't have any major mistakes to undo at this point(Warrick is expiring, and they've kept their amnesty in case they need to use it on Childress).

From my perspective the key for the Suns right now isn't making big moves to correct past mistakes, but to be patient and not make major moves creating new mistakes.

Amen.

 

[Mainstreet]

Like trading Hedo for Gortat?

The current front office regime hasn't won me over by any means but people seem to think that they should be aggressive right now and making a bunch of moves. I disagree with that notion. The Suns don't have any major mistakes to undo at this point(Warrick is expiring, and they've kept their amnesty in case they need to use it on Childress).

From my perspective the key for the Suns right now isn't making big moves to correct past mistakes, but to be patient and not make major moves creating new mistakes.

I'm not pushing the Suns to make any particular moves because I am not sure what they are trying to do. Babby speaks a good game but I have not seen the fruit of his labor. Maybe they have some brilliant plan when implemented but I have not seen the light as yet.

Trading Hedo for Gortat was a good trade but trading Dragic and a first round pick for Brooks looks bad at the moment. The Suns FO has yet to prove to me that they can negotiate with the better GMs and compete. This goes on the way back to Steve Kerr. Every GM makes mistakes but being able to correct them is the litmus test.

 

[SunsTzu]

I'm not pushing the Suns to make any particular moves because I am not sure what they are trying to do.

You said the Hawks are better managed than the Suns, and they may be but I don't see how you can come to that conclusion off what's transpired thus far in the offseason. The Suns didn't have the opportunity to undo a mistake the magnitude of trading JJ because they don't have a similar mistake to undo(which is why I brought up Amare).

The Suns made the right moves last year by signing low risk players to short deals and should continue that this year. If they spend big and long on mediocrity this year then I'll agree that the Hawks and pretty much all other front offices are better than the Suns.

 

[Mainstreet]

You said the Hawks are better managed than the Suns, and they may be but I don't see how you can come to that conclusion off what's transpired thus far in the offseason. The Suns didn't have the opportunity to undo a mistake the magnitude of trading JJ because they don't have a similar mistake to undo(which is why I brought up Amare).

The Suns made the right moves last year by signing low risk players to short deals and should continue that this year. If they spend big and long on mediocrity this year then I'll agree that the Hawks and pretty much all other front offices are better than the Suns.

If you read my post again you will see I was referring to the Suns FO since the Suns traded Joe Johnson. Perhaps we look at it differently because I am looking at the Suns FO in a cumulative fashion and you are looking at the Suns since the arrival of Lon Babby. I think we can both agree the Suns have had a slide in recent years into mediocrity.

 

[Folster]

Danny Ferry just did to the Nets what other GM's did to him while he was GM of the Cavs and desperate to sign Lebron.

 

[Mainstreet]

Danny Ferry just did to the Nets what other GM's did to him while he was GM of the Cavs and desperate to sign Lebron.

The link below at ESPN notes how Atlanta Danny Ferry general manager shrewdly moved Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams to become FA players again and move two costly contracts.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...e-trade-atlanta-hawks-joe-johnson-sources-say

 

[JCSunsfan]

Wow. I know its already been mentioned but Atlanta just unloaded Joe Johnson and maybe the worst contract in the league right now and got back expirings AND a 1st? Unbelievable.

 

[Chaplin]

Looks like Dragic is definitely not going back to Houston.

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
RT @Jonathan_Feigen: Sides so far apart on [Dragic] contract, meeting yesterday ended w/ thanks and good luck kind of exchange.

 

[Folster]

Another name

https://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA Terrence Williams has received interest from the Sacramento Kings, Detroit Pistons and Phoenix Suns: http://tinyurl.com/7hajg3m

http://t.co/4TGueY9g

 

[Mainstreet]

Looks like Dragic is definitely not going back to Houston.

Just a guess but it sounds like Houston may be keeping Lowry and Dragic comes off the bench. I'm sure Dragic wants to be the starting PG and Phoenix, from all indications concerning Nash, can offer him this. I can see Dragic wants to be paid like a starter.

 

[elindholm]

Any team that gives Dragic a big contract to install him as their PGOF is making a big mistake. I sure hope that isn't the Suns.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Another name

[URL="http://t.co/4TGueY9g"]

Would definitely take a flier on him.

 

[jagu]

Landry Fields agrees to a 3-year $20M backloaded offer sheet so that pretty much takes the Knicks out of the picture. Steve Nash is probably headed to Toronto or Brooklyn.

 

[asuhoopsnut]

Landry Fields agrees to a 3-year $20M backloaded offer sheet so that pretty much takes the Knicks out of the picture. Steve Nash is probably headed to Toronto or Brooklyn.

Not necessarily. The Knicks could still offer a sign and trade with either Iman Shumpert and/or Jeremy Lin and other pieces.

 

[SweetD]

I thought it was NY but looks like it is the Raptors making the offer to Fields.

Alex Kennedy: It sounds like Landry Fields' new deal would pay him $5 million in year one, $5.2 million in year two and $9.8 in year three.