2020 Arizona Cardinals training camp

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You haven't been listening them. Paul Calvisi named Edmunds as one of the 3 best in camp for him so far.

But the point is, nobody needs to mention Edmonds or Fitz, they have proved the belong.

Coaches and media guys are looking at Butler for him to show he belongs, and they are looking hard, and the fact nobody has mentioned a word about him says that he hasn't impressed anyone.

And I really want Butler to succeed. I'm a far of big rangy receivers that can dominate DB's and had high hopes for Butler. Which was I had my hands cupped round my ears listening for any little word about how he is doing and not a peep. Every receiver EXCEPT him has gotten praise. Even that JAG we signed that was with the Chargers.

Butler is a ghost.

You and Solar are funny, you took a sarcastic post seriously lol

 

[BritCard]

If Butler doesn't make the roster, I don't believe they will keep 7 WRs. If Ward and Dixon were showing enough that they were gonna force the Cards to release their 4th round pick from a year ago, I believe we would be hearing more about it.Far more likely they would instead keep a player at another position.

I think they keep 7 only if one of them is a specialist, like they did last year. Which is why I put Ward and Dixon on at the end as one of them might earn a spot as a returner, Ward has never done it before but Dixon has done it and was a good gunner in college.

I'm not feeling Isabella as a returner. It's not just the speed, you got to be prepared to be murdered by a 250 linebacker running right at you and I didn't see that in his limited snaps there.

Either way I don't see Butler making it. What does he add they don't seem to be getting in more abundance from Dan Arnold? Apart from apathy and seeming lack of interest.

 

[BritCard]

You and Solar are funny, you took a sarcastic post seriously lol

Sarcasm always doesn't come across great when written. It's why they invented this emoji.

 

[Solar7]

You and Solar are funny, you took a sarcastic post seriously lol

I mean, I got the sarcasm, I just didn't think Edmonds was a very good example to use as a joke, haha. Maybe if you had used Hicks.

 

[blindseyed]

I mean, I got the sarcasm, I just didn't think Edmonds was a very good example to use as a joke, haha. Maybe if you had used Hicks.

Haha ok HICKS..where is he??? Lol

 

[SoonerLou]

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[JeffGollin]

I joked about his hands above but that's not the issue. Its his instincts to get in position to get his hands on the ball and to some extent his willingness to go up in traffic and get it.

Which is ironic seeing his instincts in the ground game and willingness to put his body on the like are superb.

The Giants game sticks out to me. If you recall the TD by the 3rd string TE. It was practically thrown at Budda but he just watched it into the TEs hands.

It might be a mistake to base next year's production on last year's numbers.

Lots of commentary suggests that, with a bunch of new defensive players, VJ may roll out a a very different looking defense from last year's - individual roles may vary, along with how each player fills those role.

Heck! Just visualizing the various ways Simmons may or may not be utilized makes my brain hurt.

Note - Just day-dreaming, but imagine how differently the dominos might fall throughout the defense if we were to sign Earl Thomas and put him next to Budda.

 

[TaylorSwift]

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He is going to have to learn how to attack the football in the air or he will look like Ted Ginn jr for his career

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Nowhere. The fact that literally nobody has mentioned him speaks volumes. Especially as he is coming back off an injury and is a "new" addition to the offense. Not a single coach or media guy has brought him up once. Yet guys like JoJo Ward and Johnny Dixon are getting mentions over him. Dan Arnold is almost certainly going to take his role.

The camp talk about him last year was poor, the fact we haven't even had a token "looks better", "come back stronger" or "he's working hard" about him says it all.

There was, quite literally, a video of him catching a nice TD, just the other day. Must have missed it.

 

[juza76]

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I never see him make a clean catch with his hands
Also in the video he didn't jump to get the ball just waited it goes down and use the chest to control it
Meanwhile butler can do it, just give him a chance

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

Kyle Odegard
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Kingsbury said they are being overly cautious with WR DeAndre Hopkins and RB Kenyan Drake. Doesn’t want them practicing until they are 100 percent

 

[TaylorSwift]

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Sounds like Kliff and Kyler have big plans for the Dan the Man

 

[SoonerLou]

I never see him make a clean catch with his hands
Also in the video he didn't jump to get the ball just waited it goes down and use the chest to control it
Meanwhile butler can do it, just give him a chance

TBF some coaches prefer a WR show "late hands". Helps keep DBs from making a play on the ball as the WR is able to time when to catch it. Especially when the DB is trailing.

 

[Chopper0080]

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Sounds like Kliff and Kyler have big plans for the Dan the Man

There is a world where Dan Arnold and Maxx Williams switch roles in terms of volume of snaps and it isn't too far from likely.

Kingsbury likes 10 personnel, and if he feels like he is getting 10 personnel production out of 11 personnel positioning by having Dan Arnold get more snaps...you have to think he is going to go that route.

 

[MadCardDisease]

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Another body catch. The Camp reports seem to say he has been better at using his hands more. I guess we shall see but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[DVontel]

I never see him make a clean catch with his hands
Also in the video he didn't jump to get the ball just waited it goes down and use the chest to control it
Meanwhile butler can do it, just give him a chance

One of Butler’s weaknesses in college were his hands.

Also, Andy got opened in that vid. That won’t happen with Hakeem.

 

[DVontel]

There is a world where Dan Arnold and Maxx Williams switch roles in terms of volume of snaps and it isn't too far from likely.

Kingsbury likes 10 personnel, and if he feels like he is getting 10 personnel production out of 11 personnel positioning by having Dan Arnold get more snaps...you have to think he is going to go that route.

I think Kingsbury likes being unpredictable more than anything, tbh.

I wouldn’t be shocked if we seen mostly 10-11 personnel one game, then 12 personnel another.

 

[juza76]

One of Butler’s weaknesses in college were his hands.

I know he doesn't have great hands but at least he try to use them
I understand sometimes it's better not jumping for the ball but I just noted how Isabella used his chest to control the football, obviously he does not trust his hands

 

[BritCard]

I know he doesn't have great hands but at least he try to use them
I understand sometimes it's better not jumping for the ball but I just noted how Isabella used his chest to control the football, obviously he does not trust his hands

Maybe it's just me but I feel like most WRs would catch a throw coming over their shoulder like that in a similar way no?

 

[Dr. Jones]

He is going to have to learn how to attack the football in the air or he will look like Ted Ginn jr for his career

I never see him make a clean catch with his hands
Also in the video he didn't jump to get the ball just waited it goes down and use the chest to control it
Meanwhile butler can do it, just give him a chance

Couple things,

I have seen Andy do this many times. he seems to almost box out the CB as he then uses the space to allow the ball to drop in the bucket for the catch. Not sure if it is a long term way to go but he has been successful with it in the past.

If you can remember back to last pre-season, he cause a long TD with a similar motion.

Also...... that ball was under-thrown. Andy throttled down a bit which allowed the CB to catch up in the first place.

Not sure if he will ever be the guy to jump up and attack a ball like that over a CB. My guess is that he will be catching it like that on deep balls forever. I would be more worried if it was a cross, slant or post.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Maybe it's just me but I feel like most WRs would catch a throw coming over their shoulder like that in a similar way no?

Its not just you. I felt the same way.

 

[juza76]

Maybe it's just me but I feel like most WRs would catch a throw coming over their shoulder like that in a similar way no?

Its not just you. I felt the same way.

In the video, he beat the cb with speed and he had enough gap to catch the ball in that way, but if the cb is better then our number 39 he has to attack it
My concern from what I saw about him is I never seen him making a clean hands catch on long throws

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Do we still get the yardage and TD if he caught it in his cradle?

I don't think this is a particularity good highlight to determine whether Andy has made progress or not. The way this ball was thrown, he had to slow down, use his body to box out the defender, and let the ball drop in. Looked good to me.

 

[BritCard]

In the video, he beat the cb with speed and he had enough gap to catch the ball in that way, but if the cb is better then our number 39 he has to attack it
My concern from what I saw about him is I never seen him making a clean hands catch on long throws

Probably not going to see many long throws to Isabella where a CB can keep pace with him and he has to do that. But I take your point.

I seem to recall his lone TD vs the Niners was a hand catch over head?

Anyway I can't recall where but I did see some media guy somewhere comment his hands were much better.

I don't think it really matters. If he catches 25 balls all year I'll be surprised.