2020 Arizona Cardinals training camp

[Cardsfaninlouky]

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He played well against the run the last 4-5 games of the season. He was either making tackles or assisting. I think this kid has a very high ceiling.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Wasn't the problem an inconsistent motor?

What I read about him is this. It looked like he took plays off & was inconsistent because of the defensive scheme he played in at Utah. He was asked to mainly be a space eater & take on blockers, rather than just go make tackles. I have no idea really but that's one of the things I read about him.

 

[BritCard]

Butlers problem seems to be work rate and attitude.

You want to see your rookies come back in year 2 looking bigger, faster, stronger. Butler looks the same as last year, if anything he might be skinnier.

You can see the work Isabella has been putting in. Butler looks like he been playing X Box the last 6 months.

In the limited camp video I have seen of him he looks lackluster. Not seeing any energy or drive from him at all.

Might well be the Nkemdiche of wide receivers. Which is why he fell to round 4.

 

[JeffGollin]

Wasted dollars from last year...Kyler's rookie season.

Robert Alford - 6 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 4.95 mil
Terrell Suggs - 7 mil
Darius Philon - 5 mil
DJ Swearinger - 4 mil

If you are counting...that is 26.95 mil wasted last year. 3 of those 5 are no longer on the roster and only two have actually played regular season snaps with the team, and they aren't the two still on our roster.

Now we are on Kyler's second season

Robert Alford - 7.5 mil
Marcus Gilbert - 1 mil

Now we are at 8.5 wasted when we should be maximizing our time with Kyler on a rookie deal. 8.5 mil buys dudes. And 35.45 mil on a roster still needing talent is almost inexcusable.

I don't mean to be "yeah but"; but I can't help but wonder whether every NFL team doesn't have some kind of "short list" of wasted dollars.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yes
1Murray
2a Murphy
2b Isabella
3 Zach Allen
4 Hakeem Butler

OK, it's pretty common to waste a medium pick on a player, it's a pity we couldn't watch him playing a single snap, I thought he could be a red zone weapon

Sad Thing is Keim could've easily done this:

1Murray
2a Murphy
2b DK Metcalf
3 Zach Allen
4 Andy Isabella

Our WR crew would then be: Hopkins-Fitz-Metcalf.

 

[CardNots]

He was asked to mainly be a space eater & take on blockers, rather than just go make tackles. I have no idea really but that's one of the things I read about him.

This stuck in my head as well.

 

[Ronin]

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[Solar7]

Sad Thing is Keim could've easily done this:

1Murray
2a Murphy
2b DK Metcalf
3 Zach Allen
4 Andy Isabella

Our WR crew would then be: Hopkins-Fitz-Metcalf.

I would guess that if we drafted DK Metcalf last year and he had a season with us like he did the Seahawks, we wouldn't have been trading for a WR. Might have to count our blessings on this one.

 

[Chopper0080]

Not sure how you blame Keim for Philon. Guy had no background issues prior to his professional career or with the Chargers.

In a follow up post in this thread I did state that I agree it seemed to come out of nowhere with Philon. In my experience incidents like that are not normally single instance events so I tend to believe we may have not done the due diligence needed.

Again, in a vacuum, it was not a terrible move. With Keim's history it plays like another failed move in a long line of failed moves.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't mean to be "yeah but"; but I can't help but wonder whether every NFL team doesn't have some kind of "short list" of wasted dollars.

35.45 mil between 5 players netted us a combined 17 games. Every NFL team does not have that.

 

[blindseyed]

Isn't this a training camp thread not a "Keim-sux-no-he-doesn't" thread?

 

[Chopper0080]

Isn't this a training camp thread not a "Keim-sux-no-he-doesn't" thread?

Well...seeing as this germinated from the Robert Alford injury...I guess it is both.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Proximo]

Sad Thing is Keim could've easily done this:

1Murray
2a Murphy
2b DK Metcalf
3 Zach Allen
4 Andy Isabella

Our WR crew would then be: Hopkins-Fitz-Metcalf.

Not sure if Isabella would have been there in the 4th but he might have been.

I have to admit I would not have taken Metcalf in the second, I thought he was just a workout warrior that would likely not produce. Guess I was wrong, but it is hard for me to be critical of Keim for passing on him.

 

[SoonerLou]

Sad Thing is Keim could've easily done this:

1Murray
2a Murphy
2b DK Metcalf
3 Zach Allen
4 Andy Isabella

Our WR crew would then be: Hopkins-Fitz-Metcalf.

I tend to think Isabella wouldnt have lasted to the 4th round.

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I think the Patriots were targeting him (double dip at WR)

I sometimes wonder if Keim took Isabella first and hoped to take Metcalf at the top of the 3rd. Guess we'll never know.

I think Murphy over AJ Brown and McCoy will be more talked about if his play doesnt improve.

I would guess that if we drafted DK Metcalf last year and he had a season with us like he did the Seahawks, we wouldn't have been trading for a WR. Might have to count our blessings on this one.

Not so sure. Metcalf is so raw that even if he was our 2nd best WR last year I think they would have traded for Hopkins. Russell Wilson's experience helped speed up his development imo.

 

[SoonerLou]

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Not sure if Isabella would have been there in the 4th but he might have been.

I have to admit I would not have taken Metcalf in the second, I thought he was just a workout warrior that would likely not produce. Guess I was wrong, but it is hard for me to be critical of Keim for passing on him.

Like I said earlier I think the Murphy over AJ Brown (maybe even Deebo Samuel) will get more attention if Murphy doesnt prove to be a legit #2 (#1?) corner.

D.K Metcalf will be a really good #2. Brown and maybe Deebo have legit #1 potential.

Not that we need a #1 with Hopkins here, but still.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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Like I said earlier I think the Murphy over AJ Brown (maybe even Deebo Samuel) will get more attention if Murphy doesnt prove to be a legit #2 (#1?) corner.

D.K Metcalf will be a really good #2. Brown and maybe Deebo have legit #1 potential.

Not that we need a #1 with Hopkins here, but still.

His new number indicates the amount of catches he will have this season.

 

[juza76]

His new number indicates the amount of catches he will have this season.

17 with 30 yards average
Total 510yards 5tds

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

17 with 30 yards average
Total 510yards 5tds

Now, that is opTIMism.

 

[juza76]

Now, that is opTIMism.

I wanna be @Jetstream Green

 

[SoonerLou]

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That video at the end and the one I just posted it seems like Kyler has more of a RB frame (smaller one obviously, but still)

Last year he looked more like Julian Edelman

 

[Jetstream Green]

I wanna be @Jetstream Green

They call me 'TIM' as in opTIMism

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[BritCard]

35.45 mil between 5 players netted us a combined 17 games. Every NFL team does not have that.

I don't blame Keim for Philon or Alford. Both have talent and no injury history to be concerned about.

But he does has a tendency to sign injury prone players that then unsurprisingly get injured a lot.

Gilbert was a crazy signing. Jordan Hicks is due a major injury this year. His record is one year on, one year off. Max Garcia is another recent one. Signed him off an ACL then missed all last season.

Max Williams has worked out ok in one season so far but has a long injury history. Same with Justin Pugh. We got mostly lucky there so far but was a big risk at signing.

And let's not mention Sam Bradford.

And then there the just plain dumb stuff like the Crabtree signing last season.

I get that when you are not a top team you have to take some calculated risks, but Keim takes too many, and we have not been a top team because we are always carrying too much dead cap because of the bad signings.

Quit it with the Greg Little, Kevin White, Micheal Crabtree type signings. There is a reason nobody else wants them. And it's worth the shot on the young talented guys like Pugh and Hicks that have a injury history but not the low talent guys like the Garcia's or way past it like the Gilbert's.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I have to admit I would not have taken Metcalf in the second, I thought he was just a workout warrior that would likely not produce. Guess I was wrong, but it is hard for me to be critical of Keim for passing on him.

I'm not sure you were wrong yet. His injury history could be a problem. I didn't want him either.

But he is tearing up training camp right now from what I am hearing, so who knows.